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What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory?
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Did psychedelics facilitate our evolution?
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
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Maybe, I think it's a possibility but if anything it would of only been one of many factors aiding our evolution and not solely from it.
I doubt there can even be any kind of proof one way or the other though.
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It's always a fun concept to ponder, and it's certainly plausible.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: 1234go]
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Yeah maybe if they got stoned and tried to fuck a Neanderthal...
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: 1234go]
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I think it's pretty plausible considering how psychedelics change the way you perceive things so drastically. Maybe our ancestors were stuck in a stage of eveolution and psilocybin gave them a outlook on how to utilize different tools and different methods of obtaining certain foods? vvveerrryyy interesting subject IMO I guess we'll never know
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
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I think a lot of most cave art was psychedelically inspired.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: twelvelookslikeu]
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I agree with both the stoned ape theory as well as the concept of ancient aliens.
Look to those who live in the Amazon. Their technology has been passed down from generation to generation. Of all the stuff growing in the rainforest, how the hell did they discover that the brew of a particular root and certain vine would provide an expansion of consciousness?
There is scientific proof that our species took a giant leap in the development of consciousness around the same time that psilocybin appeared, and I see no other explanation.
If our ancestors were roaming the olden plains, how could they not pass up a potential meal growing where they step. It is obvious that mankind knows of these entheogens, it's just a matter of at which point they discovered them.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: birdeatingspider]
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birdeatingspider said: Look to those who live in the Amazon. Their technology has been passed down from generation to generation. Of all the stuff growing in the rainforest, how the hell did they discover that the brew of a particular root and certain vine would provide an expansion of consciousness?
Dewd you try living in a rainforest your whole life with nothing to do. I'm sure u'd discover some wierd ass shit too eventually.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: birdeatingspider]
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birdeatingspider said: I agree with both the stoned ape theory as well as the concept of ancient aliens.
Look to those who live in the Amazon. Their technology has been passed down from generation to generation. Of all the stuff growing in the rainforest, how the hell did they discover that the brew of a particular root and certain vine would provide an expansion of consciousness?
There is scientific proof that our species took a giant leap in the development of consciousness around the same time that psilocybin appeared, and I see no other explanation.
If our ancestors were roaming the olden plains, how could they not pass up a potential meal growing where they step. It is obvious that mankind knows of these entheogens, it's just a matter of at which point they discovered them.
'And so forth and so on'
I agree. Also every primative group has stories of someone comming from somewhere and teaching them how to run a civilization. Some even living with them for some time. There is deffinitly a push from some outside source.
Good book on the subject http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0517887290/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1437060296&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SY200_QL40&keywords=fingerprints+of+the+gods
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: twelvelookslikeu]
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Your talkin straight outta ur ass
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
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I think that a change in diet could certainly facilitate change in the evolution of man. However, it is a stretch to pick out psychedelic mushrooms as the one food source that made us what we are. There would have been a lot of new food in the diets of apes as the ventured out into the world. The combination of new foods and environment probably caused changes we see today. It's a cool thought though.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: stratocast]
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actually when people settled down in civilizations their brains got smaller. It was prob the agricultural revolution that caused people to settle down in permanent established communities. that or aliens n mushrooms.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: twelvelookslikeu]
#21951136 - 07/16/15 09:41 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fingerprints of the Gods was an intense read, certainly validated a lot of theories in my eyes.
I just got his new book but haven't cracked it yet, it's pretty thick!
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
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I believe in that the aquatic ape theory occurred the. The stoned ape theory finished up the job of getting those apes to become human.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: birdeatingspider]
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I just got his new book but haven't cracked it yet, it's pretty thick!
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: birdeatingspider]
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birdeatingspider said: I agree with both the stoned ape theory as well as the concept of ancient aliens.
There is scientific proof that our species took a giant leap in the development of consciousness around the same time that psilocybin appeared, and I see no other explanation.
Can you link scientific proof for the time psilocybin arrived on the planet? I tried looking and can't find anything other then aztec people probably took them and nothing saying when psilocybin first appeared, also I feel the development of language and agriculture would of been a huge push in consciousness or at least made it possible to push our consciousness to do things it was already capable of.
Aliens is a stretch IMO, and to me it's only slightly more probable then god intervening, and I don't think that happened ever but again it's only my opinion.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: stratocast]
#21951215 - 07/16/15 09:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think ancestors during in the beginng of time must've Been so wrapped up on mushrooms that they referred to them for everything IE : rituals , daily enhancements , hunting/fighting tools , sex , deep connections with consciousness, the earth , animals , other people. Mushrooms possibly helped build personality & character back when people were ape brains. when im trippin I feel like im an actor and everything is cartoonish and fake which may describe the visions of aliens and other cartoonish characters.
