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Do you feel the word God was to be as a stepping stone?
#21952363 - 07/16/15 03:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I feel we were supposed to move onward to find a more accurate word(s) to who (or who in all) is behind this reality.
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Re: Do you feel the word God was to be as a stepping stone? [Re: Lived_1978-2043]
#21952379 - 07/16/15 03:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Besides, people's opinions messed up the meaning to the word God.
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#21952957 - 07/16/15 05:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Good point. I have struggled before with finding that the very mention of the word would invoke judgemental feelings in myself, however I am now at a stage where I very much believe in the concept of such a presence - albeit not in any of the pre-prescribed formats.
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Re: Do you feel the word God was to be as a stepping stone? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#21953500 - 07/16/15 07:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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What do you mean by more accurate words? Words are only as accurate as the meaning we give to them.
I think God is a great word but the problem, like Jokeshopbeard experienced is that people associate the word God with perfection and then judge themselves in response based on their shortcomings. Thus many people, myself included have developed unhealthy associates with the word, mainly a feeling of unworthiness.
I believe this is one of the most major obstacles the Christian faces. I dont see it as an inherent flaw in Christianity because any system you try to create to encapsulate reality is going to have pros and cons. It just so happens that with Christianity the con seems to be that people have an image of God or Jesus and they think thats how they should be and then they judge themselves accordingly.
Right now I am in a healing phase trying to move beyond self-judgement because I realized I could never really be at one with God as long as I was judging myself.
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Re: Do you feel the word God was to be as a stepping stone? [Re: Deviate]
#21953661 - 07/16/15 08:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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What I meant is there are so many meanings to what God is. Enough to cause a person confusion, depending on who is defining what God is.
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Re: Do you feel the word God was to be as a stepping stone? [Re: Lived_1978-2043]
#21953791 - 07/16/15 08:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well sure that is because the Supreme Being defies definition.
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Re: Do you feel the word God was to be as a stepping stone? [Re: Lived_1978-2043]
#21953826 - 07/16/15 09:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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i think it's an interesting topic... to me it makes sense that the only people who know what God is are those who are God-realized. since i am not God-realized, i do not know what God is really - all I have are my speculations. and I would go further to say that I think a living God-realized human being would only be aware of a small aspect of the infinitude of what God is. and on a more pantheistic/panentheistic level, everything in existence is an aspect or emanation of God, and God is not just the 'highest level' of existence (or non-existence) as is often conveyed in the notion of God being separate from the rest of "his" creation but i can say from my vantage point, that whatever God/Goddess is... is good (i think) we are all good, that is ! 
a neat definition of God I came across once was along the lines of "God is the sum total of every being in existence" i find that really conveys the potency and vastness of the concept well (better imo than seeing God as an individual personality as is sometimes done)
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Re: Do you feel the word God was to be as a stepping stone? [Re: deff]
#21955439 - 07/17/15 10:08 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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i think god is just a metaphor of the universe. we're all created in his image, plants an animals, even modern computers. if you don't believe me think of it this way... The body is our vehicle, our brains the computer, and DNA the OS. Our nerves and veins are the electrical wiring that help making it all possible. The body of a vertebrate is also set up very similar to the structure of plants. I inferred to myself that the soul may be the electrical energy flowing through our veins. After thinking that to myself i read this article which theorized that microtubules in the brain contain quantum information which allow consciousness and there may be an afterlife
I often thought that there is an afterlife but no like many believe and that when you die the soul just dissipates back into the atmosphere just as is quantasized and that article further anchors my thinking.
its also funny to think that i may have already spiritually transcended and i have never taken shrooms in my life. Simply through meditation and contemplation, but who knows
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Re: Do you feel the word God was to be as a stepping stone? [Re: Lived_1978-2043]
#21958926 - 07/18/15 12:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lived_1978-2043 said: I feel we were supposed to move onward to find a more accurate word(s) to who (or who in all) is behind this reality.
