|
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
|
Timmy Meow



Registered: 04/05/15
Posts: 546
|
Rye flour PF cake rolled in coir + New experiment
#21948530 - 07/15/15 05:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
WARNING: You probably shouldn't listen to much I say in this thread, very inexperienced stuff
I'm usually just strolling around this site looking at everyone's teks and results. This is officially my first post and first self-grown pin 
Treasure Coast substrain, inoculated via multispore syringe.
Used the usual PF tek as seen in RogerRabbit's "Let's Grow Mushrooms!" video, modified by replacing the brf with rf, dunked for 24hrs then rolled in vermiculite then coir(The vermiculite didn't seem to stick to it much).
Picture taken 5 days after being placed in the fruiting chamber.

Current unrelated experimentations:
I'm taking daily pics of the progress of my Coir+Verm+RF substrate vs the progress of my straight Coir substrate. Both spawned with a RF PF Cake @ a 1:10 spawn to sub ratio.
I've read a lot on these forums... a lot a lot... And it seems there's lot of debate and assumptions on what I'm doing, from colonization to potency.
There's a lot of pro's and con's to the possible outcome to this, so I'll be sure to test everything. I'll create a new thread in a few days regarding this.
Please share your results and knowledge and PICS if you've tried something similar. I would appreciate anyone's input.
Here's a pic of each of them on day 5 since inoculated.
100% Coir
 RF+Verm+Coir
Edited by Timmy Meow (06/02/16 09:04 PM)
|
SteveRogers
gandy dancer


Registered: 10/24/06
Posts: 3,450
|
Re: Rye flour PF cake rolled in coir - 1st Pin! [Re: Timmy Meow]
#21948539 - 07/15/15 05:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Why did you watch RR's videos and then throw his advice out the window? For the same time and cost, you could have seen a much better yield.....
-------------------- "General, I am loyal to nothing......except The Dream"
|
Psilosoulful

Registered: 09/05/14
Posts: 7,205
Last seen: 1 year, 1 month
|
Re: Rye flour PF cake rolled in coir - 1st Pin! [Re: SteveRogers] 1
#21948572 - 07/15/15 05:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Try following a tek to a T, then experiment with different methods once you have a couple of good grows under your belt.
|
ZeroBoyWD
Zombie



Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 460
Last seen: 2 years, 5 months
|
Re: Rye flour PF cake rolled in coir - 1st Pin! [Re: Psilosoulful]
#21948609 - 07/15/15 05:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Everyone likes to harp on potency. I wouldn't be concerned with that at all right now. I've only had a few grows but IME a cube is a cube is a cube, which some people will argue about strains and what not, but when your talking about chemical content, there is the average NORMAL potency for cubes and then rare genetics may give you an above average potency (clone clone clone). Low potency is most likely caused by poor growing conditions, not the particular substrate you used.
Think about it. When you have a poor sub you get smaller flushes. When you have a good sub, you get larger flushes. The mycelium wants to produce the mushroom it wants to produce, and if it has more nutrients it makes more of them.
I'm no expert though, just my armchair theory
-------------------- I'm done trying to be "right." I want the exchange of ideas to be the currency of my economy. If you have something I can use, great. I'll try it out. If you think my methods are shit, great. Don't use it. We all want yields.
|
Timmy Meow



Registered: 04/05/15
Posts: 546
|
Re: Rye flour PF cake rolled in coir - 1st Pin! [Re: SteveRogers]
#21948610 - 07/15/15 05:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
I take in as much advice as I can, though I don't always accept the first thing I read. Without experimentation, there's no moving forward.
I agree RogerRabbit is a wise old owl, most of what he says is true and I've seriously learnt a lot from him around here, though what he says doesn't exactly mean it's written in stone.
Also i forgot to mention that I don't have a pressure cooker... I WILL buy one soon when my finances are sorted out.
|
SteveRogers
gandy dancer


