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20mg 4-aco-met (++++): Everything dissolved into everything else. * 2
    #21949954 - 07/15/15 11:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It's been over six hours, and I'm still tripping. This stuff is supposed to last shorter than 4-aco-dmt, but I guess not at this dose. Here's what I wrote down when I started this:

It was a very clumpy, sticky, tan powder with the consistency of flour. It dissolved poorly in water due to its clumpyness, but not nearly as poorly as 4-ho-mipt. It is supposedly "degraded."

I decided to go balls to the wall on this one because my previous experience with 4-ho-mipt was underwhelming due to low dose. From everything I've read, 20mg is quite a good dose of this stuff. Some people even find this dose too high. I have never tasted this chemical before. Time to jump into the deep end of the pool.


Here's roughly what happened:


0:00 - I drink it over the course of 10 minutes. I also took 0.25mg xanax about a half an hour prior.

0:30 - Coming up was rough, even with xanax. If it hadn't been for xanax, I would have been in a full scale meltdown.

1:00 - I was by this time already very altered mentally, but visuals were very light. It had already been an hour, so I didn't expect the visuals to pick up very much. Boy was I wrong. Anyway, I decided to smoke some pot hoping that would increase the visuals, and it did.

1:30 I went into the living room and sat on the couch. At first, there was only slight flowing and patterning on the ceiling. This patterning grew more and more intense. The pattern in the ceiling moved slowly, calmly, but grew more intense with every passing moment. Soon a few colors were brighter than the rest, mainly red. Almost fluorescent red dots began to appear, and these reds began to move coalescing into shapes. These patterns became 3d, but in an unusual way. It was like looking at multiple layers of patterns with each later being transparent and the layer behind it being back by about a foot or so. And then another layer a foot or so behind that.

For a moment, the ceiling dissolved, and I was staring into the sky.

On the far wall, the flourescent reds began to form into a tree. The tree was neon green with neon red leaves, and the leaves were moving. It was then that I thought that the leaves looked like people. The tree transformed into a series of veins as if looking inside the body, and the red leaves turned into people who were moving down these veins. The entire image was 3d. The veins were cross sections, like half pipes, and they curved into the wall. The top of the veins were slightly infront of the wall while the bottom was slightly behind the wall. Again, there were multiple layers with different depths, and each layer was transparent.

As I stared, it looked like there was another room just beyond the wall. The wall itself was transparent, and I could see another room beyond it, and beyond that there was space with stars. I move into the bedroom.

2:00 - Then everything just kindof fell apart. I sat down on a chair in the dark on the floor. A shirt that was on the floor was like a hole through the world extending off into infinity. Near that hole was something white which looked at first like a compound on some alien planet. Then the "compound" turned into an animal that moved down to drink out of a pond that was made out of psychedelic patterns. Other animals appeared and moved down to drink from the same psychedelic pond.

Inside, my mind kindof opened up. It felt like a three dimensional area opened up in my mind, and each though occupied a different location in space. There was constant mindfuck, but it too was located at a specific location. A glowing circular kaleidoscope pattern floated by in the background of my mind, ever present. It seemed as if my mind had multiple layers that I could access individually, and at the furthest back layer there was this strange kaleidoscope pattern that reminded me of my childhood.

I suddenly realized that I was having a hard time telling apart what was really happening from what I thought was happening. It was like the two weren't completely seperate. In fact, my thought seemed to occupy a 3 dimensional space very close to my vision, as if they were overlapping with my vision, but behind it or infront of it somehow. And I had a hard time telling if what I was seeing was really happening, or if it was just something I was thinking.

Everything overlapped and blended together like that. It wasn't clear where my thoughts stopped and reality began, or where my vision stopped and my thoughts began, or where one thought stopped and another began. I would think about something, an abstract idea, and for a moment my vision would scan to it, seemingly beyond the border of my sight, before snapping back to the confines of my eyes. My mind was like a giant canvas with a vast amount of space. and everything that I thought or that happened occupied a different location in it, and there were multiple layers to it, and I could interact with each of them.

The animals receded from the psychedelic lake, and for a moment various objects around assembled into what looked like a person with arms on my legs trying to crawl out of the psychedelic lake. I can't tell if it's really happening, or just something I'm thinking, or if I'm thinking it at all, or if it's really happening at all.

This sort of thing continued for about two hours.

4:00 I go into the kitchen in the dark and sit down. The floor is three dimensional. It has multiple glowing layers to it, and each layer is about an inch past the first. I would estimate the total depth at about 3 inches. Then I see the table.

On the table, photorealistic eyes begin opening, slowly, one by one, following a pattern that looks like the outline of an eye. The eyes are all individual, no eye pairs, just eyes. They're almost black and white, and totally realistic. They blink occasionally, slowly. They open and move to the right. They look as though they are connected to tissue, like a body part. The entire table looks organic, like it is a part of some strange body, it's skin is smooth and flowing to the right. Eyes open on it, and flow with the rest of the table.

