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Slugs vs Reishi (Ganoderma curtisii and Ganoderma Resinaceum)
    #21952484 - 07/16/15 03:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

For 4 months with the G.resinaceum grows and 2 for the G.curtisii, slugs have been eating the pins before they could even form.  Perhaps it was causing the reishi to concentrate its develpment and grow more fiercely when a solution would be found? 

A solution was found.  But first I'll mention all the methods and their effectiveness.

The least effective:
Coffee grounds = hardly slows slugs.  And seems to be better at repelling slugs' natural predators (I'll get to them later).
Seaweed = effective for a couple days
Diatamaceus Earth = slows them a little more than coffee.  But washes away with every rain or watering
Eggshells ground up = slows slugs but a little more than coffee and DE.  But still doesn't stop them from destroying everything
Thorn branches/brambles as barriers = completely ineffective.  I used blackberry branches.
Growing chives around area = completely ineffective

These were effective but not the best:
Beer Traps (yeast traps are better) = kills a ton.  The smaller slugs will usually just drink from the side and survive.  Many others will still eat a bunch before drowning.  I even put 3 around one site.
Put a more attractive mushroom to the slugs nearby reishi = I used tiger sawgills.  But the slugs still kept destroying reishi pins in addition to the tiger sawgills.
Hair clippings = the slugs hate this.  But after rain or watering, inneffective
Watering or misting in morning instead of evening = effective except when it rains.  But the most destructive slugs were active even during the day
Killing them one at a time = good but too many to kill and easy to miss the little ones.  It's also annoying to go out in the dark with a flashlight
Trim bushes that hang into area and clear leaves and other yard debris = helpful.  Puts the slugs out in the open a little more

The best defense:
FROGS!!!  So I'm guessing that many of the things I was using to stop the slugs (especially coffee grounds) were actually scaring off the frogs ironically causing an plague of slugs.  I didn't want to scare it off by going too close for a pic.  My girlfriend named this one, Alfred:


After one week since the frogs' return, this happened with the Ganoderma curtisii (MrCloudy's strain):


Here is the Ganoderma resinaceum.  Several different buried--My clone from a nearby stump, G.sissile (MrCloudy's clone), Aleon "lucidum" and Aloha SCL "lucidum"--all from previous indoor grows):


This is origin of one of the G.resinaceums nearby on a stump, pinning where it occurs naturally.  One reason for its success against slugs and other pests--it's more out in the open in a semi-shady area where birds frequent.  Slugs wont last long there:
  It's growing back again.  Last year, it looked like this: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20537737/page/2


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Re: Slugs vs Reishi (Ganoderma curtisii and Ganoderma Resinaceum) [Re: Jumpingfish]
    #21955569 - 07/17/15 10:47 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Very cool ideas! Yup, I would try to make some sort of extra space and maybe water so frogs are more enticed to stick around.:thumbup:


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Re: Slugs vs Reishi (Ganoderma curtisii and Ganoderma Resinaceum) [Re: Humbled]
    #21955804 - 07/17/15 11:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That's a good idea.  Alfred, the main frog there, this morning had diatamatous earth on him.  But I stopped using DE last week when I first saw the frogs.  They must be picking it up from somewhere underground.  Water or a small pond would give him an opportunity to clean it off.  I'm also still maintaining the yeast/beer traps just to be safe.

Unfortunately, the slugs attacked again last night.  I don't know if the frogs ate the slugs after they did their damage.  Here's an animation of last night's havok:
(it was a lot worse last week before the frogs though)

They lobb off the tops of the pins not even giving them a chance.  Fortunately it's not as much as before.


Besides the frogs and keeping the area habitable for them.  I read that wood ash messes with the ph of the soil too much.  And copper wire is hardly effective.  Is there any other methods I could try to stop the slug damage?