Western culture has a fear of the unknown that mushrooms are devil worship and black magic because they are used in indigenous cultures. The youth culture is indigenous to the pale stale males whom push this anti drug agenda so IMO there's a deep,rooted hatred for indigenous people who have a good time without being a corporate slave.
Mushooms provide the free love "Jesus" is suppose to provide so religious fucks get mad when you question their answers because they didnt ask the correct questions.
Idk McKenna is a nut case but the stoned ape theory is plausible because of all the evidence that mushrooms have been used for almost ever.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: JayZ Morgan]
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I'm not sure our animalistic relatives could have conceived of anything like a god without the psychedelic experience
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: Does]
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Complete bunk. A theory without any evidence whatsoever is religion.
It's just an idea that a flaky drug user thought up to make his hobby sound more legitimate.
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Absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. Also, how could you possibly deduce anything about that time period. It's like blindly throwing a dart at a dart board if you ask me.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
#21951345 - 07/16/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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This data is discussed in great detail in Food of the Gods, however I lent my copy out so am unable to cite. I am not too dead set to stand by this, we all know Mckenna spoke out of his ass at times, but I will dig for the info alil later-
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Absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. Also, how could you possibly deduce anything about that time period. It's like blindly throwing a dart at a dart board if you ask me.
Absence of evidence is certainly reason why a theory should be dismissed out of hand.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: koods]
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Absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. Also, how could you possibly deduce anything about that time period. It's like blindly throwing a dart at a dart board if you ask me.
Absence of evidence is certainly reason why a theory should be dismissed out of hand.
We would still be in caves if every human used that logic Where was evidence of the nucleur bomb 200 years ago?
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So the many people falsely imprisoned because their wasn't enough evidence to clear them should just stay because there's no evidence?
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: 1234go]
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Plausible.
But Terrance McKenna is a fucking whack job and has been outed as a fake by his own brother.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: Psychonautica]
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I mean a "Fake" is a far cry from what he was. I'll agree its kinda fucked up to tell people to take heroic doses when you yourself don't adhere to that paradigm. Then again I think he was trying to forward human consciousness. To that end I can kind of understand why he would stand behind his earlier nature.
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Yeah i'm well aware he's got an agenda, i certainly don't put him on a pedestal.
He's just got some interesting ideas.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: 1234go]
#21951501 - 07/16/15 11:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ridiculous. Has been discussed before and I provided an argumentation back then. I don't feel like looking it up so I'll give the short version: delusional crack pot theory lacking Any credible evidence nor a plausible argument.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: koraks]
#21951518 - 07/16/15 11:16 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't think anyone's trying to push it as fact just exploring the possibility
it's undeniable psychedelics have had a great impact on humans, the exact extent we will never know
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: 1234go]
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I'm exploring the possibility it was indeed the theory of a stoned ape.
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Absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. Also, how could you possibly deduce anything about that time period. It's like blindly throwing a dart at a dart board if you ask me.
Absence of evidence is certainly reason why a theory should be dismissed out of hand.
We would still be in caves if every human used that logic Where was evidence of the nucleur bomb 200 years ago?
No there wasn't. And nobody was theorizing about them either.
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Im just curious how one even came across the mushrooms in the first place
by that I don't mean where they found them at. What I mean is, who in their right mind would go walking down a prairie or whatever and would look down at some cow sh*t and see a mushroom growing out of it and think to themselves, "I think I'll eat that"
Not only would you have to eat that one which as well know tastes gruesome as all hell, but you'd have to keep on eating and eating until you had enough in you to actually trip in the first place
so with that said, it blows my mind at the very first ape to actually try this
he must have just had a really bad day or something and said fuk it you know those purple looking things growing out of that wilderbeast sh*t over there, yah im gonna eat that sh*t till i puke fuk it how much worse could life get.
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cool man
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: cube talk]
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Funny you should say that. One of the first well-documented accounts in the western world of psychedelic mushrooms being consumed (ps. semilanceata in this case) was of a British young lad who munched a handful of liberty caps and tripped balls. He suspected they were regular edible mushrooms and was wrong. Pretty likely some caveman made the same mistake. And another couple of hundreds did the same thing over the centuries. Nothing mysterious about that.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: 1234go]
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What. There was evidence to put them in jail. It may have been bad evidence, but people aren't randomly put in jail without it. And yes, someone who has been convicted is going to stay there until some evidence shows they shouldn't be there.
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This whole thread is 
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: koods]
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Absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. Also, how could you possibly deduce anything about that time period. It's like blindly throwing a dart at a dart board if you ask me.
Absence of evidence is certainly reason why a theory should be dismissed out of hand.