5:00 - My mind begins to zip itself back up. The layers fold back, and disappear. The giant 3 dimensional canvas of my mind collapses in on itself. The table I sit at no longer seems to be made out of a strange gooey pink fuzzy substance with the consistency of peanut butter. The edges of things are no longer throwing off psychedelic patterns into the air. Yet, there are still 3 dimensional transparent visuals on surfaces if I look at them long enough. They are shallow now, just an inch deep, but they are still 3 dimensional and beautiful.

I'm coming down, but I'm still losing moments of time. Things seem to happen out of order, even more so than during the peak. I find myself doing something, and then not remembering that I had done it, but thinking that it was actually just something I had thought about doing. I take a shower, and it is a difficult affair to manage. I repeat the same things several times forgetting each time that I'd done it before until I find myself doing it again and suddenly remember. I still have a very hard time communicating, or keeping my thoughts straight.

6:00 - I feel like I'm on about 10mg 4-aco-dmt, or maybe 1.5-2 grams of mushrooms. Still. My thinking is much more clear, virtually all of the dramatic effects have vanished, but everything is still brighter than normal, and my mind is still confused at times. I am still significantly altered.



Overall:

At the peak, I was at a ++++. The division between myself and the outside world broke down, but not completely. This was a high dose. I've only ever gone this far with a handful of psychedelics, and all of them at doses this high are pretty unique.

This psychedelic is definitely on the DMT end of the spectrum. I can finally understand what DMT users mean when they say that more dimensions than our three dimensional world has opened up to them. Beyond that, the visuals were very DMT like, very alive, organic, visuals of creatures, living things. Anywhere I looked, 3 dimensional visuals overtook everything and visuals of living creatures or organic structures appeared.

This was a lot like high dose mushrooms. There are very few psychedelics that can destroy you like that, and this is one of them. It was totally unlike high dose NBOMe, or high dose 2CE. The only thing I can compare it to was high dose mushrooms. The difference was the three dimensional space that this provided. Everything had depth, layer upon layer of depth.

This was easily the equivalent of 6 grams mushrooms, but it was much easier to manage mentally than 6 grams of mushrooms. It lacked the mental depth of that much, but jesus at the peak that lack of depth was all that kept me from going off the deep end.

The only other drug I've ever tried that has this drug's ability to dissolve the boundary between thought and reality, between myself and the environment, between what is really happening and what I think is happening, the only other drug I know of that can do that is mushrooms. Sure, other psychedelics destroy the mind in their own way, but this overlapping dissolving of boundaries isn't something you see with NBOMe or the 2Cs.

If I had dosed higher, I would have ceased to exist, and reality would have merged completely with my internal thoughts. Everything would have dissolved into everything else. How many psychedelics are even capable of states like that?

There is a lot of mental activity with this psychedelic, but absolutely it isn't as deep as psilocybin. However, it makes up for that depth in how powerfully it can dissolve the boundary between the real and the unreal, and the incredible three dimensional (or even four dimensional) organic nature of the visuals.

In conclusion:





TLDR:

This is easily one of the best and most unique psychedelics I have ever done. I don't know how else to say it: this is one of the greatest and coolest things I have ever experienced on psychedelics.




Update: There is no particular afterglow. In fact, I have a headache and feel spacey. Well, you can't have it all I guess.


Edited by nooneman (07/16/15 04:04 AM)


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Re: 20mg 4-aco-met (++++): Everything dissolved into everything else. [Re: nooneman] * 1
    #21950104 - 07/16/15 12:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

sounds like a fun time! Good read :smile:


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Re: 20mg 4-aco-met (++++): Everything dissolved into everything else. [Re: nooneman] * 1
    #21951948 - 07/16/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

nice trip report


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Re: 20mg 4-aco-met (++++): Everything dissolved into everything else. [Re: Elff] * 1
    #21953257 - 07/16/15 06:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

4-aco-met is hands down one of the best RC i bought along with 1P-lsd.really nice report :thumbup::thumbup:

u seem like you had the pure shit tho!

mine at like 20 mg its really comfortable. i gave first timers 30 mg with no OBE feedback lolz 

are you sure this was 4-aco-met??

i guess mine is degraded as fck if thats the case :sad: the fartest i went was 35 mg . and the peak lasted like 2 hour, tracers,everything changing colors and moving ,time distortion, some nausea coming by waves with the hallucinations , difficulti to talk and think  ,then 4 hours of some mild halucination and a nice headspace ,after the peak i did nitrous and smoke weed on top even smoked dmt lol.

for real 4-aco-met plus DMT is insane , best shit in the world, 4-aco-met after peak puts me into psychonaut mode.it gives me the balls to go further and seems to go perfectly toghether with dmt also really nice with nitrous:vibin:

edit:look at the dosage from this site http://disregardeverythingisay.com/post/93834563989/4-aco-met-broken-down-and-described

was it in fumarate form ?