Registered: 10/24/06
Posts: 3,450
|
Re: Rye flour PF cake rolled in coir - 1st Pin! [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21948634 - 07/15/15 05:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Who is talking about potency?
OP I am all for innovating, but I can tell you that you are not going to be too happy with the final dry weight from this grow. Thats why you listen to what he says.
-------------------- "General, I am loyal to nothing......except The Dream"
|
spacechildo
proletarians rise up



Registered: 01/24/13
Posts: 19,243
Loc: Babylon
Last seen: 6 years, 4 months
|
Re: Rye flour PF cake rolled in coir - 1st Pin! [Re: Timmy Meow]
#21948639 - 07/15/15 05:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Timtoshis said: I've read a lot on these forums... a lot a lot...
did you see anything about whether rye flour needs to be pressure cooked, or how a sterile media reacts to being opened?
I'm a bit skeptical of this I must admit..
|
Timmy Meow



Registered: 04/05/15
Posts: 546
|
Re: Rye flour PF cake rolled in coir - 1st Pin! [Re: spacechildo]
#21948661 - 07/15/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
spacechildo said:
Quote:
Timtoshis said: I've read a lot on these forums... a lot a lot...
did you see anything about whether rye flour needs to be pressure cooked, or how a sterile media reacts to being opened?
I'm a bit skeptical of this I must admit..
Quote:
RogerRabbit said: Rye really should be pressure cooked, but several growers recently have used rye flour with only steaming and it worked out. It all depends on the endospore count of the rye you get. RR
|
ZeroBoyWD
Zombie



Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 460
Last seen: 2 years, 5 months
|
Re: Rye flour PF cake rolled in coir - 1st Pin! [Re: SteveRogers]
#21948665 - 07/15/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
SteveRogers said: Who is talking about potency?
Quote:
Timtoshis said: I've read a lot on these forums... a lot a lot... And it seems there's lot of debate and assumptions on what I'm doing, from colonization to potency.
Sorry, it just jumps out at me every time. And everyone else already covered the "Follow a tek" bit so I wanted to add something else to the conversation.
I'll go sit in the corner
EDIT: Also in regards to OP's point on experimentation, yeah its a good thing, but when you go so far off book it makes it hard for anyone to give sound advice to your specific grow. Thats why everyone says "Follow the tek" because if you stray, you can be guided back to good flushes. If you experiment wildly and dont have a solid experience with optimal conditioning, there is no basis to direct corrections because there is no telling where things went south...
-------------------- I'm done trying to be "right." I want the exchange of ideas to be the currency of my economy. If you have something I can use, great. I'll try it out. If you think my methods are shit, great. Don't use it. We all want yields.
|
spacechildo
proletarians rise up



Registered: 01/24/13
Posts: 19,243
Loc: Babylon
Last seen: 6 years, 4 months
|
Re: Rye flour PF cake rolled in coir - 1st Pin! [Re: Timmy Meow]
#21948684 - 07/15/15 06:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Timtoshis said:
Quote:
spacechildo said:
Quote:
Timtoshis said: I've read a lot on these forums... a lot a lot...
did you see anything about whether rye flour needs to be pressure cooked, or how a sterile media reacts to being opened?
I'm a bit skeptical of this I must admit..
Quote:
RogerRabbit said: Rye really should be pressure cooked, but several growers recently have used rye flour with only steaming and it worked out. It all depends on the endospore count of the rye you get. RR
well, do you feel lucky? I wouldn't do it. I've steamed popcorn for 90mins and had good harvests but I would never do it again now.
Did you at least spawn the cake to coir+rf in a SAB`?
|
Timmy Meow



Registered: 04/05/15
Posts: 546
|
Re: Rye flour PF cake rolled in coir - 1st Pin! [Re: spacechildo]
#21948716 - 07/15/15 06:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
spacechildo said:
Quote:
Timtoshis said:
Quote:
spacechildo said:
Quote:
Timtoshis said: I've read a lot on these forums... a lot a lot...
did you see anything about whether rye flour needs to be pressure cooked, or how a sterile media reacts to being opened?
I'm a bit skeptical of this I must admit..
Quote:
RogerRabbit said: Rye really should be pressure cooked, but several growers recently have used rye flour with only steaming and it worked out. It all depends on the endospore count of the rye you get. RR
well, do you feel lucky? I wouldn't do it. I've steamed popcorn for 90mins and had good harvests but I would never do it again now.
Did you at least spawn the cake to coir+rf in a SAB`?
I did it in a "Still Air Room" I've got luck on my side though, I know everything is sterile enough, it's just the results I'm looking forward to. I won't be using rye flour again though depending on the flush, much too sticky.
|
Timmy Meow



