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Re: Bush Statue toppled in London [Re: enimatpyrt]
    #2147204 - 11/30/03 04:06 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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enimatpyrt said:
LDS, Why do intelligent people like ourselves waste our time with liars who lack the ability to read, let alone think?



Because there are some who will believe him just because they lack the ability to think for themselves.

Letting his foolish statements go unquestioned would leave them believing he knows what he's talking about.


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Re: Bush Statue toppled in London [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2150691 - 12/01/03 09:02 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

TrueBrode acknowledges that "My father is in the top 1% earners," yet somehow manages to claim with what I can only assume is a straight face that, "people that make 200,000-500,000 are getting screwed."

What the fuck? What kind of fucking candyland do you live in where someone making half a million dollars a year is "getting screwed" by any stretch of the imagination. People kill each other on a daily basis for a fraction of that money. How dare you admit that you're in the upper 1% of America's wealthy and then in the next breath ask for pity. Fuck you.


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Re: Bush Statue toppled in London [Re: Shizpow]
    #2150750 - 12/01/03 09:35 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

What kind of fucking candyland do you live in where someone making half a million dollars a year is "getting screwed" by any stretch of the imagination.

because after taxes, more than half of that will probably end up being taken away.

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Re: Bush Statue toppled in London [Re: Shizpow]
    #2151197 - 12/02/03 07:42 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Hey, see here is the problem with you moronic, brainwashed liberal democrats that rather rely on your typical pretentious staple arguments, and tell everyone else what to do with their own money, while making excuses for all the poor people, like they all got screwed over, and never had a chance, when in reality they were never willing to work hard enough. And those poor people barely pay any taxes; they pay less proportionally than the rich do, meaning that the tax system is regressive and in favor of the poor, which is fine, if I had it my way there would be no income tax anyway, which, by the way, the low income earners barely loose much too after returns.

After taxes my father gets half of every dollar he earns. Then factor in living expenses, which are high in the area he lives, and there is not much left. But I guess you believe that you have a right to take anybody?s money, just because you think you know what is best for it; even though you might not mind seeing this country crumble into a socialist dictatorship, some people actually want to keep their sovereignty.

You also seem to think that all people that make a good living do not work for it, that everyone that "made it" was handed everything and spends half their time playing golf and sipping martinis at cocktail parties. Well, let me say that my father grew up in a 5 room house with 6 kids, and started out his life making under a dollar an hour at a sub shop. His first job was 7 thousand a year, then 11 thousand, and he continued to excel in his field because he sacrificed everything for it, I never saw him, never ate dinner as a family. The guy would come home at 8 every night, work for 2 hours, go to sleep, and get up at 4 a.m. the next day and do it all over again, and not many in his place would do that. Now you liberals want to take half his paycheck, b/c YOU think he does not deserve it, squander it, claim the rich do not pay any taxes, and then tell me I live in a candyland- what a joke you guys are.

I never asked for pity asshole, I was making a response to the line that the rich don't pay taxes, trying to state that the people that get hit hardest are the ones that really are not even what the average American would consider "rich," while the super-rich usually make out much better since the tax rate starts to plateau at certain levels.

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Re: Bush Statue toppled in London [Re: TrueBrode]
    #2151458 - 12/02/03 09:41 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

there sure has been a lot of name calling
in this forum lately.

that's not very productive.


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Re: Bush Statue toppled in London [Re: afoaf]
    #2151843 - 12/02/03 12:59 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

There has indeed. I think it would be productive for everyone to take the time to re-read the forum rules again.

I realize that this is a political discussion forum, and that people with strongly-held beliefs will occasionally get a little heated when defending their beliefs. The key word here is "occasionally".

The idea is to defend your beliefs and ideas, or conversely to question beliefs and ideas with which you you disagree. If you want to attack, attack the message, not the messenger. Insulting another poster for perceived character flaws does nothing to further your own case -- disproving his assertions or supporting your own does.

You want to sling insults, take it to PMs or start a thread in Off Topic Discussion.

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Re: Bush Statue toppled in London [Re: TrueBrode]
    #2151969 - 12/02/03 01:51 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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TrueBrode said:
Hey, see here is the problem with you moronic, brainwashed liberal democrats that rather rely on your typical pretentious staple arguments, and tell everyone else what to do with their own money, while making excuses for all the poor people, like they all got screwed over, and never had a chance, when in reality they were never willing to work hard enough.  And those poor people barely pay any taxes; they pay less proportionally than the rich do, meaning that the tax system is regressive and in favor of the poor, which is fine, if I had it my way there would be no income tax anyway, which, by the way, the low income earners barely loose much too after returns.