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Re: 20mg 4-aco-met (++++): Everything dissolved into everything else. [Re: Jean-guy Masta]
    #21953505 - 07/16/15 07:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It's definitely 4-aco-met, but it's supposedly "degraded." It's possible that 4-aco-met degrades into 4-ho-met, and 4-ho-met from everything I've read seems to be a bit stronger. Also, most of the really spectacular stuff happened after I got high, so that may have contributed.

Different people on different trip reports have different reactions to 20mg though. Erowid even says that a medium dose is 8-15mg while a strong dose 10-20mg and a heavy dose is 25+. A 10mg difference between medium and heavy. That's a pretty narrow range to go from medium past strong all the way to heavy. It's possible that individual differences (or weight) might tip someone from strong into heavy, etc.

Also, my scale is only accurate to +/- 3mg, so I may have dosed as high as 23mg or as low as 17mg. I do what I can to make sure it's accurate (a lot of weighing, calibrating, reweighing, etc.), but the accuracy of the scale still makes such a swing a (remote) possibility.

It's also possible that I have an unusual sensitivity to it I suppose. The only other psychedelics that I've had a significant sensitivity to are the NBOMes. I am unusually and extremely sensitive to NBOMe. But all the other psychedelics I've tried I haven't been any more sensitive than the average person to.

Having said that, I've read a lot of trip reports where others describe 20mg as "too much."

Edit; I also took it on an empty stomach.


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Re: 20mg 4-aco-met (++++): Everything dissolved into everything else. [Re: nooneman]
    #21955185 - 07/17/15 08:41 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yea seems like we had the exact same thing , pale tan flour lookin powder . And you mentioning it was degraded suggest that you had it from the same vendor as me. And this vendor is really reputable so I doubt he mislabeled it

Maybe because I always done it in group I didn't pay enough attention and was kinda fighting it to keep the good vibes rolling.

Seems like it effects people differently tho, had friends who told me they were blasted for the whole 6hours and other seems to told me that after the peak it's really manageable.

Anyhow I'll keep it safe when dosing people. Dosed a small girl 30mg I guess it could of gone wrong lol

Edit: the time I dosed 30-35mg was on a really empty stomach and I weigh 140 pound. I think mine is really degraded or yours is :sad:

Did you bought the specifically degraded one? The one I bought I paid full price but 2 months later they announced it was degraded but not sure my batch was


Edited by Jean-guy Masta (07/17/15 08:54 AM)


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Re: 20mg 4-aco-met (++++): Everything dissolved into everything else. [Re: Jean-guy Masta]
    #21956820 - 07/17/15 04:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Mine was sold as degraded at a substantial discount. If I had known the stuff was this high quality, I would have bought more. It was a great deal.

It might just be personal difference. It's possible that I'm sensitive to it.


Edited by nooneman (07/17/15 04:18 PM)


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Re: 20mg 4-aco-met (++++): Everything dissolved into everything else. [Re: nooneman]
    #21962278 - 07/18/15 08:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

cool


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Re: 20mg 4-aco-met (++++): Everything dissolved into everything else. [Re: Blazer420]
    #22000337 - 07/26/15 03:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I got lots of 3D visuals from this chemical
ive had the floor turn into a matrix of kalediscopes that i was surrounded in

4aco MET is a good chemical


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Re: 20mg 4-aco-met (++++): Everything dissolved into everything else. [Re: SunnyD]
    #22003477 - 07/27/15 09:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I didn't read the entire thing but yah people tend to get a little anxious because the comeup is SO fast and intense. Just know that in 30 mins you'll be soaring and bathing in laughter/euphoria.

I like how visual this stuff is too, me and my buddies spent an hour looking at trippy pics online and they all seemed like they were actually GIFS or videos, crawling all over the screen.


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Re: 20mg 4-aco-met (++++): Everything dissolved into everything else. [Re: SunnyD]
    #22005189 - 07/27/15 03:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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AddyZomeD said:
I got lots of 3D visuals from this chemical



Me too. Everything was really 3d. Very unique, very awesome. I can't even think of another psychedelic that produces truly similar 3d visuals. 25i produces 3d visuals, but they're absolutely nothing like 4-aco-met.


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Re: 20mg 4-aco-met (++++): Everything dissolved into everything else. [Re: nooneman]
    #22005273 - 07/27/15 04:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

nooneman said:
Quote:

AddyZomeD said:
I got lots of 3D visuals from this chemical



Me too. Everything was really 3d. Very unique, very awesome. I can't even think of another psychedelic that produces truly similar 3d visuals. 25i produces 3d visuals, but they're absolutely nothing like 4-aco-met.



Yeah :lol:


I noticed that very unique quality with 4acoMET


It s like 3D floating kaliediscopes or blobs of colore

really fucking cool, when I plugged 80mg ( benzo blackout )
I was completely surrounded in kalediscopes, while walking around stumbling in the basement of my house, getting weed,
I somehow made it down the stairs and back up when I could barely walk :facepalm:


Lucky I didn't fall and break my neck like burke
:rofl:


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