We would still be in caves if every human used that logic Where was evidence of the nucleur bomb 200 years ago?
No there wasn't. And nobody was theorizing about them either.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: koraks]
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Like I mentioned earlier its very possible cave art was personal recollection of a trip.

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Even if that's the case, it's no evidence that psychedelics influenced human evolution.
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Yeah i fucked that up, but still...dismissing something because of no "evidence" is kinda thoughtless and rash.
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When it comes to assumptions, I prefer the ones that actually make sense and are consistent with the other knowledge we have.
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So you don't dismiss Christianity?
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: koraks]
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I like to have a functioning mind, it's more useful.
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so you agree with what you read and see on tv by professionals. got it.
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So you don't dismiss Christianity?
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Functioning mind has yet to be seen. Although no one will dismiss it. The lack of evidence doesn't mean you don't have one, apparently.
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#21951629 - 07/16/15 11:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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No.
But all chemicals available in plants/food had an impact.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: 1234go]
#21951636 - 07/16/15 11:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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No tv knowledge here bud, sorry. You don't do well at making assumptions. You're just mad that I don't buy into a crackpot theory. Doesn't bother me. And yes, I did read food of the gods.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: koraks]
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I love listening to Terrence. His descriptions of the dmt experience are spot on and wonderful. But he was wrong about some things. The timewave zero prophecy also proved to be bullshit. He had some wonderful ideas, but they proved to be nothing more than psychedelic induced hallucinations.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: Psychonautica]
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Functioning mind has yet to be seen. Although no one will dismiss it. The lack of evidence doesn't mean you don't have one, apparently.
Over 20000 posts of evidence in fact. Granted, not all of them are high quality. A lot of text wasted on discussing asinine concepts.
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A lot of text discussing asinine topics? you mean this thread?
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Among others. I've seen worse though. U mad? That's cute.
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I'm not mad at all, just making a crack towards you "going with popular beliefs". I haven't read the book either, it's not my theory but an interesting subject to ponder.
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I've seen your posts.
Thinking you have a functioning mind is far more cute.
Actually delusions aren't cute so I take that back. Sorry about your condition bud.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: 1234go]
#21951664 - 07/16/15 11:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Some beliefs are popular because they are consistent with other bits of verified knowledge we have. And I did read the book and the 'evidence' presented is ludicrous.
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#21951667 - 07/16/15 11:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why isn't your functioning mind ever capable of thinking for itself?
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Psychonautica said: I've seen your posts.
Thinking you have a functioning mind is far more cute.
Actually delusions aren't cute so I take that back. Sorry about your condition bud.
You like the ad hominem argumentation style, don't you? Come back when you can properly discuss a topic based on its contents.
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Psychonautica said: Why isn't your functioning mind ever capable of thinking for itself?
Brah i'll fk you up if you diss on Koraks  m8 U STONED APE
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I don't believe in the stoned ape theory I've just seen koraks agree with the masses in every single thread.
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Those look like the aimless doodles my mom used to make when talking on the phone. Nothing about that seems inherent to psychedelics.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: Psychonautica]
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Please tell me more about the homogeneous masses. I'd love to hear about your views on the unified truth, as I'm utterly incapable of independent thinking.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: Beanhead]
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Does anyone think humans could conceive of a higher power without psychedelics?
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#21951704 - 07/16/15 11:58 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Is that a serious question?
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so no one thinks there was even the slightest possibility that psilocybin played a small role in our evolution? I personally don't like Terrence mekkena but I just find this one thought to be interestingQuote:
drege said: http://www.lycaeum.org/~sputnik/McKenna/Evolution/ Still a better (more plausible) story than

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I did. It's just not the spark that started everything. You can't pinpoint everything to one chemical. All chemicals had a play. From the grass one ate to the fruits one picked. The flesh consumed to the sand inbetween teeth.
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#21951730 - 07/16/15 12:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: koods]
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People take it for granted A primitive being with only survival on its mind is not going to conceive of a higher power in my opinion Maybe the sharing of this knowledge led to larger groups ushering in a new stage of human history
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: drege]
#21951739 - 07/16/15 12:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Maybe they're not mushrooms and people really really liked dicks.
Look at how many school age kids draw dicks on stuff now a days. Has anything really changed?
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Except that they look more like mushrooms.
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There's a pretty hefty and long history of psychedelic use in the early Americas, but I doubt it created any evolutionary pressure. I'd believe that psychedelics were involved in cultural evolution to some extent, but not in our recent (past hundred thousand years or so) biological evolution. Maybe the accidental use of certain drugs like alcohol helped us evolve better ways to metabolize drugs so we could be less dysfunction from their use, but past that I'm not seeing any biological evolutionary pressure. A monkey that eats shrooms would not be drawing on a wall. It would make weird sounds, stare off into space for a while, and probably try to sleep. That makes the animal more likely to die, and evolution, if it had any significant role here, would select animals that were resistant to those effects. Even today most people can't handle psychedelics. They panic and get traumatized under their effect. Why would dumber more ape-like people get more value out of psychs than we do when they have less capability to handle them productively?
