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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: drege] 1
#21951945 - 07/16/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Not to mention the development within chimp culture the world over to use tools. There was a study in the last 20 or so years, where they were teaching chimps to use tools, now without the human>chimp or chimp>chimp spreading of these memes there is chimpansis all over the world using tools.
http://www.animalplanet.com/tv-shows/jane-goodall/videos/almost-human-chimps-human-tools/
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: drege]
#21952068 - 07/16/15 01:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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drege said: So your telling me that the knowledge that diamond back rattler snakes can inflict fatal bites is irrelevant, are you telling me that not ever has the knowledge been passed down that a rattling noise and diamond patterns along legless scaled body is not part of evolution? You think that all evolution is purely physical? Newsflash, physical evolution hasn't really happened in a long time, the most recent one is shedding of body hair, currently we are shedding our need for solid calcified nails on our hands and feet. How many people do you know that have rubbery pinky toe nails? The most dramatic and important evolution in the homo branch of fauna has been based within the brain. Mostly in the form of memes. Snakes and spiders can kill you if your bitten by them.
If you're going to talk about memes, maybe you should read the "Selfish Gene" where Dawkins introduced the idea of memes. If you read the book you would understand that memes are responsible for CULTURAL evolution, not genetic evolution.
As for snakes, it is debatable whether we have an instinct that they are harmful, but don't confuse instinct with actual knowledge. Fear of an animal that can kill you can result for purely genetic reasons: someone who is has a gene that makes them more fearful of snakes would have a better chance of surviving long enough to pass that gene on to the next generation. That person would have no idea that a snake was actually dangerous or not. Horses are afraid of snakes. What book of knowledge did a horse read to find out that snakes could he dangerous?
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: drege]
#21952097 - 07/16/15 01:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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drege said: Not to mention the development within chimp culture the world over to use tools. There was a study in the last 20 or so years, where they were teaching chimps to use tools, now without the human>chimp or chimp>chimp spreading of these memes there is chimpansis all over the world using tools.
The use of tools by chimps was observed by Jane Goodall in 1960s when she was studying chimps in the wild.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: koraks]
#21952115 - 07/16/15 01:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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And maybe after a million years these tool using apes will be the ancestors of another highly intelligent species, but what is important is that using the tools doesn't change the genes of that ape. The genes change through random mutation (getting hit with a high energy particle from the sun, for example) and the behavior simply makes it more likely that the gene will be passed on to the next generation.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: koods]
#21952141 - 07/16/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: And maybe after a million years these tool using apes will be the ancestors of another highly intelligent species, but what is important is that using the tools doesn't change the genes of that ape. The genes change through random mutation (getting hit with a high energy particle from the sun, for example) and the behavior simply makes it more likely that the gene will be passed on to the next generation.
This is ignorant in the way that its like saying cars only work because of gasoline.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: drege]
#21952153 - 07/16/15 01:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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You fail to grasp what 'evolution' means, refrain from being specific about any of the underlying mechanisms that your implicit assumptions require, present demonstrably false arguments and then call koods 'ignorant'? Now that requires a big pair.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: koods]
#21952189 - 07/16/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: Is that a serious question?
People take it for granted A primitive being with only survival on its mind is not going to conceive of a higher power in my opinion
That is exactly what a primitive being will do when it can't explain why things happen.
The ones you are referring to dont create the option it's given
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: koods]
#21952222 - 07/16/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: Complete bunk. A theory without any evidence whatsoever is religion.
It's just an idea that a flaky drug user thought up to make his hobby sound more legitimate.
Gordon R Wasson was a flaky drug user?
Ahem..
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: lowbrow]
#21952351 - 07/16/15 03:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yea I'll take my chances. You seem to have the full power of the internet at your disposal yet you hold fast your preconceptions about one singular aspect of socio/biological progression. Seems you may have migrated over here from OTD or something, could that be another aspect of evolution?
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: drege]
#21954484 - 07/17/15 12:26 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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drege said: Yea I'll take my chances. You seem to have the full power of the internet at your disposal yet you hold fast your preconceptions about one singular aspect of socio/biological progression. Seems you may have migrated over here from OTD or something, could that be another aspect of evolution?
Who you talking to?
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: lowbrow]
#21954555 - 07/17/15 01:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Koraks, I'm bored with this thread. I'm out of here, I'm taking shit too seriously; I can't change anybody's minds.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: drege]
#21954587 - 07/17/15 02:02 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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You might have if you had offered a credible argument, but your posts seem mostly based on misconceptions.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: koraks] 1
#21954615 - 07/17/15 02:30 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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And yours aren't? Go look at the bullshit you spewed in the unlock a phone thread.
You have absolutely know idea what you're talking about and you post like you have some higher authority on every subject you walk into and degrade other members like it's you're job. It's absolutely ridiculous how painfully ignorant you are dude.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: Psychonautica]
#21954623 - 07/17/15 02:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Psychonautica said: And yours aren't? Go look at the bullshit you spewed in the unlock a phone thread.
That has nothing to do with this topic and you're welcome to point out where I'm wrong in that thread. As you are here, but you simply choose to say I'm wrong and not explain why or how you believe it works. You're free to discuss the topic at hand but my ears are deaf to your ad hominem remarks.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: koraks]
#21954626 - 07/17/15 02:34 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Your ears are just deaf and you could have left it at that. You never have any idea what you're talking about yet act like you have a PhD in every subject you ever mention.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: Psychonautica]
#21954630 - 07/17/15 02:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Blahblahblah. How does evolution work and how does that offer support for the stoned ape theory? Let's hear it. My ears are fully functioning when it comes to that. But still no relevant remarks from your end.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: koraks]
#21954635 - 07/17/15 02:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Talking to yourself again?
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: Psychonautica]
#21954641 - 07/17/15 02:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Better than talking to random people and mixing up their posts.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: koraks]
#21954647 - 07/17/15 02:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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You're both more ignorant than shits I take. It's understandable how I confused you two. Not going to apologize for it because the things I said apply to you as well.
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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: Psychonautica] 1
#21954649 - 07/17/15 02:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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listen i know everything... take it from me.
as well.
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