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Another NE England ID Request
    #21948802 - 07/15/15 06:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Hi All,

Walking the dog again and stumbled on a couple more. I think species #1 is from the family Suillaceae, specifically the Suillus grevillei, but it isn't 'sticky' as I have seen it described. Species #2 I am unable to even guess at, too many similar types to my untrained eye.

Spore prints in the making.

Species #1  (Suillus grevillei?)
Habitat: On the edge of a woodland car park, growing amongst ferns and pine needles. The ground was very dry.
Cap: 3.5cm diameter, burnt orange in colour, smooth and fairly firm to touch. Broadly umbolate. Does not seem to bruise readily.
Gills: Porous and orange, like the colour of sweet potato.
Stem: 1-1.5cm diameter, 8cm long ,fibrous and firm. Snapped when bent, revealing yellow fibres.
Odour: pleasant mushroom smell

1-11-21-31-4

Species #2
Habitat: At the foot of a birch tree growing out of the moss.
Cap: 1.5-2.5cm, eggshell, darkening to light brown.
Gills: White, crowded and I think these would be called adnexed (though I am a little uncertain on the specifics of gill attachment, any advice welcomed).
Stem: 4-5mm diameter, 5cm long, hollow and smooth. Cream, darkening to tan at base.
Odour: Also, pleasant mushroom smell.

2-12-22-32-4


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Re: Another NE England ID Request [Re: LiberT]
    #21948890 - 07/15/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

#1 Suillus sp.
#2 Gymnopus sp.


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Re: Another NE England ID Request [Re: Blue-FunGuy]
    #21951344 - 07/16/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for your comment Funguy,

The spore prints for #1 are a brown/ochre colour and for #2 they are snow white.

It seems common practice for contributors to narrow down a variety to sp. which I ascertain to be the 'family' of fungi, I suppose as a Spaniel would be to a Cocker. Is this deliberate to leave interpretation for mistakes, or generally because one is uncertain of the specific fungus?

I find this aspect a little confusing, because (if I understand correctly) there are some members of a species that can make you quite ill, while others are perfectly innocuous! Is this a correct assessment, or do you need to go further up the taxonomical hierarchy for this to be a concern?

Could anyone could offer some insights, or point me at some web resources to help to improve my understanding please?


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Re: Another NE England ID Request [Re: LiberT]
    #21951836 - 07/16/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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It seems common practice for contributors to narrow down a variety to sp. which I ascertain to be the 'family' of fungi, I suppose as a Spaniel would be to a Cocker. Is this deliberate to leave interpretation for mistakes, or generally because one is uncertain of the specific fungus?




Species (sp.) are widely variated and debated. Species are being subdivided, renamed, shifted to other genera, etc. all of the time. Without microscopic data, it is difficult to pinpoint exact species based on descriptions and photos alone. The genus of a mushroom is much more distinguishable in comparison; genera are usually classified according to the physical characteristics of the mushroom, the ones that are most apparent from a photograph, such as gill structure, attachment, spore print color, etc. It is much more difficult to pinpoint the species and subspecies within the genus.


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Re: Another NE England ID Request [Re: EnergyTurtle]
    #21951916 - 07/16/15 12:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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EnergyTurtle said:
It is much more difficult to pinpoint the species and subspecies within the genus.




Thanks,

It is easy to understand why, given the trouble I have sometimes had just to identify the class :smile:

And I suppose this is why mushroom hunting for consumption is generally considered a bit of a risky enterprise, given that identifying a genus is not sufficient information to dine out on?!


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