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    #21952753 - 07/16/15 04:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

My novo's are getting pretty big. The largest one has 2 leaves about 1.5" long. They are about 2 months old. I am curious if anyone has any insights as to whether or not I can remove the humidity bags I've put over the pots yet.
I live in the desert, but the humidity in my house is usually around 30% according to my digital hygrometer. Every time I've removed the bag for a day in the past, the leaves have started to curl.
Should I just leave them for a couple days with the leaves curling? I'm scared of damaging these guys!


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Re: Novogranatense [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21952844 - 07/16/15 05:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

First off, since you have multiple plants, just experiment with one to begin with. It would be horrible to decide to remove tents off all of them just to have them all die at once.

If you are ready to try to wean them off humidity, why don't you just try poking a tiny hole or something in the tent (just one plant first, as an experiment) once a day to drop the humidity slowly....

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Re: Novogranatense [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #21953901 - 07/16/15 09:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Sure! :smile:



Sorry if they aren't the greatest quality... I usually take pics from my gf's phone, but she's not here.

So, that's my biggest one. It's about 7" tall, and I planted it May 25th. It's quite a beautiful plant! I have 9 total. I gave 3 away to friends, and probably a couple more at some point!

I think I will poke some holes and see how that works. I tried opening one up at the base where it's rubberbanded, but they don't seem to like it :frown:

Maybe I am babying them too much! Lol

I gave them mycorrhizae and kelp, but they've only needed one watering since I planted them. The bag seems to keep the soil moist. I'm hoping the mycorrhizae protect against some common problems such as root rot and damping off.


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Re: Novogranatense [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21954119 - 07/16/15 10:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

E. Novo seem to require some really odd conditions to grow, at least for me. I had mine in high humidity for a long time and they seemed kind of stunted. I moved them to room temp and inside humidity (prob 30%) and they are just taking off. No humidity dome, around 75 degree temps. Fan on them at all times. I am not sure what causes the leaf curling but I have had that happen a few times now and it just seem to work itself out once I give it a little water. They are putting on leaves and branches so fast now that I have had to prop them up because they are getting top heavy. Idk, but I am having better results growing them in a windowsill in normal inside conditions than outside :justdontknow:


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Re: Novogranatense [Re: slowgrowloph]
    #21954150 - 07/16/15 10:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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E. Novo seem to require some really odd conditions to grow, at least for me. I had mine in high humidity for a long time and they seemed kind of stunted. I moved them to room temp and inside humidity (prob 30%) and they are just taking off. No humidity dome, around 75 degree temps. Fan on them at all times. I am not sure what causes the leaf curling but I have had that happen a few times now and it just seem to work itself out once I give it a little water. They are putting on leaves and branches so fast now that I have had to prop them up because they are getting top heavy. Idk, but I am having better results growing them in a windowsill in normal inside conditions than outside :justdontknow:




How old/big are yours?

From what I've read they like shade. If you have a window that gets a lot of sunlight, I would think that's the best spot. That's what I have, but in the winter I'm going to put them under my 1000W HPS! I might dim it to 500W though.

I think I read somewhere that 68F or so is the ideal temperature, though that may be a little off. Mine have been at between 65 and 75 since they first poked up. Also, I recall reading that temperature may play a role in growth stalling. I have heard they grow in spurts though. Not a lot of information out there on these >.<


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Re: Novogranatense [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21954202 - 07/16/15 10:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

This guy is about 6 months old. They got to a point where they weren't putting on any new growth in the humidity domes so I figured what the hell ill move them and see what happens. I learn the most about growing stuff when I fuck with their environment and see what they like and what they don't like. You win some and you lose some but regardless you will learn some at the same time. If you have a few I would try slowly adjusting them to inside conditions(poking holes in the bags and adding more slowly. Dont wanna shock them). Its pretty hard to replicate what they are used to growing in here in the states. Good luck. They are one of the more difficult things I have grown so far.


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Re: Novogranatense [Re: slowgrowloph]
    #21954373 - 07/16/15 11:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Have you lost any?

