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Mescaline acetate maybe not water soluble
    #21952520 - 07/16/15 03:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

On a recent san pedro tea prep, I used vinegar while cooking.  Strained the pulp with a pasta strainer, then the liquid with a pillowcase.  After strainint, I found a salty substance on the pillowcase. I later dried the salts which turned into a white paste.  Drank the tea, and got a weird body high that felt speedy, and some feeling of body dysmorphia but no visuals.  Later tried the paste and voila! The trip I was looking for.

This makes me question the solubility of mescaline acetate in boiling water.  I'm thinking a very simple, and maybe purer than average tek might involve cooking the tea, straining the pulp, adding vinegar, then straining again through a fine mesh once the mescaline acetate appears. A good deal of paste also needed to be scraped from the bottom of the cooking pot.

Of course I can point to at least one other post claiming the acetate is soluble, but that's not been my experience for whatever reason.


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Re: Mescaline acetate maybe not water soluble [Re: TwentyThirty]
    #21952721 - 07/16/15 04:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Hmm. I hope that's not the case. I'm reducing some tea from 3 cactus I'm preparing, and I put probably 3-4 tbsp of vinegar in while it was cooking. Certainly curious about other peoples experiences with this.

Just found this though, someone claiming it IS water soluble:
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=3631


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Re: Mescaline acetate maybe not water soluble [Re: optyks]
    #21952895 - 07/16/15 05:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

yeah, ive seen posts saying it is as well.  maybe it is at insane temperatures, i dont know.  but my boiling water left a salty looking residue in tact that was almost surely mescaline. 

it sounds like you already filtered.  find the mesh you filtered through and wash it into another pot and examine for salty looking crystals.  also, examine the bottom of your pot.  a lot of said white crystals were stuck to the bottom of my pot. 

but i wouldnt be surprised if accidentally filtering mescaline acetate was the reason for a lot of people claiming san pedro doesn't work.



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Re: Mescaline acetate maybe not water soluble [Re: TwentyThirty]
    #21952964 - 07/16/15 05:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

and btw, i think a tiny bit of mescaline stayed in the tea.  but i cooked up 7 ft. for two people and i had the very faintest closed eye visuals, but a really strong, also shitty, body high that lasted 8 hrs or so.  even my much smaller batches of mescaline citrate were way more pleasant and visual.


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Re: Mescaline acetate maybe not water soluble [Re: TwentyThirty]
    #21953078 - 07/16/15 06:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Don't use acetic acid when brewing tea then :shrug: If you want to get the most mescaline acetate, add some base to the tea, pull with solvent, salt with vinegar and evaporate.

If you want the best tea just a squeeze of lemon works great. It is quite possible that the acetate is not very soluble, the sulfate salt crashes out of H20 at colder temps. You may have drank the more soluble alks and precipitated the mesc.


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Re: Mescaline acetate maybe not water soluble [Re: TwentyThirty]
    #21953093 - 07/16/15 06:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

This might be worth an experiment. I don't have any plans for tea in the near future, but I might try this sometime. After all, it sounds like you still got a trip out of it.


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Re: Mescaline acetate maybe not water soluble [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #21953162 - 07/16/15 06:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

im trying again.  but i wasted quite a bit of cactus before i figured it out, trusting that acetate was definitely water soluble and the crystals i had were unrelated plant salts. 

trying again tomorrow.  gonna cook the cactus, vigorously strain all the crap, add the vinnegar, let cool, then strain through a fine mesh again.  if i get a good yield, i'll try only the resulting paste and report back.  if its not so great, or if i get a different result, ill reduce the tea and eat the whole thing.


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Re: Mescaline acetate maybe not water soluble [Re: TwentyThirty]
    #21953839 - 07/16/15 09:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Please report back with your results.


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Re: Mescaline acetate maybe not water soluble [Re: TwentyThirty]
    #21954816 - 07/17/15 04:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

In my last bridgesii experience I used food grade citric acid 1 gram in the first boil, 1/2 gram in the second, and 1/4 gram in the third.

Had a horrible trip that was 90% body load and speedy as fuck.  Hated it.  http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21862823/page/2

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Re: Mescaline acetate maybe not water soluble [Re: Nature Boy]
    #21955178 - 07/17/15 08:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So if I put in a couple tbsp of vinegar in my cooking (cactus was pureed) do you think I'll be missing out? My friends will surely be disappointed if they try drinking the vile stuff and don't get anything from it...


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Re: Mescaline acetate maybe not water soluble [Re: optyks]
    #21955327 - 07/17/15 09:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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In my last bridgesii experience I used food grade citric acid 1 gram in the first boil, 1/2 gram in the second, and 1/4 gram in the third.

