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The Illusion of Reality.
    #21948869 - 07/15/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I tripped for my first time on 1/1/2015 and Ive been doing a lot of thinking and asking, what  is life? and this is what I believe, Its pretty interesting. This is a snippet from my writings.

"life on earth is a very complex computer simulation run by a super dimensional race. The point of the simulation is to determine which souls are deemed worthy to move unto the next level of consciousness and which ones are held back or destroyed. Ones own choice to live a life of good or not will determine weather or not your souls simulation is worthy to join the multidimensional beings.

If you do not pass the simulation your soul is reincarnated and repeats the simulation to see if another outcome is a possibility, or it is“destroyed” but you cant actually destroy the spirit because it is energy and you can not destroy energy so the energy would likely be recycled and divided into a new essence, or sit in the universes “recycle bin” awaiting deletion."

So what do you think?


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Re: The Illusion of Reality. [Re: TrippyKid]
    #21948928 - 07/15/15 07:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Sounds like you must have studied many religions.  This is a very Buddhist ideal.

Scientology follows the same sort of train of thought, so maybe you watched the South Park episode and incorporated it into your trip/life?

The tenant is a great one though - be the best person you can be in this life.  What is beyond doesn't matter, because you're being the best you can be.  The hope is for positive things to happen - pretty much just like every other religion...  Even the wackjob ones that involve suicide and getting 72 virgins in heaven...  They are doing the best they can according to that particular religion.


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Re: The Illusion of Reality. [Re: meowshroom]
    #21948971 - 07/15/15 07:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Its funny that you said that because I was born Catholic and I chose to be Atheist until I was 18 then I began searching for "truth" I wanted to finally put a nail in the coffin as to if there is a god or an afterlife and if not I wanted to have proof, I studied Hinduism and Buddhism even practiced my families practice of Catholicism. I never researched anything on Scientology, just wrote it off as crazy, but I am starting to see a clearer picture as to how I came to the beliefs I have and how my knowledge effected my trip. My buddy tripped with me and hes convinced johnny depp is satan. haha.


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Look up at the stars and not down at your feet. Try to make sense of what you see, and wonder about what makes the universe exist. Be curious.
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Re: The Illusion of Reality. [Re: TrippyKid] * 1
    #21949436 - 07/15/15 09:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

LOL!!!  OK, that was funny.    Oprah is probably the anti-christ... lmao

Anyways, I am glad to hear you kicked the atheist phase.  It's ignorant if you ask me, because how can you know for sure?  Say you're agnostic, that's fine, but to flat out say "there's no way" makes one sound prentencious, and I have to wonder if they have ever compared the size of the earth to that of the sun.  And then compared the size of the sun to the size of the star Beatelguice.  And then, realize, that your puny human brain cannot ever comprehend something that large, and if there is a god, his presence would overwhelm an infinite amount of the largest stars that you cannot imagine just how large they are.

If you're asking these questions, bravo.  I would suggest taking a philosophy class at your local community college.  Only a few hundred bucks... don't even buy the book, and just enjoy the newly imparted knowledge and hope that there are some like minded people in there with you, and that you have a good teacher.

My teacher was a hard core christian.  However he and I had some great debates, and I didn't judge him for his beliefs and he not for mine.  Ya know... auditing that class and hoping for a different teacher might be fun...

Thanks for reminding me I can do that!  :laugh:


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Re: The Illusion of Reality. [Re: meowshroom]
    #21967535 - 07/19/15 10:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Love your idea OP. Thanks for sharing. You might want to repost in one of the other forums here for some more hits though. Sirutal forum or something. I also agree with Meow that it seems you have a mix a belief in there. :thumbup:


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Re: The Illusion of Reality. [Re: TrippyKid] * 1
    #21994598 - 07/25/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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TrippyKid said:
I tripped for my first time on 1/1/2015 and Ive been doing a lot of thinking and asking, what  is life? and this is what I believe, Its pretty interesting. This is a snippet from my writings.

"life on earth is a very complex computer simulation run by a super dimensional race. The point of the simulation is to determine which souls are deemed worthy to move unto the next level of consciousness and which ones are held back or destroyed. Ones own choice to live a life of good or not will determine weather or not your souls simulation is worthy to join the multidimensional beings.

