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Re: 1st legit Pan subb haul! [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22095775 - 08/15/15 05:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)



More from the same area...

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Re: 1st legit Pan subb haul! [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22095791 - 08/15/15 05:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I was thinking maybe Panaeolus fimicola as a possibility as well (wishful thinking when they are likely foes), but all these LBMs are very very similar, I'm going to need to examine the gills and spores very carefully for a positive ID.

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Re: 1st legit Pan subb haul! [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22095803 - 08/15/15 05:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Panaeolina castaneifolia is another possibility...

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Re: 1st legit Pan subb haul! [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22095858 - 08/15/15 05:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Here is a link to a few of my finds. Maybe some of the pics i've posted will help you out. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21883806


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Re: 1st legit Pan subb haul! [Re: TBJ12]
    #22095947 - 08/15/15 06:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Here is a link to a few of my finds. Maybe some of the pics i've posted will help you out. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21883806




Very helpful, thank you.

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Re: 1st legit Pan subb haul! [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22105452 - 08/18/15 05:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)



The spore print is black, but the stems seem weak...

I may have to take the spores under a microscope to get a positive ID....

-E. Borodin


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Re: 1st legit Pan subb haul! [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22105485 - 08/18/15 06:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Panaeolina castaneifolia is another possibility...

-E. Borodin





Panaeolus castaneifolia is a deprecated synonym of Panaeolus olivaceus.


Panaeolus olivaceus would be the correct genus/species name.

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Re: 1st legit Pan subb haul! [Re: Lucis]
    #22105563 - 08/18/15 06:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panaeolina_castaneifolia

As far as I can tell Panaeolina castaneifolia is not synonymous with the species you named, if you can direct me to an information source confirming this it would be most helpful.

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Re: 1st legit Pan subb haul! [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22105566 - 08/18/15 06:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The spores I have are black and according to Wikipedia Panaeolina castaneifolia has roughened Brown spores...

So Panaeolina castaneifolia is out of the question.

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Re: 1st legit Pan subb haul! [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22105722 - 08/18/15 08:14 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)




Just picked these 10 minutes ago...

It's driving me crazy that I can't ID them...

With the spore print, you guys consider this black right?

I don't think it's dark brown...

But the total features dont quite fit for pan subs or for foes...


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Re: 1st legit Pan subb haul! [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22105948 - 08/18/15 09:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Should I just assume these are foes and move on?

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Re: 1st legit Pan subb haul! [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22106232 - 08/18/15 11:11 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Should I just assume these are foes and move on?

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I would suggest you start your own thread asking for an ID.

You might want to try and get a better closeup of that spore print, looks black but it's tough to tell from that pic.


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Re: 1st legit Pan subb haul! [Re: TBJ12]
    #22106585 - 08/18/15 12:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Should I just assume these are foes and move on?

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I would suggest you start your own thread asking for an ID.

You might want to try and get a better closeup of that spore print, looks black but it's tough to tell from that pic.




Yeah, I started my own shortly after my last post on this one, I only kept posting here because this was a thread specifically for Colorado.

My camera is on my kindle fire HD and it's incredibly hard to get good pictures with it, I honestly can't tell, even In person close up it looks black, but I'm still uncertain.

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Re: 1st legit Pan subb haul! [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22106662 - 08/18/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Im not really seeing any actives being posted, except for the OPs. There isn't much but cints in CO (or Gyms in the woods), especially on the front range. I would be scoping any places that could yield a find around horse poo(stables) or cow fields. I think where this thread has gone is that you should consider yourself quite lucky to find an active mushroom thru-out CO. To just find an active cint patch growing in a lawn takes some luck, patience, and persistence, espically with all the "look-a-likes" that are non-active.


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Re: 1st legit Pan subb haul! [Re: DeTwizzle]
    #22106736 - 08/18/15 01:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Im not really seeing any actives being posted, except for the OPs. There isn't much but cints in CO (or Gyms in the woods), especially on the front range. I would be scoping any places that could yield a find around horse poo(stables) or cow fields. I think where this thread has gone is that you should consider yourself quite lucky to find an active mushroom thru-out CO. To just find an active cint patch growing in a lawn takes some luck, patience, and persistence, espically with all the "look-a-likes" that are non-active.




The mushrooms I posted were potentially active.

I was fairly certain they were foes, but the spore print looked black.