After taxes my father gets half of every dollar he earns.  Then factor in living expenses, which are high in the area he lives, and there is not much left.  But I guess you believe that you have a right to take anybody?s money, just because you think you know what is best for it; even though you might not mind seeing this country crumble into a socialist dictatorship, some people actually want to keep their sovereignty.   

You also seem to think that all people that make a good living do not work for it, that everyone that "made it" was handed everything and spends half their time playing golf and sipping martinis at cocktail parties.  Well, let me say that my father grew up in a 5 room house with 6 kids, and started out his life making under a dollar an hour at a sub shop.  His first job was 7 thousand a year, then 11 thousand, and he continued to excel in his field because he sacrificed everything for it, I never saw him, never ate dinner as a family.  The guy would come home at 8 every night, work for 2 hours, go to sleep, and get up at 4 a.m. the next day and do it all over again, and not many in his place would do that.  Now you liberals want to take half his paycheck, b/c YOU think he does not deserve it, squander it, claim the rich do not pay any taxes, and then tell me I live in a candyland- what a joke you guys are.

I never asked for pity asshole, I was making a response to the line that the rich don't pay taxes, trying to state that the people that get hit hardest are the ones that really are not even what the average American would consider "rich," while the super-rich usually make out much better since the tax rate starts to plateau at certain levels. 
   




Obviously you don't understand the world. Every rich person is rich because they, at some point in time, abused or maligned some "poor person", usually in conjunction with hurting the environment.  People that have great ideas shouldnt' want to get anything for them, they should want to get money to give to poor people. This way, if we all act like that, in 5 simple years everyone will be rich and driving their ferarris!
*sarcasm*

Good post :smile:


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Re: Bush Statue toppled in London [Re: daussaulit]
    #2194015 - 12/21/03 02:34 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

London Freed from Tyranny, Bush Statue Toppled

(2003-11-20) -- Citizens of London streamed into the streets, filling the air with cheers and celebratory gunfire as a crowd toppled a statue of the infamous tyrant George Bush.

The exuberant mob gave vent to the long suppressed hopes of a people who had suffered for almost three years without freedom under the iron fist of Mr. Bush and his puppet, British Prime Minister Tony Blair.

"I can now speak freely," said one Londoner through tears. "It is like a great darkness has been lifted from us."

The search now begins for the British torture chambers and mass graves which the Bush-Blair regime kept full during their reign of terror. The hunt is also on for the two despots who were last seen entering Mr. Blair's underground bunker at No. 10 Downing Street.

And while leaders in the jubilant crowd called for the immediate institution of democracy in England, U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan urged caution.

"We welcome the fall of these tyrants," said Mr. Annan, "but it is a well-known fact that English-speaking peoples are not advanced enough to rule themselves."


http://www.scrappleface.com/MT/archives/2003_11.html


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Re: Bush Statue toppled in London [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2194099 - 12/21/03 03:48 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

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Alex123 said:
Have you ever considered that perhaps real life experience is more valid than all the stats in those neocon pamphlets you skim through?



I've never skimmed through one so I don't know. I am going by real life experience and statistics. I've already explained to you that I deal with many low income people. They not only get back all the federal income taxes they pay but receive payments in excess of the amount they initialy pay, ie the "Earned Income Credit" and others.





I don't buy that. I'm poor, and I'm very familliar with form 1040 and earned income, and there is no way for anyone to get more back on their taxes than they have paid in.

There are ways to get free money from the government, but that is not one of them.


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Re: Bush Statue toppled in London [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2194110 - 12/21/03 03:55 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Then perhaps you should see an accountant.

Many of my tenants sign their "refund" checks over to me for rent payments. I know where they work and what they make. I fill out assistance forms for these people.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Bush Statue toppled in London [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2194123 - 12/21/03 04:02 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Maybe I should.

But I can tell you that if they are, then they are getting it from the "and others" part. There is no way to get back more than you pay in from just a 1040/1040EZ and Earned income.

How much more do you think they are getting back than they are paying in?


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Re: Bush Statue toppled in London [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2195175 - 12/22/03 06:06 AM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Several hundrd dollars. Even my ex does it.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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