If you do not pass the simulation your soul is reincarnated and repeats the simulation to see if another outcome is a possibility, or it is“destroyed” but you cant actually destroy the spirit because it is energy and you can not destroy energy so the energy would likely be recycled and divided into a new essence, or sit in the universes “recycle bin” awaiting deletion."

So what do you think?




TrippyKid, this is a question for which there is no definitive answer. However, good for you to have an open mind and question physical reality. :thumbup:

Even science is catching up to this question. For a very long time quantum physics has described a physical world that may or may not be real. Quantum physics says that small particles, like photons for example, exhibit a wave-particle duality. What this means is that sometimes particles behave like particles, and sometimes they behave like waves. The word wave here is actually a wave of probability; the photon isn't physically in one location until it is being observed. It then collapses and becomes a particle. This is sometimes referred to as collapsing the wave function.

You have most likely heard before of Schrodinger's cat. A cat is placed in a box with a a deadly substance in a vial that has say 50% chance of being released within the next hour. In other words, in an hour, the cat has an equal chance of being dead or alive. The only way to tell would be to open the box to observe the cat either dead or alive. In the meantime, the cat can be thought as both dead and alive. This seems silly of course and that thought experiment was Schrodinger's way of saying that applying the same wave-particle logic to macroscopic objects like a cat is ridiculous. However, quantum physics work for both microscopic and macroscopic levels so the question needs to be asked.

Because of the seemingly ridiculous thought of a wave-particle duality in the macroscopic world being possible, most physicists will simply ignore the huge question mark that quantum physics demonstrates : why is a particle not a particle until it is being observed? Is physical reality only an illusion made up by consciousness?

The implication of consciousness playing a role in reality is absolutely huge. And it gives credibility to a lot of controversial topics, like the one you bring up in your post : is reality just a simulation?

It is a fascinating question and I wish I knew the answer :smile:


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Re: The Illusion of Reality. [Re: Sevren]
    #21994623 - 07/25/15 10:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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most physicists will simply ignore the huge question mark that quantum physics demonstrates : why is a particle not a particle until it is being observed?




They ignore it because its not science - its philosophy, mysticism and personal opinion.  The same goes for the concept of "reality".
"Quantum theory needs no interpretation" 


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Is physical reality only an illusion made up by consciousness?




Experiments already show this is not the case.  The observation that collapses a wave function need not be a conscious observation.  With this in mind it might be better to call it a measurement or interaction that collapses the wavefuntion.  Of course this doesn't address whatever your personal opinion on "physical reality" is, it address observations which is all science can and does address.


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Re: The Illusion of Reality. [Re: DieCommie]
    #21995219 - 07/25/15 01:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Experiments already show this is not the case.  The observation that collapses a wave function need not be a conscious observation.

Curious...do you mean to say that the observation doesn't have to be human at all? Could my dog collapse a wave-function?


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Re: The Illusion of Reality. [Re: DieCommie]
    #21995292 - 07/25/15 01:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Hello DieCommie :smile:

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most physicists will simply ignore the huge question mark that quantum physics demonstrates : why is a particle not a particle until it is being observed?




They ignore it because its not science - its philosophy, mysticism and personal opinion.  The same goes for the concept of "reality".
"Quantum theory needs no interpretation"




I think your last sentence is debatable. Newton's mechanics does not need interpretation because it is very clear. Einstein's relativity is certainly not as clear because our intuition initially rejects the idea. But once you accept it there is no more to be said : a moving clock runs slower and that's that (assuming that you measure from an inertial frame, that is). But quantum theory on the other hand says that observation creates the reality observed. And for that reason I believe it needs interpretation.

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Is physical reality only an illusion made up by consciousness?




Experiments already show this is not the case.  The observation that collapses a wave function need not be a conscious observation.  With this in mind it might be better to call it a measurement or interaction that collapses the wavefuntion.  Of course this doesn't address whatever your personal opinion on "physical reality" is, it address observations which is all science can and does address.




I used the word consciousness to keep it simple, but perhaps I shouldn't have. Although we could simply define consciousness as being self-aware, I think it implies a lot more than that and it is a mystery in itself. So in trying to determine if it takes conscious measurement or not to collapse the wave function, we'll be running two debates at the same time. That being said, whether it takes conscious measurement or not, I think we can agree that it does take a measurement and that in itself creates an uncertainty about our physical reality.