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Re: Slugs vs Reishi (Ganoderma curtisii and Ganoderma Resinaceum) [Re: Jumpingfish]
    #21955924 - 07/17/15 12:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Dang! They really munch down on those! Such a pity but the slugs are definitely getting a high quality meal.:shrug:

Try using Sulphur, you can get specialized Sulphur in garden stores like the one I work at specifically for killing slugs.


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Re: Slugs vs Reishi (Ganoderma curtisii and Ganoderma Resinaceum) [Re: Humbled]
    #21955930 - 07/17/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It's incredible what they can do.

:popcorn:

One of the main reasons I haven't tried anything with mushrooms outside yet is the slugs, they have ruined other endeavors of mine in the past.


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Re: Slugs vs Reishi (Ganoderma curtisii and Ganoderma Resinaceum) [Re: Mrcloudy]
    #21956273 - 07/17/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Psilocelium, is the sulfur to kill slugs safe for frogs?  Also hopefully it doesn't have to be reapplied after rains or every watering?  The beer traps have to be changed every other day now that heat is past 90F.  So it's already high maintenance.

Cloudy, I can completely understand that now.  I'm burnt out on fighting the slugs.  They're not even this bad (nor even the beetles and worms) with plants.


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Re: Slugs vs Reishi (Ganoderma curtisii and Ganoderma Resinaceum) [Re: Jumpingfish]
    #21956372 - 07/17/15 02:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I would assume it's safe for frogs and vertebrates in general. At least it's a naturally occurring substance. I'll double check that and post back.


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Re: Slugs vs Reishi (Ganoderma curtisii and Ganoderma Resinaceum) [Re: Humbled]
    #21956384 - 07/17/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well, according to this article, maybe not so safe for anything with a nervous system. Sulphur for Slugs

No, wait, they are talking about carbamate there. As far as I know suplhur is one of the safest treatments for slugs. The pelletized forms would withstand rain for a while.


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Re: Slugs vs Reishi (Ganoderma curtisii and Ganoderma Resinaceum) [Re: Humbled]
    #21956769 - 07/17/15 03:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Ok, bought some Bug-Geta sulfur bait.  It seems fishy that on the ingredients, it says, "Sulfur.....1.0% / Other ingredients......99.0%"  Or maybe I'm misunderstanding something.  Anyway, I'll keep posted the progress.  And hopefully no frogs will be harmed during this process.


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Re: Slugs vs Reishi (Ganoderma curtisii and Ganoderma Resinaceum) [Re: Jumpingfish]
    #21964185 - 07/19/15 10:26 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Elemental sulfur is a natural fungicide so dont spread that stuff too close to your blocks. Just a word of warning!:eek:


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Re: Slugs vs Reishi (Ganoderma curtisii and Ganoderma Resinaceum) [Re: Humbled]
    #21964277 - 07/19/15 10:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well damn.  I wish you warned me sooner (or maybe I should have done more research too).  It's been all around the pins/fruits and over the dirt where the blocks are underneath for 2 days. 

Also the reishi is still growing very well actually.  So should I try dusting it as far away from the immediate area.  The sulfur pellets are still visible.  I spotted one huge slug it killed by the way.  So it's definitely working.  Just hopefully now it wont kill the reishi too.


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Re: Slugs vs Reishi (Ganoderma curtisii and Ganoderma Resinaceum) [Re: Jumpingfish]
    #21964520 - 07/19/15 11:24 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Sorry about that bro. Yeah just keep it from direct contact on the blocks. That should be safe enough for your reishi. I believe under the soil, the sulfur is broken down into usable nutrients for plants and probably mushrooms.

Gypsum is a form of sulfur and that is helpful to mushrooms so I wouldnt worry too much about it.


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Re: Slugs vs Reishi (Ganoderma curtisii and Ganoderma Resinaceum) [Re: Humbled]
    #21964569 - 07/19/15 11:36 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

No problem.  I at least scraped it away from the fruits before it rains (it killed several of the slugs too huge for the tuna can beer/yeast traps). 

I wonder also if the fact that it's only 1% sulfur and 99% other might make it a little safer. There still has been significant growth after these two days.


