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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: Psychonautica]
#21954654 - 07/17/15 02:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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So now we know how excellent your reading skills are, we have a good indication of your ability to process information and the fact that your opinion is just a collection of random ramblings. No need to apologize for your incompetence; it's yours to deal with.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: koraks]
#21954660 - 07/17/15 02:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm sorry that all you sound alike.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: Psychonautica]
#21954664 - 07/17/15 02:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Go back to bed. You obviously had a bad night or you didn't get laid.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: koraks] 1
#21954667 - 07/17/15 02:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fuck, I suppose if I had been posting here for 12 years at a rate of 2000 post a year I guess probably be as much of an asshole as you. So you got the seniority but your jaded as fuck.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: drege]
#21954679 - 07/17/15 03:02 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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If by 'jaded' you mean baffled by the lack of ability to reason or learn by the teenagers that populate this forum, then yes. Discussions like these can actually help you to learn something (they did help me in the same way) if you can get past the point where you can only attack the person instead of debating the actual topic at hand.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: drege]
#21954680 - 07/17/15 03:02 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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He also has a PhD bruh. Obviously .Quote:
koraks said: I actually have a PhD on the dynamics of innovation, one of my primary cases being the lithography industry. Nice of you to do a little Web search, but it's no substitute for the actual research (both theoretical and empirical) I've done. Do yourself a favor and drop the subject.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: Psychonautica]
#21954683 - 07/17/15 03:03 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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koraks is a good poster/ex-mod.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: akira_akuma]
#21954689 - 07/17/15 03:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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"My research I've done myself is better than the actual research you posted"
Yeah what a great intellectual argument.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: Psychonautica]
#21954700 - 07/17/15 03:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wrong thread. And yes, my research on the topic you refer to is more extensive and in depth than the Web page you regurgitated. But since you obviously don't know what research looks like, I might as well try to explain this to my cats.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
#21954704 - 07/17/15 03:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've believed in the Stoned Ape Theory prior to ever even hearing about it.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: koraks]
#21954707 - 07/17/15 03:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
koraks said: Wrong thread. And yes, my research on the topic you refer to is more extensive and in depth
You're delusional
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: Psychonautica]
#21954708 - 07/17/15 03:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Pff that's just hilarious mate
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: Psychonautica]
#21954709 - 07/17/15 03:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Psychonautica said: "My research I've done myself is better than the actual research you posted"
Yeah what a great intellectual argument.
explaining something for the umpteenth time on a message board to some newb...very hard to do. just sayin'.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: akira_akuma]
#21954713 - 07/17/15 03:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's not so much about explaining as about the cheap form of character murder by an ill-informed 20-something who can't handle the fact that someone knows more about a topic than he can Google in a few minutes and points out how he mixed up the post of two people. There's no need for him to be so insecure, but there are more elegant ways to deal with facing his own mistakes.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: Shroomopotamus]
#21954723 - 07/17/15 03:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Had a big thing typed out, changed my mind. Koraks; do you believe there is even a shred of a possibility that monkeys ate boomers and lead to current day human civilization? How about you Psychonautica? I for one am a believer, because it offers more tangible scientific evidence than some all powerful invisible man in the clouds that pulled ribs out of golems and breathed life into them after creating the entire universe in a matter of days. It also offers a vast multitude of metaphysical shit witch is at worst entertaining to toy with, isn't that why most of us are here? most of us have eaten mushrooms and found them to be interesting for one reason or another.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: drege]
#21954728 - 07/17/15 03:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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The only thing you have a PhD in is making shit up on the Internet.
If you've done so much research and have a vast array of sources to gather this knowledge. Please post them and enlighten me instead of just saying "I know more than any sources you could find so you're wrong"
That's absolutely retarded to do.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: koraks]
#21954729 - 07/17/15 03:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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koraks said: It's not so much about explaining as about the cheap form of character murder by an ill-informed 20-something who can't handle the fact that someone knows more about a topic than he can Google in a few minutes and points out how he mixed up the post of two people. There's no need for him to be so insecure, but there are more elegant ways to deal with facing his own mistakes.
well, paint me pink and call me a vagina, i think we've got a winner.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: Psychonautica]
#21954734 - 07/17/15 03:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I will however play into this a little bit; when you reply to a post, you might do well to select their name from the dropdown list above the reply field.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: drege]
#21954736 - 07/17/15 03:28 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's pretty obvious who I'm replying to so I don't feel I need to take the time to do that. Nor do I care to
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: Psychonautica]
#21954775 - 07/17/15 04:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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drege said: Had a big thing typed out, changed my mind. Koraks; do you believe there is even a shred of a possibility that monkeys ate boomers and lead to current day human civilization?
Well, yes, a shred of a possibility, a one in a billion chance. From a cultural perspective, I'm very willing to believe that psychedelics have influenced our culture at several points in our history; we have recent examples that illustrate this. But that doesn't make for an evolutionary effect...
From a biological/evolutionary perspective, it's much more uncertain, to the point of being quite unlikely (but not entirely impossible). It would depend on a range of mechanisms for which we currently have no indication that they actually exist and that seem to have little to no foundation in any evidence we have so far. These include the influence of cultural development on biological evolution, and/or any epigenetics effects of psychedelics on human biology combined with an unknown (and currently unlikely) lasting effect throughout generations. You could build an argument around psychedelics paying a role in creating a cultural context in which certain genes winning over others where this wouldn't have been the case if psychedelics hadn't been around, but this argument relies on a million assumptions and conditions for which there is virtually no evidence, let alone firm evidence.
The reason why I qualified the stoned ape theory as a crackpot theory is because of the above (it's just highly unlikely that psychedelics played a significant role in human evolution given the lack of any credible mechanisms on how this would work) and the way McKenna built and presented his theory. I'm all for original and groundbreaking theories, but McKenna's theory is more an intellectual leap of faith or wishful thinking than an actual theory, and the evidence he present is spotty and open to many conflicting explanations. The ice is so thin that it's nearly invisible. I view the stoned ape theory as an amusing and for some probably inspiring thought experiment, but not as a very credible theory, particularly in the face of other theories that just seem to hold much more water.
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