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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: Does]
    #21951792 - 07/16/15 12:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Is that a serious question?



People take it for granted
A primitive being with only survival on its mind is not going to conceive of a higher power in my opinion



That is exactly what a primitive being will do when it can't explain why things happen.


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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: 1234go]
    #21951798 - 07/16/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I was just speaking in general to everyone


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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21951800 - 07/16/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Also primitive man had progressively smaller and smaller cranium housing a smaller and smaller brain, why else would homo erectus or whatever in a span of a few hundred thusand years develop this brain we have now?
Visual acuity, CNS stimulation, intense religious like trips? oh yea, that could DEFINITELY springboard synaptic revolution leading to an unprecedented sized cerebral cortex.


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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: Rebelutionsssss] * 1
    #21951801 - 07/16/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Oh..

:okay:


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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: drege] * 1
    #21951814 - 07/16/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Also primitive man had progressively smaller and smaller cranium housing a smaller and smaller brain, why else would homo erectus or whatever in a span of a few hundred thusand years develop this brain we have now?
Visual acuity, CNS stimulation, intense religious like trips? oh yea, that could DEFINITELY springboard synaptic revolution leading to an unprecedented sized cerebral cortex.




Glad someone came in here sharp enough to use all the words and examples i could not. :lol:


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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: drege]
    #21951817 - 07/16/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Visual acuity, CNS stimulation, intense religious like trips? oh yea, that could DEFINITELY springboard synaptic revolution leading to an unprecedented sized cerebral cortex.



Explain how psychedelics played a role in passing that trait onto the next generations.


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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: koraks] * 1
    #21951822 - 07/16/15 12:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Explain how they didn't.


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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: 1234go]
    #21951829 - 07/16/15 12:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Oh..

:okay:



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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: drege]
    #21951830 - 07/16/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Also primitive man had progressively smaller and smaller cranium housing a smaller and smaller brain, why else would homo erectus or whatever in a span of a few hundred thusand years develop this brain we have now?
Visual acuity, CNS stimulation, intense religious like trips? oh yea, that could DEFINITELY springboard synaptic revolution leading to an unprecedented sized cerebral cortex.




How does a drug influence these changes? I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding about how evolution works.


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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: 1234go]
    #21951837 - 07/16/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Explain how they didn't.



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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: koraks] * 1
    #21951854 - 07/16/15 12:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

No one will ever truly know, and i'm not saying they did. Just playing devils advocate.


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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: koods]
    #21951858 - 07/16/15 12:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well you come up with an argument for why the human brain had the largest spike in cranial size in the shortest amount of time (around 2 million years) out of pretty much any other organism is the animal kingdom.  I mean seriously, you can't just be like, "This couldn't have happened because.".  There are definitely evolutionary advantages to early humans using psilocybin in terms of visual acuity, sexual prowess, philosophical and linguistic thought processes. 

I don't see why it just COULDN'T be a possibility.


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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: 1234go]
    #21951876 - 07/16/15 12:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Explain how they didn't.




Evolution is based on genetic variations being passed down to future generations. Drug use does not alter your genetic code. Random mutations do. If psychedelics happen to make a certain genetic code more beneficial to the genome that still wouldn't affect all the changes people seem to attribute to them. It would just make us more dependent on psychedelics.


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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: koods] * 1
    #21951887 - 07/16/15 12:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

TMK already laid the groundwork out; I'm just blindly regurgitating the mantra.
Increased CNS (central nervous system) stimulation causes higher percentile offspring (think of clan of the cave bear) If I as a mushroom using caveman, eat 1 or 2 mushrooms, hunt (with increased visual acuity) bring more food home, I am a better (perceived) stronger worthy lover and my offspring I bestow the blessings of the savannah, passages of rite, partaking of the giver of the mystical wisdom, generation upon generation of mushroom eating hunter/gatherers.
The ice recedes further, the plains turn arid, we attempt to preserve the boomers, they turn to alcahol, alcohol produces possessiveness, we realize that like seeds strewn in last years camp produce once foraged foods, we discover agriculture, we learn paternity.

I'll admit; mushrooms as THE catalyst is a stretch, but its not illogical, its not improbable, its not by any means ridiculous - unlike every major religion ever in history.
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No one will ever truly know, and i'm not saying they did. Just playing devils advocate.




I would have liked to spend a couple years in the library of Alexandria.
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Well you come up with an argument for why the human brain had the largest spike in cranial size in the shortest amount of time (around 2 million years) out of pretty much any other organism is the animal kingdom.  I mean seriously, you can't just be like, "This couldn't have happened because.".  There are definitely evolutionary advantages to early humans using psilocybin in terms of visual acuity, sexual prowess, philosophical and linguistic thought processes. 

I don't see why it just COULDN'T be a possibility.




I may be way off, but I think it was less than a million years.
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Explain how they didn't.




Evolution is based on genetic variations being passed down to future generations. Drug use does not alter your genetic code. Random mutations do. If psychedelics happen to make a certain genetic code more beneficial to the genome that still wouldn't affect all the changes people seem to attribute to them. It would just make us more dependent on psychedelics.





Dude, did your parents ever teach you anything? Whats the chances that that lesson was passed down at least one or more times throughout your ancestry?


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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #21951889 - 07/16/15 12:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Human brains are continuously remodeled by environmental forces and by the enormous sum of information generated by human inventiveness. The hyper connectivity on psychedlics could definitely have some impact on evolution of the brain.


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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: koods]
    #21951894 - 07/16/15 12:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I thought they've found some signs that psilocybin facilitates brain growth and regeneration


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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: koods]
    #21951898 - 07/16/15 12:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Even if epigenetics played a role, the source of the actual mutations would have had to be a different one as psychedelics don't alter DNA. And then I'm even stepping over the issue of psylocybin being extremely unlikely to be an epigenetics agent from a chemical viewpoint. The epigenetics route is the most plausible explanation for the stoned ape theory and even that is a dead end.

And drege, lessons learned from ones parents are not an example of evolution.


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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: koods]
    #21951901 - 07/16/15 12:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

As for a spike in intelligence and brain size, once humans started to use their hands to build tools, intelligence became a much more important factor in survival. Smart people lived long enough to have lots of kids. The evolutionary pressure would have been immense and change would have occurred rapidly on an evolutionary time scale.


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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: koods]
    #21951924 - 07/16/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Complete bunk. A theory without any evidence whatsoever is religion.

It's just an idea that a flaky drug user thought up to make his hobby sound more legitimate.





Gordon R Wasson was a flaky drug user?


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Re: What do you guys think of the stoned ape theory? [Re: koods] * 1
    #21951934 - 07/16/15 12:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So your telling me that the knowledge that diamond back rattler snakes can inflict fatal bites is irrelevant, are you telling me that not ever has the knowledge been passed down that a rattling noise and diamond patterns along legless scaled body is not part of evolution?
You think that all evolution is purely physical?
Newsflash, physical evolution hasn't really happened in a long time, the most recent one is shedding of body hair, currently we are shedding our need for solid calcified nails on our hands and feet.
How many people do you know that have rubbery pinky toe nails?
The most dramatic and important evolution in the homo branch of fauna has been based within the brain.
Mostly in the form of memes. Snakes and spiders can kill you if your bitten by them.


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