There are more plausible guesses as to how we became able to draw and think abstractly and such. Psychs are only valuable when you've got the capabilities to handle them. Otherwise they're poisonous.
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Maybe they're not mushrooms and people really really liked dicks.
Look at how many school age kids draw dicks on stuff now a days. Has anything really changed?
I think those are mushrooms, but dicks were a way bigger deal in art and have been all throughout recorded history. Maybe the dick love was an evolutionary effect created by eating shrooms. It would help explain why shrooms make you gay.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: 1234go]
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So there's a super accessible food that just grows out of the ground and you think our ancestors never ate them? There's already been well documented cases of tribes using psychedelics so why couldn't have it gone back to where our evolution started?
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Where, and how did you draw that conclusion from anything I've said in here?
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People take it for granted A primitive being with only survival on its mind is not going to conceive of a higher power in my opinion
That is exactly what a primitive being will do when it can't explain why things happen.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: 1234go]
#21951798 - 07/16/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I was just speaking in general to everyone
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Also primitive man had progressively smaller and smaller cranium housing a smaller and smaller brain, why else would homo erectus or whatever in a span of a few hundred thusand years develop this brain we have now? Visual acuity, CNS stimulation, intense religious like trips? oh yea, that could DEFINITELY springboard synaptic revolution leading to an unprecedented sized cerebral cortex.
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Glad someone came in here sharp enough to use all the words and examples i could not.
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Explain how psychedelics played a role in passing that trait onto the next generations.
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How does a drug influence these changes? I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding about how evolution works.
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No one will ever truly know, and i'm not saying they did. Just playing devils advocate.
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Well you come up with an argument for why the human brain had the largest spike in cranial size in the shortest amount of time (around 2 million years) out of pretty much any other organism is the animal kingdom. I mean seriously, you can't just be like, "This couldn't have happened because.". There are definitely evolutionary advantages to early humans using psilocybin in terms of visual acuity, sexual prowess, philosophical and linguistic thought processes.
I don't see why it just COULDN'T be a possibility.
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Evolution is based on genetic variations being passed down to future generations. Drug use does not alter your genetic code. Random mutations do. If psychedelics happen to make a certain genetic code more beneficial to the genome that still wouldn't affect all the changes people seem to attribute to them. It would just make us more dependent on psychedelics.
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TMK already laid the groundwork out; I'm just blindly regurgitating the mantra. Increased CNS (central nervous system) stimulation causes higher percentile offspring (think of clan of the cave bear) If I as a mushroom using caveman, eat 1 or 2 mushrooms, hunt (with increased visual acuity) bring more food home, I am a better (perceived) stronger worthy lover and my offspring I bestow the blessings of the savannah, passages of rite, partaking of the giver of the mystical wisdom, generation upon generation of mushroom eating hunter/gatherers. The ice recedes further, the plains turn arid, we attempt to preserve the boomers, they turn to alcahol, alcohol produces possessiveness, we realize that like seeds strewn in last years camp produce once foraged foods, we discover agriculture, we learn paternity.
I'll admit; mushrooms as THE catalyst is a stretch, but its not illogical, its not improbable, its not by any means ridiculous - unlike every major religion ever in history.
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1234go said: No one will ever truly know, and i'm not saying they did. Just playing devils advocate.
I would have liked to spend a couple years in the library of Alexandria.Quote:
TheGreenArrow said: Well you come up with an argument for why the human brain had the largest spike in cranial size in the shortest amount of time (around 2 million years) out of pretty much any other organism is the animal kingdom. I mean seriously, you can't just be like, "This couldn't have happened because.". There are definitely evolutionary advantages to early humans using psilocybin in terms of visual acuity, sexual prowess, philosophical and linguistic thought processes.
I don't see why it just COULDN'T be a possibility.
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Evolution is based on genetic variations being passed down to future generations. Drug use does not alter your genetic code. Random mutations do. If psychedelics happen to make a certain genetic code more beneficial to the genome that still wouldn't affect all the changes people seem to attribute to them. It would just make us more dependent on psychedelics.
Dude, did your parents ever teach you anything? Whats the chances that that lesson was passed down at least one or more times throughout your ancestry?