Cheers :thumbup:


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Re: The Illusion of Reality. [Re: DieCommie]
    #21996782 - 07/25/15 07:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I agree with DieCommie when he alludes to decoherence.

I do not agree that quantum mechanics needs no interpretation.  While in principle it might be a good idea to do away with philosophy altogether, in practice it cannot be done.  There is a truth, and someday we will know it.  The Copenhagen arguments in favor of ignoring it to the bitter end are just very shortsighted and self-serving.


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Re: The Illusion of Reality. [Re: trendal]
    #21997150 - 07/25/15 08:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Experiments already show this is not the case.  The observation that collapses a wave function need not be a conscious observation.

Curious...do you mean to say that the observation doesn't have to be human at all? Could my dog collapse a wave-function?




A non conscious observation is sufficient.  You can record the data of the double slit experiment with an apparatus, destroy the results before anybody looks at it and you will still not see the interference pattern on the screen.


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Re: The Illusion of Reality. [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #21997174 - 07/25/15 08:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I do not agree that quantum mechanics needs no interpretation.  While in principle it might be a good idea to do away with philosophy altogether, in practice it cannot be done.  There is a truth, and someday we will know it.  The Copenhagen arguments in favor of ignoring it to the bitter end are just very shortsighted and self-serving.




The interpretation adds no predictive or descriptive ability to the theory.  It adds no observable detail to models of observations.  All an interpretation does is satisfy the interpreter's philosophic perspective and intuitive understanding.  That is self serving.  We should let nature tell us how nature behaves, not project an interpretation onto nature in order to satisfy our own preconceived notions.  Nature is not subject to follow our intuitive understanding nor our philosophic perspective and thus we should not project those ideas onto nature.


http://www.phy.pku.edu.cn/~qhcao/resources/class/QM/PTO000070.pdf


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Re: The Illusion of Reality. [Re: DieCommie]
    #21997316 - 07/25/15 09:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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The interpretation adds no predictive or descriptive ability to the theory.  It adds no observable detail to models of observations.  All an interpretation does is satisfy the interpreter's philosophic perspective and intuitive understanding.  That is self serving.  We should let nature tell us how nature behaves, not project an interpretation onto nature in order to satisfy our own preconceived notions.  Nature is not subject to follow our intuitive understanding nor our philosophic perspective and thus we should not project those ideas onto nature.


http://www.phy.pku.edu.cn/~qhcao/resources/class/QM/PTO000070.pdf




That is a very sane and rational position.  I just feel that, even though we may not posit reasons for things happening, it doesn't mean those reasons are not real, and won't be discovered someday.  Imho, reasons for things of which we are currently unaware may in the future become science.  I do not feel that philosophizing about the possibilities for future knowledge is a waste of time -- to me, that's the fun part.  However, I realize that you do, and I can't in good conscience begrudge you your position, as it is undoubtedly founded on sensible premises.


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Re: The Illusion of Reality. [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #21999112 - 07/26/15 09:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I never said its a waste of time.  My claim is that its not appropriate for science.  We can discuss aesthetics all we like, and enjoy it.  But lets not force our aesthetic sense onto scientific theories which are supposed to be as impartial to our personal perspective and desires as it can be.

Also, there are no "reasons" for basic, fundamental phenomenon and there never will be.  That is what makes the phenomenon basic and fundamental.  Basic, fundamental phenomenon are the reasons.  If we develop theories that re-cast what are today basic phenomenon as products of a more basic set of descriptions then that new fundamental description becomes the reason.  For now, quantum theory is the basic reason for phenomenon whether we like it or not.  Claiming there are reasons behind the phenomenon to be discovered is not supported by evidence and akin to adding god behind evolution - its superfluous, adds no predictive or descriptive power and only serves to satisfy our predisposition and desire.  It's self serving.  Its junk science.


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Re: The Illusion of Reality. [Re: DieCommie]
    #22000221 - 07/26/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

While I respect your position completely, I do not share it for several reasons.  I do not see sufficient reason to enumerate them here, as the bottom line is that we simply have different perspectives, and could go back and forth ad nauseam.

Suffice it to say, what you said is true enough for practical purposes, and I would not in all good conscience consider it something to dispel. :smile:


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