I'd be willing to put up some money to replicate their optimal growth parameters. I am not going to lose these guys. I already lost a loph someone gave me *tear*! It's a learning experience. Apparently direct desert sunshine isn't so great for lophs unless they are gradually exposed.

Your novo looks beautiful, by the way. Very top heavy plants, huh? I'm going to take your advice and just poke a few holes daily until it looks like buckshot and then try to remove the bag.

I have read that after 6 months they become much hardier.


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Re: Novogranatense [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21957909 - 07/17/15 08:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, they don't like a lot of intense light. From what I read, they do best at basically normal room temperatures and humidity. But when they are seedlings, they need the humidity. By the time mine were that size, I had them out of humidity. I think they are about the right size to start acclimating them. After they get acclimated and a touch older than that, they will really start taking off.

I'll upload a pic of one in a min


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Re: Novogranatense [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #21958188 - 07/17/15 09:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

They keep gradually kickin out leaves, but it seems to be a fairly slow process so far.


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Re: Novogranatense [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21959782 - 07/18/15 09:32 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Have you lost any?

I'd be willing to put up some money to replicate their optimal growth parameters. I am not going to lose these guys. I already lost a loph someone gave me *tear*! It's a learning experience. Apparently direct desert sunshine isn't so great for lophs unless they are gradually exposed.

Your novo looks beautiful, by the way. Very top heavy plants, huh? I'm going to take your advice and just poke a few holes daily until it looks like buckshot and then try to remove the bag.

I have read that after 6 months they become much hardier.




I lost about 5 when they were that old, maybe a little smaller. It was frustrating, but I still have enough. Sorry to hear about the loph. I gifted a friend one and he immediately took it from under shade-cloth to full sun and it burned the shit out of it in less than a day :frown:

Mine is only top heavy because of its new growth. It was growing pretty lanky at first and then when I got it out of the humidity it started bulking up bigtime, but only at the top new growth. The main stem is still pretty fragile but I have them under fans so hopefully the base will thicken up soon and catch up with the rest of the growth.


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Re: Novogranatense [Re: slowgrowloph]
    #21959869 - 07/18/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Do not give them any direct sun. When they are larger they can take a little but not much. They are shade loving plants. You want to allow the soil to dry between waterings, do not keep the soil always damp. Fert lightly and seldom. There are long threads with more info here if you do a search

They must be hardened off slowly from humidity tents. Give them a little more ventilation, then a little more. Let them take a couple weeks at least to get used to house humidity. I don't know if they can adjust to desert or not.


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Re: Novogranatense [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21960359 - 07/18/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)



Here's a couple pics, as promised.



Hey Stonehenge, while your'e here, how much root room do you think they need? Do they really prefer a lot of room to spread their legs or is it not as important to upsize their pots as it is for some other plants?


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Re: Novogranatense [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #21960415 - 07/18/15 12:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Very nice looking plants!

Yeah, I've given them a shot of 1-1-1 fert 2 times so far. I read on dbotany's website that you should use ferts to grow them out of their fragil stage before they reach 1 ft, but I am trying to limit my fertilizer use.

It looks like everyone ends up tying hem up at some point. I don't know why I rarely see anyone post pics of plants over 1 year old. Maybe they lose interest, or maybe they die? I intend to have mine for years!


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Re: Novogranatense [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #21960638 - 07/18/15 01:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

They need to be repotted same as other plants. I just repot them when they look too big. The main thing is to give them fast draining soil. I see people using lots of vermiculite and peat which is a mistake.


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Re: Novogranatense [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21960832 - 07/18/15 02:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I used a mixture of cactus soil, earthworm castings, potting soil, and like 40% perlite. I wish I had had some sand handy to mix in, but that will be the next pot.


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Re: Novogranatense [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21960889 - 07/18/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I used a mixture of cactus soil, earthworm castings, potting soil, and like 40% perlite. I wish I had had some sand handy to mix in, but that will be the next pot.




That should work.


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