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: TheGreenArrow]
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Human brains are continuously remodeled by environmental forces and by the enormous sum of information generated by human inventiveness. The hyper connectivity on psychedlics could definitely have some impact on evolution of the brain.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: koods]
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I thought they've found some signs that psilocybin facilitates brain growth and regeneration
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: koods]
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Even if epigenetics played a role, the source of the actual mutations would have had to be a different one as psychedelics don't alter DNA. And then I'm even stepping over the issue of psylocybin being extremely unlikely to be an epigenetics agent from a chemical viewpoint. The epigenetics route is the most plausible explanation for the stoned ape theory and even that is a dead end.
And drege, lessons learned from ones parents are not an example of evolution.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: koods]
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As for a spike in intelligence and brain size, once humans started to use their hands to build tools, intelligence became a much more important factor in survival. Smart people lived long enough to have lots of kids. The evolutionary pressure would have been immense and change would have occurred rapidly on an evolutionary time scale.
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It's just an idea that a flaky drug user thought up to make his hobby sound more legitimate.
Gordon R Wasson was a flaky drug user?
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: koods] 1
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So your telling me that the knowledge that diamond back rattler snakes can inflict fatal bites is irrelevant, are you telling me that not ever has the knowledge been passed down that a rattling noise and diamond patterns along legless scaled body is not part of evolution? You think that all evolution is purely physical? Newsflash, physical evolution hasn't really happened in a long time, the most recent one is shedding of body hair, currently we are shedding our need for solid calcified nails on our hands and feet. How many people do you know that have rubbery pinky toe nails? The most dramatic and important evolution in the homo branch of fauna has been based within the brain. Mostly in the form of memes. Snakes and spiders can kill you if your bitten by them.
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Not to mention the development within chimp culture the world over to use tools. There was a study in the last 20 or so years, where they were teaching chimps to use tools, now without the human>chimp or chimp>chimp spreading of these memes there is chimpansis all over the world using tools.
http://www.animalplanet.com/tv-shows/jane-goodall/videos/almost-human-chimps-human-tools/
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: drege]
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drege said: So your telling me that the knowledge that diamond back rattler snakes can inflict fatal bites is irrelevant, are you telling me that not ever has the knowledge been passed down that a rattling noise and diamond patterns along legless scaled body is not part of evolution? You think that all evolution is purely physical? Newsflash, physical evolution hasn't really happened in a long time, the most recent one is shedding of body hair, currently we are shedding our need for solid calcified nails on our hands and feet. How many people do you know that have rubbery pinky toe nails? The most dramatic and important evolution in the homo branch of fauna has been based within the brain. Mostly in the form of memes. Snakes and spiders can kill you if your bitten by them.
If you're going to talk about memes, maybe you should read the "Selfish Gene" where Dawkins introduced the idea of memes. If you read the book you would understand that memes are responsible for CULTURAL evolution, not genetic evolution.
As for snakes, it is debatable whether we have an instinct that they are harmful, but don't confuse instinct with actual knowledge. Fear of an animal that can kill you can result for purely genetic reasons: someone who is has a gene that makes them more fearful of snakes would have a better chance of surviving long enough to pass that gene on to the next generation. That person would have no idea that a snake was actually dangerous or not. Horses are afraid of snakes. What book of knowledge did a horse read to find out that snakes could he dangerous?
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: drege]
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drege said: Not to mention the development within chimp culture the world over to use tools. There was a study in the last 20 or so years, where they were teaching chimps to use tools, now without the human>chimp or chimp>chimp spreading of these memes there is chimpansis all over the world using tools.
The use of tools by chimps was observed by Jane Goodall in 1960s when she was studying chimps in the wild.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: koraks]
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And maybe after a million years these tool using apes will be the ancestors of another highly intelligent species, but what is important is that using the tools doesn't change the genes of that ape. The genes change through random mutation (getting hit with a high energy particle from the sun, for example) and the behavior simply makes it more likely that the gene will be passed on to the next generation.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: koods]
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koods said: And maybe after a million years these tool using apes will be the ancestors of another highly intelligent species, but what is important is that using the tools doesn't change the genes of that ape. The genes change through random mutation (getting hit with a high energy particle from the sun, for example) and the behavior simply makes it more likely that the gene will be passed on to the next generation.
This is ignorant in the way that its like saying cars only work because of gasoline.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: drege]
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You fail to grasp what 'evolution' means, refrain from being specific about any of the underlying mechanisms that your implicit assumptions require, present demonstrably false arguments and then call koods 'ignorant'? Now that requires a big pair.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: koods]
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koods said: Is that a serious question?
People take it for granted A primitive being with only survival on its mind is not going to conceive of a higher power in my opinion
That is exactly what a primitive being will do when it can't explain why things happen.
The ones you are referring to dont create the option it's given
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: koods]
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koods said: Complete bunk. A theory without any evidence whatsoever is religion.