The word God is like a mathematical notation, like 1/0 which I was taught means "Undefined." I am not a mathematician and I will not pretend to understand 'transcendental numbers' other than saying that they are defined as being "irrational." The word God denotes a concept of a Reality which is non-rational, yet it is not irrational, but rather transrational. It includes the rational concept but transcends any rational linear description utilizing language of any sort including mathematical language. Mathematical language (again, not my forté) may describe certain symmetries, which in turn suggest a wholeness that intuits the transcendental Reality we commonly call God. A certain symmetry, harmony, synchronicity of spacio-temporal events can all point to a Transcendental Ordering Principle in an otherwise apparently chaotic universe.
I am reminded of certain crop circles, the origin of which remains a mystery, which can be analyzed mathematically, but which also appear as mandalas. Read about what Jung says about mandalas with regard to a psychic wholeness that is the result of transcendental aspects of the psyche, and perhaps the creators of the crop circles are benign in their intentions. Perhaps they are communicating transcendental and even divine intentions. Perhaps not.
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Re: Do you feel the word God was to be as a stepping stone? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#21958975 - 07/18/15 01:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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There is only the one Self and that is God. I don't think it necessarily has to be an amazing feeling to know, but perhaps I am not all the way there. Important thing is, we are heavily equipped for life and we need to live it. We are divine beings. This age is not aware of it.
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Re: Do you feel the word God was to be as a stepping stone? [Re: circastes]
#21958985 - 07/18/15 01:16 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Also important is that to discover the Self is to be fearless, and thus individually empowered beyond belief. A primary reason boundary dissolving hallucinogens are illegal, I imagine. Just try and be a good ruler while no one fears anything. I'm not blaming them...
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Re: Do you feel the word God was to be as a stepping stone? [Re: night_shift]
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Re: Do you feel the word God was to be as a stepping stone? [Re: Nedly]
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Just when I thought I couldn't get enough of a fix for my recent "benevolent alien shit" interest...
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Re: Do you feel the word God was to be as a stepping stone? [Re: circastes]
#21960714 - 07/18/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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There is only the one Self and that is God.
This is Monism. I don't think I am a firm 'believer' in Monism, or in Monotheism (which posits one God, ontologically separate from any human self (or Self), which is also a 'person.' I made up a word once, Monopanentheism. It made sense to me at the time, and I included it in that book I've been talking about for years that I am now having edited. I meant that there is ONE Ultimate Reality (Mono), and It is Present to us, but is neither co-extensive with us (as in Pantheism), nor is can it be considered to be a Super-person (as in Theism) in any but metaphoricak and mythological ways, not in a metaphysical sense. Although petitionary prayer is a valid means of contact, the communication of intention does not rely on our verbal or mental processes, thinking or even telepathy. The situation for which the prayer is made constellates the immediacy of God as Reality is Omnipresent, yet not in any spacio-temporal or substantial way.
"Not to be confused with pantheism. Panentheism (meaning "all-in-God", from the Ancient Greek πᾶν pân ("all"), ἐν en ("in") and Θεός Theós ("God")) is a belief system which posits that the divine – whether as a single God, number of gods, or other form of "cosmic animating force"[1] – interpenetrates every part of the universe and extends, timelessly (and, presumably, spacelessly) beyond it. Unlike pantheism, which holds that the divine and the universe are identical, panentheism maintains a distinction between the divine and non-divine and the significance of both.
In pantheism, the universe and everything included in it is equal to the Divine, but in panentheism, the universe and the divine are not ontologically equivalent. God is viewed as the soul of the universe, the universal spirit present everywhere, in everything and everyone, at all times. Some versions suggest that the universe is nothing more than the manifest part of God. In some forms of panentheism, the cosmos exists within God, who in turn "transcends", "pervades" or is "in" the cosmos. While pantheism asserts that 'All is God', panentheism goes further to claim that God is greater than the universe. In addition, some forms indicate that the universe is contained within God, like in the concept of Tzimtzum. Much Hindu thought is highly characterized by panentheism and pantheism. Hasidic Judaism merges the elite ideal of nullification to paradoxical transcendent Divine Panentheism, through intellectual articulation of inner dimensions of Kabbalah, with the populist emphasis on the panentheistic Divine immanence in everything and deeds of kindness." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panentheism
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Re: Do you feel the word God was to be as a stepping stone? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#21962045 - 07/18/15 07:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks for that Markos very interesting.
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Re: Do you feel the word God was to be as a stepping stone? [Re: circastes]
#21962282 - 07/18/15 08:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks!
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