Had a horrible trip that was 90% body load and speedy as fuck.  Hated it.  http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21862823/page/2

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This describes my experience exactly.  Though you would have had mesc. citrate, it's possible neither are as water soluble as in its freebase form.  This might account for a good deal of tea potency complaints.
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So if I put in a couple tbsp of vinegar in my cooking (cactus was pureed) do you think I'll be missing out? My friends will surely be disappointed if they try drinking the vile stuff and don't get anything from it...



Do it for science!  Nobody is really positive about any of this. And a tablespoon might not be enough to convert all of it. I put in a half cup.


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Re: Mescaline acetate maybe not water soluble [Re: TwentyThirty]
    #21955775 - 07/17/15 11:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I didn't measure, I just poured in a splash. Estimated the amount. Was for 3 ft worth of cactus.

Also, I strained through cheesecloth, which isn't as fine as a pillow case, so curious if that allows the alks through.  I did dump the pureed shit out of the cheesecloth, turn it inside out, got it wet and wrung it out a few times into the brew, just to see if that adds to anything.

Who knows?

You guys are making me nervous though. If it's an unpleasant body load, I would rather avoid it altogether...


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Re: Mescaline acetate maybe not water soluble [Re: optyks]
    #21957118 - 07/17/15 05:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

We don't even know if this is a real thing yet.  Also you added the filtered stuff back in right? I'd say you'll probably get something out of it and if not, report back!


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Re: Mescaline acetate maybe not water soluble [Re: TwentyThirty]
    #21957578 - 07/17/15 07:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Some things I've learned..

Mescaline acetate is moderately soluble in water, but it can take up to 24 hours to melt. Same with mescaline freebase.  Mescaline citrate is very soluble and this is why lemon juice is often added.  My brew is cooking now.. Not sure if I'm going to stick with the plan or add lemons.


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Re: Mescaline acetate maybe not water soluble [Re: TwentyThirty]
    #21959273 - 07/18/15 04:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

so turns out I had great success.  Mescaline is really not that soluble at all.  I did my cook using lime juice and  vinegar at different points in the cook and got what looks like a gram of white crystals. I'm going to write more in depth tomorrow, but No a/b or chemistry required all on the principle that mescalin is really not all that soluble in freebase, acetate or citrate form. EVERYTHING WE KNOW ABOUT SAN PEDRO TEA IS WRONG!. OK maybe an exaggeration but check it out. Mescaline is way heavier than water or cactus so it all sunk to the bottom and was easily separable. This strongly points to why many san pedro teas fail, IMO.  It's not making it into the tea at all, half the time.



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Re: Mescaline acetate maybe not water soluble [Re: TwentyThirty]
    #21959394 - 07/18/15 06:06 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well, I'd say evap off any liquids. And then weigh out you dose. If it is mescaline, I wonder how pure it might be. If it is mescaline though, this is gonna go big soon....


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Re: Mescaline acetate maybe not water soluble [Re: TwentyThirty]
    #21959396 - 07/18/15 06:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Some things I've learned..

Mescaline acetate is moderately soluble in water, but it can take up to 24 hours to melt. Same with mescaline freebase.




To "melt?"  WTF does THAT mean?  How about some reference articles on solubility?  Where do these bald assertions come from?  Salts are readily soluble in water.

W/R/T your image:  Don't know what that is...  Post your tech.  This I gotta see.

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Re: Mescaline acetate maybe not water soluble [Re: Nature Boy]
    #21959439 - 07/18/15 06:41 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Mescaline acetate maybe not water soluble [Re: healing]
    #21960609 - 07/18/15 01:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i'll admit, it doesn't make good sense that this white powder stuff is mescaline, so lets wait till i can bioassay before I write up a tek, or jump to any conclusions.  my last cracked out tea experience that i mentioned above was on tuesday, so kind of want to wait till this tuesday to try again. 

it made a bit of sense that i was finding freebase mescaline before i put in the lime juice.  freebase mescaline isn't very soluble apparently.  but once i added the lime juice and did another wash, it started raining white junk.  if mescaline citrate is so water soluble, what gives?  there's three possibilities:  1.) the white stuff isn't mescaline  2.) my water was so saturated by mescaline that it crashed out 3.) mescaline citrate isn't as soluble as we think

it sure LOOKS like drugs so im hoping for #3.


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Re: Mescaline acetate maybe not water soluble [Re: TwentyThirty]
    #21960670 - 07/18/15 01:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe taste a tiny bit of the powder? Mescaline is supposed to be bitter, maybe it'll give a hint before tuesday.

How much cactus did it take to get that much precip?


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