I've always got my eye open for pan subs, which are actually more common out here than you would think, the samples I was attempting to ID are near my home, which is why I wanted the ID, I could drive for 15 minutes and have a confirmed pan sub (they grow through-out my friends garden and yard) and I have stropharia cubensis on hand, this is more about learning the local fungi, and if it is a look alike to an active species it's good to be familiar with it, so in future incidents you can discard it.

I was only curious because I was getting a black spore print, they looked like pan. Femicola, which is active...Though by now I'm fairly certain that they are foes....but the spore print was the issue..

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Re: 1st legit Pan subb haul! [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22106843 - 08/18/15 01:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I went back to my trusty spot today and found 8 good specimens. Ironically, it seems that there is less mushrooms due to this spot being too wet. With recent rains and nightly watering, there was standing water everywhere. The 8 I did find were in areas where it was more dry. With as much as this spot is watered, it seems the only ingredient needed is temps in the mid to upper 80's to get huge hauls. Too much rain and higher temps seem to diminish the number of mushrooms greatly in this spot.


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Re: 1st legit Pan subb haul! [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22107588 - 08/18/15 05:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Im not really seeing any actives being posted, except for the OPs. There isn't much but cints in CO (or Gyms in the woods), especially on the front range. I would be scoping any places that could yield a find around horse poo(stables) or cow fields. I think where this thread has gone is that you should consider yourself quite lucky to find an active mushroom thru-out CO. To just find an active cint patch growing in a lawn takes some luck, patience, and persistence, espically with all the "look-a-likes" that are non-active.




The mushrooms I posted were potentially active.

I was fairly certain they were foes, but the spore print looked black.

I've always got my eye open for pan subs, which are actually more common out here than you would think, the samples I was attempting to ID are near my home, which is why I wanted the ID, I could drive for 15 minutes and have a confirmed pan sub (they grow through-out my friends garden and yard) and I have stropharia cubensis on hand, this is more about learning the local fungi, and if it is a look alike to an active species it's good to be familiar with it, so in future incidents you can discard it.

I was only curious because I was getting a black spore print, they looked like pan. Femicola, which is active...Though by now I'm fairly certain that they are foes....but the spore print was the issue..

-E. Borodin




I hear yah! I've done all the same research for my area in MO which probably has more than CO. There are a number of pan species that produce jet black prints that are still non-active. And any patches that I've found here growing in a grass field (non poo) are super weak.

Does Allen Rockefeller still scope pans for people?


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Re: 1st legit Pan subb haul! [Re: DeTwizzle]
    #22107977 - 08/18/15 06:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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DeTwizzle said:
Im not really seeing any actives being posted, except for the OPs. There isn't much but cints in CO (or Gyms in the woods), especially on the front range. I would be scoping any places that could yield a find around horse poo(stables) or cow fields. I think where this thread has gone is that you should consider yourself quite lucky to find an active mushroom thru-out CO. To just find an active cint patch growing in a lawn takes some luck, patience, and persistence, espically with all the "look-a-likes" that are non-active.




The mushrooms I posted were potentially active.

I was fairly certain they were foes, but the spore print looked black.

I've always got my eye open for pan subs, which are actually more common out here than you would think, the samples I was attempting to ID are near my home, which is why I wanted the ID, I could drive for 15 minutes and have a confirmed pan sub (they grow through-out my friends garden and yard) and I have stropharia cubensis on hand, this is more about learning the local fungi, and if it is a look alike to an active species it's good to be familiar with it, so in future incidents you can discard it.

I was only curious because I was getting a black spore print, they looked like pan. Femicola, which is active...Though by now I'm fairly certain that they are foes....but the spore print was the issue..

-E. Borodin




I hear yah! I've done all the same research for my area in MO which probably has more than CO. There are a number of pan species that produce jet black prints that are still non-active. And any patches that I've found here growing in a grass field (non poo) are super weak.

Does Allen Rockefeller still scope pans for people?




Yeah, I'm really doubting they are an active species at this point, but for informational purposes it would have been nice to know.

I'm going to call these "probably foes" and move on.

-E. Borodin


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Re: ** THE OFFICIAL COLORADO ACTIVES THREAD ** [Re: isic]
    #22108618 - 08/18/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Pan subb--please, for the sake of a noob, what does that stand for?


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Re: ** THE OFFICIAL COLORADO ACTIVES THREAD ** [Re: champinhom]
    #22108679 - 08/18/15 09:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Panaeolus subbalteatus which was re-named Panaeolus cinctulus.

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