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Re: Slugs vs Reishi (Ganoderma curtisii and Ganoderma Resinaceum) [Re: Jumpingfish]
    #22007930 - 07/28/15 03:21 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Looking forward to seeing those conks!!!!:popcorn:


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Re: Slugs vs Reishi (Ganoderma curtisii and Ganoderma Resinaceum) [Re: Humbled]
    #22008606 - 07/28/15 09:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Here's one of many that I'm trying to make into timelaps. 
http://gfycat.com/CooperativeNewCrow

This one illustrates a new problem at the very end.  Something is burrowing completely around it.  I discovered that this morning.  I'm afraid it may get destroyed soon.  I've seen chipmunks about a month ago and a rabbit for the first time ever this morning nearby the reishi site. 

It's hard to notice in the full timplaps--at the very end when the plant in the background is now up on top of the ganoderma curtisii.  Here are the before and after pics:


Any ideas from stopping whatever is burrowing before it destroys this one and possibly the others?

I'll post the rest of the timelapses as they get a little further along.  I'm taking a picture a day until they drop spores or something destroys it. This is a complete experiment.


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Re: Slugs vs Reishi (Ganoderma curtisii and Ganoderma Resinaceum) [Re: Jumpingfish]
    #22008648 - 07/28/15 09:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Hmm, I don't know what to tell you about what ever is burrowing, but its looking really good so far overall. :dancingbacon:


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Re: Slugs vs Reishi (Ganoderma curtisii and Ganoderma Resinaceum) [Re: Mrcloudy]
    #22008680 - 07/28/15 09:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Very good looking conks! Hell yes bro!:mushroom2:


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Re: Slugs vs Reishi (Ganoderma curtisii and Ganoderma Resinaceum) [Re: Humbled]
    #22008774 - 07/28/15 10:06 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If I can find a better site to upload gifs, then I could post some of the other timelapses.  They're still works in progress though.

I just put rocks in the burrow holes, then stomped them down and will add cayenne pepper all around the area.  Hopefully whatever is digging wont destroy everything.  They are also within inches of getting uprooted.


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Re: Slugs vs Reishi (Ganoderma curtisii and Ganoderma Resinaceum) [Re: Jumpingfish]
    #22009020 - 07/28/15 11:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

This just happened to the one from the previous pic between trips to fix the holes. 


It might have been the rabbit?  Or the bite marks seem mamal at least.  Maybe these are just doomed.


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Re: Slugs vs Reishi (Ganoderma curtisii and Ganoderma Resinaceum) [Re: Jumpingfish]
    #22009113 - 07/28/15 11:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Could be the chipmunk if that is what is doing the burrowing, those little bastards love to steal my strawberries. They eat half a berry then leave the rest  on a rock to rot.


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Re: Slugs vs Reishi (Ganoderma curtisii and Ganoderma Resinaceum) [Re: Mrcloudy]
    #22009287 - 07/28/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Someone suggested to me to build a barn owl house a few weeks ago to stop the chipmunks.  But I hadn't gotten around to it.  Maybe it'd work for your strawberries too?  Although there's no garauntee they'll move into it:
http://www.nrcs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/nrcs144p2_063925.pdf

The G.curtisii at least tries to recover from animal and bug attacks within reason.  Here is another of the timelapses:
http://gfycat.com/CandidFoolishHairstreak
This reishi continues to try to recover from a slug attack from 2 weeks ago.


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Re: Slugs vs Reishi (Ganoderma curtisii and Ganoderma Resinaceum) [Re: Jumpingfish]
    #22020847 - 07/30/15 04:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

This is most of the G.curtisii garden spot.  4 more conks are out of frame.  There are too many to fit into one pic.  But I wish they'd grow a bit bigger.  Right now they're shifting to the yellow:



Also I found out the animals digging the burrows are actually toads.  So the predator that helps to stop the slugs causes its own problems in return. 


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