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isic
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Re: 1st legit Pan subb haul! [Re: isic] 2
#23474856 - 07/25/16 09:15 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Here is some close ups of the bluing






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Re: 1st legit Pan subb haul! [Re: isic]
#23474977 - 07/25/16 09:56 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Gilzman
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Re: 1st legit Pan subb haul! [Re: isic]
#23480866 - 07/27/16 12:09 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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isic said: That could be the case. There are soooo many bees out there on those clover/flowers. In fact, I had to watch EVERY step I took, just to not step on any. I had to be careful picking the specimens, as bees were just inches away from my hand. I had to move real slow because of the bees, but the slower I moved, the more mushrooms I would find. It almost felt like I had a symbiotic relationship with the bees, but it looks like the reality is... the mushrooms might actually have the symbiotic relationship with the bees.
The thought of that is too fucking cool!
There might actually be something to this!
I was watching Staments doing one of his presentations and he mentioned oxalic acid. That is, mushrooms make this and use it in the process of moving through a growing medium and it digests minerals etc and fights threats etc.
But, just the same week, I was reading about bees and those ugly bee mites (varroa). And guess what? they say oxalic acid is used to kill those things off the backs of bees in European hives!
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Re: 1st legit Pan subb haul! [Re: Gilzman]
#23481696 - 07/27/16 09:05 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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good stuff, Gilzman.
every time i hear clover i also think of sorrel as it looks a lot like clover and it just so happens that it produces oxalic acid as well.
^^^just a coincidence thing.
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Re: 1st legit Pan subb haul! [Re: relic]
#23482564 - 07/27/16 02:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I hear Rhubarb leaves have almost toxic levels of oxalic acid. Hmmmm, I have a barrel that I put grass clippings in (organic), and they are rotting down nicely. I might put rhubarb leaves in there also.
I take the paper from doing spore prints and will dump a coffee grind ball in the center and fold it all up and jam it down into the grass clippings.
Here is a all coffee grounds/mycelia pic. I microwaved the fresh grounds for 3 minutes and let that sit till it cooled down and sucked back the lid. I then sprayed it with a hydrogen peroxide /water spray and , then carefully scraped up a big line of black spores ad dropped it into the middle. So far, no contamination and a very aggressive spread. I am hoping for a complete matt across the top this time.
I also have a very interesting coffee grounds and rabbit poo deal going. I shredded the poo and microwaved the hell out of it and then sprayed it with the H202 and put that baby food jar with lid in a boiling bath for 20 minutes. I made a compression cap so it built a little pressure. I transferred some of the grounds-only mycelia in there and it is looking OK so far. The H202 probably provides 02 as it breaks down...mushrooms, like us, breathe O2