Registered: 04/05/15
Posts: 546
|
Re: Rye flour PF cake rolled in coir - 1st Pin! [Re: Timmy Meow]
#21948746 - 07/15/15 06:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
I've steamed popcorn for 90mins and had good harvests but I would never do it again now.
I was thinking of doing the same thing, read a lot of success and faliure about steam sterilizing popcorn. Though I read someone say it's the hardest grain to sterilize due to it's size. I have my doubts about that statement, though if I'm not mistaken I belive RogerRabbit said that?
|
ZeroBoyWD
Zombie



Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 460
Last seen: 2 years, 5 months
|
Re: Rye flour PF cake rolled in coir - 1st Pin! [Re: Timmy Meow]
#21948833 - 07/15/15 06:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Timtoshis said: I did it in a "Still Air Room" I've got luck on my side though, I know everything is sterile enough, it's just the results I'm looking forward to.
I too use a "Still Air Room." Just remember, when you and I get contaminates, we have no right to whine about it after
-------------------- I'm done trying to be "right." I want the exchange of ideas to be the currency of my economy. If you have something I can use, great. I'll try it out. If you think my methods are shit, great. Don't use it. We all want yields.
|
Timmy Meow



Registered: 04/05/15
Posts: 546
|
Re: Rye flour PF cake rolled in coir - 1st Pin! [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21948916 - 07/15/15 06:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
ZeroBoyWD said:
I too use a "Still Air Room." Just remember, when you and I get contaminates, we have no right to whine about it after 
True, it's just so convenient
|
ZeroBoyWD
Zombie



Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 460
Last seen: 2 years, 5 months
|
Re: Rye flour PF cake rolled in coir - 1st Pin! [Re: Timmy Meow]
#21948978 - 07/15/15 07:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
I'm only doing syringe innocs though and I'm becoming deliberately sloppy. I actually wanna see how far you need to go for these sterile injections. Bad practice, I know, I know. But with all I've gotten away with so far, I like to push it. When I get up to G2G I will be making an SAB, no question. But right now, with just some needles and a torch lighter, I'm doing ok for myself. Conditions aren't right, but damn it, I'm not getting contams and that counts for something in my book. Fuck, give me another Guinness
-------------------- I'm done trying to be "right." I want the exchange of ideas to be the currency of my economy. If you have something I can use, great. I'll try it out. If you think my methods are shit, great. Don't use it. We all want yields.
|
Timmy Meow



Registered: 04/05/15
Posts: 546
|
Re: Rye flour PF cake rolled in coir - 1st Pin! [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21952366 - 07/16/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Taking the daily pics and noticed another lil bugger on the opposite side
Does anyone know what the white bumps on the cake is caused from... they aren't hyphal knots are they? Is it just the effect of the mycelium ripping through the coir, causing an overlay OR are they a sign of shrooms to come?
|
SteveRogers
gandy dancer


Registered: 10/24/06
Posts: 3,450
|
Re: Rye flour PF cake rolled in coir - 1st Pin! [Re: Timmy Meow]
#21952477 - 07/16/15 03:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Timtoshis said: Is it just the effect of the mycelium ripping through the coir, causing an overlay [/url]
You haven't really listened to any of our advice and appear to have not followed anything RR said. Here is one more piece of advice though. Get the word overlay out of your head. You are NOT going to see it and if you do it is not going to be on something (coir) which is essentially a bulk substrate you rolled the cake in.
-------------------- "General, I am loyal to nothing......except The Dream"
|
Timmy Meow