It's just an idea that a flaky drug user thought up to make his hobby sound more legitimate.
Gordon R Wasson was a flaky drug user?
Ahem..
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: lowbrow]
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Yea I'll take my chances. You seem to have the full power of the internet at your disposal yet you hold fast your preconceptions about one singular aspect of socio/biological progression. Seems you may have migrated over here from OTD or something, could that be another aspect of evolution?
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: drege]
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Who you talking to?
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: lowbrow]
#21954555 - 07/17/15 01:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Koraks, I'm bored with this thread. I'm out of here, I'm taking shit too seriously; I can't change anybody's minds.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: drege]
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You might have if you had offered a credible argument, but your posts seem mostly based on misconceptions.
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#21954615 - 07/17/15 02:30 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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And yours aren't? Go look at the bullshit you spewed in the unlock a phone thread.
You have absolutely know idea what you're talking about and you post like you have some higher authority on every subject you walk into and degrade other members like it's you're job. It's absolutely ridiculous how painfully ignorant you are dude.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: Psychonautica]
#21954623 - 07/17/15 02:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Psychonautica said: And yours aren't? Go look at the bullshit you spewed in the unlock a phone thread.
That has nothing to do with this topic and you're welcome to point out where I'm wrong in that thread. As you are here, but you simply choose to say I'm wrong and not explain why or how you believe it works. You're free to discuss the topic at hand but my ears are deaf to your ad hominem remarks.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: koraks]
#21954626 - 07/17/15 02:34 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Your ears are just deaf and you could have left it at that. You never have any idea what you're talking about yet act like you have a PhD in every subject you ever mention.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: Psychonautica]
#21954630 - 07/17/15 02:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Blahblahblah. How does evolution work and how does that offer support for the stoned ape theory? Let's hear it. My ears are fully functioning when it comes to that. But still no relevant remarks from your end.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: koraks]
#21954635 - 07/17/15 02:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Talking to yourself again?
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: Psychonautica]
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Better than talking to random people and mixing up their posts.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: koraks]
#21954647 - 07/17/15 02:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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You're both more ignorant than shits I take. It's understandable how I confused you two. Not going to apologize for it because the things I said apply to you as well.
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listen i know everything... take it from me.
as well.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: Psychonautica]
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So now we know how excellent your reading skills are, we have a good indication of your ability to process information and the fact that your opinion is just a collection of random ramblings. No need to apologize for your incompetence; it's yours to deal with.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: koraks]
#21954660 - 07/17/15 02:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm sorry that all you sound alike.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: Psychonautica]
#21954664 - 07/17/15 02:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Go back to bed. You obviously had a bad night or you didn't get laid.
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#21954667 - 07/17/15 02:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fuck, I suppose if I had been posting here for 12 years at a rate of 2000 post a year I guess probably be as much of an asshole as you. So you got the seniority but your jaded as fuck.
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If by 'jaded' you mean baffled by the lack of ability to reason or learn by the teenagers that populate this forum, then yes. Discussions like these can actually help you to learn something (they did help me in the same way) if you can get past the point where you can only attack the person instead of debating the actual topic at hand.
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He also has a PhD bruh. Obviously .Quote:
koraks said: I actually have a PhD on the dynamics of innovation, one of my primary cases being the lithography industry. Nice of you to do a little Web search, but it's no substitute for the actual research (both theoretical and empirical) I've done. Do yourself a favor and drop the subject.
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koraks is a good poster/ex-mod.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: akira_akuma]
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"My research I've done myself is better than the actual research you posted"
Yeah what a great intellectual argument.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: Psychonautica]
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Wrong thread. And yes, my research on the topic you refer to is more extensive and in depth than the Web page you regurgitated. But since you obviously don't know what research looks like, I might as well try to explain this to my cats.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
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I've believed in the Stoned Ape Theory prior to ever even hearing about it.
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koraks said: Wrong thread. And yes, my research on the topic you refer to is more extensive and in depth
You're delusional
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Pff that's just hilarious mate
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: Psychonautica]
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Psychonautica said: "My research I've done myself is better than the actual research you posted"
Yeah what a great intellectual argument.
explaining something for the umpteenth time on a message board to some newb...very hard to do. just sayin'.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: akira_akuma]
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It's not so much about explaining as about the cheap form of character murder by an ill-informed 20-something who can't handle the fact that someone knows more about a topic than he can Google in a few minutes and points out how he mixed up the post of two people. There's no need for him to be so insecure, but there are more elegant ways to deal with facing his own mistakes.