-------------------- The more I see mushrooms, the more I see mushrooms. I swear it gets into you.
Edited by Gilzman (07/27/16 02:53 PM)
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Re: 1st legit Pan subb haul! [Re: Gilzman]
#23485126 - 07/28/16 09:52 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: rhubarb, yes they do. my grandma taught me a lot about wild foraging and we'd find wild rhubarb (burdock) in the spring. her old skool wild foraging rule of thumb was to eat no more (raw) than ten leaves (for your ten fingers) at a time and eat only leaves that were no longer than your palm + fingers in length. she'd sometimes collect more and boil them in two changes of water and serve as a sloppy boiled mess of greens with a dollop of bacon grease on them. being a kid i never liked them too much but added about four leaves to a foraged salad this past spring and enjoyed it.
i think the size thing was the only thing that saved those old timers--who often learned foraging during the depression era--from poisoning themselves. the leaves of wild rhubarb were only that small for a very short period in the spring and as such one could only eat so much when strictly following those 'rules'.
Re: your experiments, more good stuff! interested to see what happens with your projects. thx for posting.
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Re: 1st legit Pan subb haul! [Re: relic]
#23485708 - 07/28/16 12:55 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I got to post some better pics.
But, I think at this point, I will save up all my coffee grounds and actually do a 'Johnny Shroomy-Seed'. That is, I will sprinkle them around known good spots. They really take to it.
Weather has been too hot. I fixed my in-ground sprinkler and have finally got the west side of my lawn looking green. I was surprised to see a bunch of pink-gilled agaricus come up the next day.
-------------------- The more I see mushrooms, the more I see mushrooms. I swear it gets into you.
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Re: 1st legit Pan subb haul! [Re: Gilzman]
#23485743 - 07/28/16 01:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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the heat, i get it. we've had raw highs over 92 for 8 days running and at or near 100 several days. heat index in the 100-116F range and you can see the humidity hanging in the air.
my manure pile has been reliably fruiting a conocybe sp, up to 35 a day for a small 4'x5' pile, but only one more cinct. found some small cincts that were pretty dry in a newly sodded part of a yard and just added them to the manure pile at my house. i'm watching your project and thinking of doing similar to seed my manure pile, maybe get ahead of the conocybes i've been pulling every day (trying to get them before they sporulate).
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Re: 1st legit Pan subb haul! [Re: relic]
#23487603 - 07/28/16 10:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Here is a pic of the 'starter' Java...It is actually Folgers with my wife's Viet coffee mix...
-------------------- The more I see mushrooms, the more I see mushrooms. I swear it gets into you.
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isic
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Re: 1st legit Pan subb haul! [Re: Gilzman]
#23487748 - 07/28/16 10:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wow, that's awesome Gilzman! I am trying stem butts on cardboard, and there is a little growth, but nothing like what you are brewing up. That is impressive!!!
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Gilzman
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Re: 1st legit Pan subb haul! [Re: isic]
#23487848 - 07/28/16 11:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Man, you have the best lawn actives. It's easy. Just micro-zap the grounds (like 3 minutes), get a container and wipe it out good with a Clorox disinfecting wipe, and just DUMP a big scrape of black spores in it after putting in the grounds. Open it every day, give it a good spray of 50/50 hydrogen peroxide with filtered water (on the edge), and keep it in a warm spot. Maybe 10 days to 2 weeks you get a nice mat I bet.
Put that in your manure pile and report back...Oh! It's raining, yeah!
-------------------- The more I see mushrooms, the more I see mushrooms. I swear it gets into you.
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Re: 1st legit Pan subb haul! [Re: Gilzman]
#23487885 - 07/28/16 11:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Last couple of Colorado summers have had mild to almost silly-chilly nightly Augustness. I like to track my energy bills, and I hate spending money, so I have seen that given enough rain, and a bit of humidity, I believe that these mushrooms that we hunt will grow not just in the spring/fall, but under the conditions that make them grow.
Tonight, after this nice chiller-rain, has given me hope.
I also see the sun changing its angle and I know that other spots will now be viable. Northern exposures will be investigated.
I suppose that growing mushrooms is convenient, and it is its own thing, but the hunt is another aspect, and the connection with your environment, can not compare to just a transaction. Nothing against growing, me being a rabid vegetable grower...I just need the hunt. I love theorizing about the interactions. Why one place and not another might be viable. It is actually a three dimensional puzzle in some ways.
All this because I saw a small patch of conocybe cyanapus in my backyard after the 3 days of rains that flooded Northern Colorado.
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Re: 1st legit Pan subb haul! [Re: Gilzman]
#23498707 - 08/01/16 03:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Gilzman said: Man, you have the best lawn actives. It's easy. Just micro-zap the grounds (like 3 minutes), get a container and wipe it out good with a Clorox disinfecting wipe, and just DUMP a big scrape of black spores in it after putting in the grounds. Open it every day, give it a good spray of 50/50 hydrogen peroxide with filtered water (on the edge), and keep it in a warm spot. Maybe 10 days to 2 weeks you get a nice mat I bet.
Put that in your manure pile and report back...Oh! It's raining, yeah!
couple questions...
the grounds you used were leftover after brewing coffee i assume (not fresh)? you spray with 50/50 H2O2/water around the edge of the substrate daily?
good stuff.
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Re: 1st legit Pan subb haul! [Re: relic]
#23498736 - 08/01/16 03:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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rained daily on six consecutive days and on the seventh day five cincts pushed up. fighting slugs now.
i realized this past weekend that i forgot to mention that i put down a 6" thick mat of 'spoiled' hay as the farmers call it before layering the manure over it. spoiled hay is basically any hay that has become somewhat moldy or was put away while too wet or that stock animals have bedded in for a few days. in my case, it was hay that animals had bedded in so it wasn't fit for eating any longer in the farmer's eyes and he gave me as much as i wanted to collect.
i made the hay mat larger than the poo pile with the idea that the hay would keep the weed growth down and eventually become nutrient rich due to the manure runoff during rain storms. the cincts that are now growing in my pile are all around the edges where the manure meets the hay.
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Re: 1st legit Pan subb haul! [Re: relic] 1
#23500079 - 08/01/16 09:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes fresh brewed grounds out of the coffee machine. Put in container and microwave for a few minutes. Let cool down and spray them with 50/50 H202/H20 and the inoculate. I like to put a big scrape in the center.
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#23524342 - 08/09/16 09:12 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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This is what it will look like in a few weeks. I will use this as a transfer to a sterilized medium. I am thinking of taking my composted grass clippings, putting them in a black container with a transparent lid and baking in the sun. I will then soak it in a H2O2 mix and then rinse and use it as a medium.

close up...trippy
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#23524365 - 08/09/16 09:22 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: 1st legit Pan subb haul! [Re: Gilzman]
#23555396 - 08/18/16 10:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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What areas do you look in for the subs? Just lawns or are wildlife areas good
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Well fertilized lawns are good for cincts/subbs, also horse pastures.
When you hunt for them in lawns, make sure to keep an eye out for lawns that are treated with nasty chems, you don't want to pick shrooms that come from those areas.
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Re: 1st legit Pan subb haul! [Re: Gilzman]
#24356790 - 05/28/17 04:25 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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damn, i lost my pics. I will try and reload them or delete the posts....Anyway....New stuff, the snow and hail and rains werre great...

A little guy at the bottom...

-------------------- The more I see mushrooms, the more I see mushrooms. I swear it gets into you.
Edited by Gilzman (05/28/17 04:35 PM)
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