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#21954723 - 07/17/15 03:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Had a big thing typed out, changed my mind. Koraks; do you believe there is even a shred of a possibility that monkeys ate boomers and lead to current day human civilization? How about you Psychonautica? I for one am a believer, because it offers more tangible scientific evidence than some all powerful invisible man in the clouds that pulled ribs out of golems and breathed life into them after creating the entire universe in a matter of days. It also offers a vast multitude of metaphysical shit witch is at worst entertaining to toy with, isn't that why most of us are here? most of us have eaten mushrooms and found them to be interesting for one reason or another.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: drege]
#21954728 - 07/17/15 03:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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The only thing you have a PhD in is making shit up on the Internet.
If you've done so much research and have a vast array of sources to gather this knowledge. Please post them and enlighten me instead of just saying "I know more than any sources you could find so you're wrong"
That's absolutely retarded to do.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: koraks]
#21954729 - 07/17/15 03:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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koraks said: It's not so much about explaining as about the cheap form of character murder by an ill-informed 20-something who can't handle the fact that someone knows more about a topic than he can Google in a few minutes and points out how he mixed up the post of two people. There's no need for him to be so insecure, but there are more elegant ways to deal with facing his own mistakes.
well, paint me pink and call me a vagina, i think we've got a winner.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: Psychonautica]
#21954734 - 07/17/15 03:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I will however play into this a little bit; when you reply to a post, you might do well to select their name from the dropdown list above the reply field.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: drege]
#21954736 - 07/17/15 03:28 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's pretty obvious who I'm replying to so I don't feel I need to take the time to do that. Nor do I care to
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: Psychonautica]
#21954775 - 07/17/15 04:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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drege said: Had a big thing typed out, changed my mind. Koraks; do you believe there is even a shred of a possibility that monkeys ate boomers and lead to current day human civilization?
Well, yes, a shred of a possibility, a one in a billion chance. From a cultural perspective, I'm very willing to believe that psychedelics have influenced our culture at several points in our history; we have recent examples that illustrate this. But that doesn't make for an evolutionary effect...
From a biological/evolutionary perspective, it's much more uncertain, to the point of being quite unlikely (but not entirely impossible). It would depend on a range of mechanisms for which we currently have no indication that they actually exist and that seem to have little to no foundation in any evidence we have so far. These include the influence of cultural development on biological evolution, and/or any epigenetics effects of psychedelics on human biology combined with an unknown (and currently unlikely) lasting effect throughout generations. You could build an argument around psychedelics paying a role in creating a cultural context in which certain genes winning over others where this wouldn't have been the case if psychedelics hadn't been around, but this argument relies on a million assumptions and conditions for which there is virtually no evidence, let alone firm evidence.
The reason why I qualified the stoned ape theory as a crackpot theory is because of the above (it's just highly unlikely that psychedelics played a significant role in human evolution given the lack of any credible mechanisms on how this would work) and the way McKenna built and presented his theory. I'm all for original and groundbreaking theories, but McKenna's theory is more an intellectual leap of faith or wishful thinking than an actual theory, and the evidence he present is spotty and open to many conflicting explanations. The ice is so thin that it's nearly invisible. I view the stoned ape theory as an amusing and for some probably inspiring thought experiment, but not as a very credible theory, particularly in the face of other theories that just seem to hold much more water.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: koraks]
#21954794 - 07/17/15 04:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Isn't the syntax-laden system the kind of thing Mckenna is always talking about with DMT/shrooms that the entities want you to make language?
Human language evolved with a ‘Big Bang’, study says
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Prevailing theories suggest that human language evolved slowly from a series of simple grunts and noises, to a complex spoken language between 75,000 and 100,000 years ago.
But now, according to a new study in the journal Frontiers in Psychology, researchers believe the rise of complex language took place relatively rapidly, not as a series of gradual changes as has been described previously.
The Big Bang of language
Some scholars have argued that we first started using a kind of “proto-language” before developing a language that included syntax, or rules that organized word and sentence structures. In the new study, researchers said some words show signs that they descended from a syntax-laden system, not just a collection of simple grunts and sounds.
Study author Shigeru Miyagawa, a linguistics professor at MIT, told redOrbit via email that cognitive developments in the brain allowed for the quick rise of complex language.
[STORY: Fossil jaw pushes human origins back 400,00 years]
“One way to think about this is that the brain, which had been growing ever larger for over a million years, at some point 75,000 to 100,000 years ago, hit a critical point, and all the resources that nature had provided came together in a Big Bang and language emerged pretty much as we know it today,” Miyagawa wrote. “It looks counterintuitive given how enormously complex language is, but when one considers that the brain was getting ready for it for more than million years, it isn’t too far-fetched.”
“This is also around the time that you see other higher-cognitive achievements, such as painted and carved art, refined tools, and sophisticated weapons,” he noted.
Strange apes
In support of their hypothesis, the researchers wrote in their study that even a single word can be “as complex as an entire phrase.”
For example, Miyagawa said, the word “nationalization” starts with “nation,” a noun; adds “-al” to form an adjective; adds “-iz(a)” to create a verb; and ends with “-tion,” to make yet another noun with a completely new meaning. The study authors noted that these same syntax rules can be found in Romance languages that have been previously described as coming from formless proto-language.
[STORY: Spanish is the happiest language; Chinese could be happier]
In writing to redOrbit, Miyagawa emphasized that something must have ‘clicked’ in the expanding brains of humans that allowed us to start putting together the complex language were speak, hear and read today.
“Alfred Russel Wallace, cofounder with Darwin of the idea of evolution through natural selection, noted that by natural evolution, we ought have a brain that’s just a bit better than that of the apes,” he wrote. “Yet, what we ended up with is a brain that is way more powerful than it should be if it were just part of natural selection.”
“There are many disagreements about language, but one thing that virtually everyone agrees on is that humans are the sole owners of such a complex and rich system,” Miyagawa added. “There has never been anything like it before and nothing since, except in our species.”
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
#21954796 - 07/17/15 04:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I definitely think the stoned ape theory makes sense, even if there isn't much direct evidence for it. I mean, to be fair, it's a difficult hypothesis to gather evidence either for or against. But I think it's clear that psychedelics were widely used in human prehistory, there are mummies buried with psychedelic drugs that go back many thousands of years. AFAIK Homo sapiens or a close ancestor had existed for tens of thousands of years before they started actually speaking languages, which does seem to suggest that this event occurred rapidly and spontaneously. Psychedelics seem like a viable explanation to me. But I am not an expert in any of these fields.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: Eggtimer]
#21954808 - 07/17/15 04:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Eggtimer said: Isn't the syntax-laden system the kind of thing Mckenna is always talking about with DMT/shrooms that the entities want you to make language?
Possibly, but why couldn't it be just an inherent aspect of the ape brain that was emphasized and further selected and developed as a result of our need to communicate in a hunter-gatherer lifestyle? Apes communicate vocally as well, as do most other species, and our adaptation to our living conditions required more complex communication, so that ability gained relative importance in sexual selection. In that line of thought, psychedelics don't necessarily come in. It's nice to throw them in there if you're fond of psychedelics, but I'm wary of building theory on the basis of a desire the legitimate one's own behavior. It doesn't necessarily result in bad theory, but it does bring the risk of a huge bias, which is very apparent in the way McKenna cherry-picked and interpreted his evidence.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: koraks]
#21954833 - 07/17/15 05:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Totally could be. I don't think it would just be either or but both. If we are able to ever simulate the human brain on a computer we can make a fake environment for it and see what happens when it encounters psychoactive substances. They think people of the amazon may of learned to make aya by watching jaguars eat the different leaves.
I wish they could do research on this things with people in a MRI or something. I had an experience one time on DMT where words triggered flashes of images relating to the word and relating words in an instant while I was hearing the words. It seems obvious but I never really considered how language must work in the brain before then.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: Eggtimer]
#21954862 - 07/17/15 05:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Y'all I'm serious, like forty thousand years ago humans from the north, like Asians and Caucasians interbred with Neanderthals, resulting in an approximate three percent of our current genome. It coincides with a lot of stuff. From there humans were then able to domesticate themselves, essentially turning themselves from wolves to dogs. It's interesting to note that Africans have zero percent Neanderthal because of geographic restrictions.
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Only meaning they are more pure perhaps
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
#21954867 - 07/17/15 05:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Psychedelics are like red peppers, an aversive stimulus which can become an acquired taste to someone who has sufficient intelligence already.
Red peppers and psychedelics by nature are DANGER! DO NOT TOUCH! to your lessed developed brain parts. You can learn to enjoy them and achieve benefit from the conquest though.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: Asante] 1
#21955100 - 07/17/15 08:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I all of you and your differing points you bring. I know we can intelegently comunicate these things. Koraks, I should have suggested a darwinian approach to evolution; Quote:
according to Darwin's theory of evolution, organisms that are better adapted to their environment tend to survive longer and transmit more of their genetic characteristics to succeeding generations than do those that are less well adapted.
Yes it a goddamn stretch, yes its biased, and ohgoddamnright I wish there was big science involved in entheogens, MRI's and or some kind of comprehensive genome sequencing or benchmarking interpolating with our favorite substances to learn their true impact throughtout time, strike one more failure due to religion; the systematic suppression of perceived dangerous drug study, there should be entire fields devoted to them. And yea, McKenna was a fucking crackpot, good for you taking info/ideas with a grain of salt as to who its coming from; you wouldn't take the word of god as truth from the rev al sharpton or george bush Sr now would you?
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