Registered: 04/05/15
Posts: 546
|
Re: Rye flour PF cake rolled in coir - 1st Pin! [Re: SteveRogers]
#21952850 - 07/16/15 05:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
SteveRogers said:
Quote:
Timtoshis said: Is it just the effect of the mycelium ripping through the coir, causing an overlay [/url]
You haven't really listened to any of our advice and appear to have not followed anything RR said. Here is one more piece of advice though. Get the word overlay out of your head. You are NOT going to see it and if you do it is not going to be on something (coir) which is essentially a bulk substrate you rolled the cake in.
As previously stated, I'm experimenting. I would much rather experiment with a new possibility than stick with a tried and proven methods with the same results as everyone else who has tried it. I'm doing all of this to learn, yes I can learn from others mistakes, though essentially there isn't enough proof/pics/evidence that what I'm trying and testing will not work or produce horrid results...
As I also said, there has been a lot of debate regarding what I'm trying and you, for 1, contradict what RogerRabbit said about overlay and coir:
Quote:
RogerRabbit said: When you put a layer of coir over a manure bed, you're adding a second layer of substrate, not casing. That's why coir overlays so bad...
I know what I'm trying might not get amazing results, though at the end of the day, it actually just might. So unless you have tried anything I am doing and have the hard evidence to back it up, I'm more than willing to try and test something else.
I appreciate your responses and words of caution about trying ideas that seem to be out-of-the-box, but this is all about experimenting new possibilities to me.
|
SteveRogers
gandy dancer


Registered: 10/24/06
Posts: 3,450
|
Re: Rye flour PF cake rolled in coir - 1st Pin! [Re: Timmy Meow]
#21952863 - 07/16/15 05:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Forget you ever heard the word overlay. Period. RR admits to seeing it less than 5 times in 40 years. Good luck with your experiment. Hopefully it will encourage you to use your time and money more efficiently.
-------------------- "General, I am loyal to nothing......except The Dream"
|
spacechildo
proletarians rise up



Registered: 01/24/13
Posts: 19,243
Loc: Babylon
Last seen: 6 years, 4 months
|
Re: Rye flour PF cake rolled in coir - 1st Pin! [Re: Timmy Meow]
#21952867 - 07/16/15 05:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/dosearch.php?terms=rogerrabbit+overlay
its all been done before but go ahead and repeat it if you want. the answers are out there..
|
Timmy Meow



Registered: 04/05/15
Posts: 546
|
Re: Rye flour PF cake rolled in coir - 1st Pin! [Re: SteveRogers]
#21952886 - 07/16/15 05:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
SteveRogers said: Forget you ever heard the word overlay. Period. RR admits to seeing it less than 5 times in 40 years. Good luck with your experiment. Hopefully it will encourage you to use your time and money more efficiently.
Is it too late to add some peat moss to cover it again? ...or should i let it be?
|
SteveRogers
gandy dancer


Registered: 10/24/06
Posts: 3,450
|
Re: Rye flour PF cake rolled in coir - 1st Pin! [Re: Timmy Meow]
#21952894 - 07/16/15 05:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Timtoshis said: Is it too late to add some peat moss to cover it again? ...or should i let it be?
You should start more cakes and follow a tek. Holy shit man. Seriously?
-------------------- "General, I am loyal to nothing......except The Dream"
|
Timmy Meow



Registered: 04/05/15
Posts: 546
|
Re: Rye flour PF cake rolled in coir - 1st Pin! [Re: SteveRogers]
#21952916 - 07/16/15 05:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
SteveRogers said:
Quote:
Timtoshis said: Is it too late to add some peat moss to cover it again? ...or should i let it be?
You should start more cakes and follow a tek. Holy shit man. Seriously?
Maybe I should have worded that more accurately... Will adding a layer of peat moss on that cake make it flush better than leaving it alone?
I have loads of cakes, loads of coir bricks and yes, I'm serious.
|
SteveRogers
gandy dancer


Registered: 10/24/06
Posts: 3,450
|
Re: Rye flour PF cake rolled in coir - 1st Pin! [Re: Timmy Meow]
#21952930 - 07/16/15 05:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Leave it alone.
-------------------- "General, I am loyal to nothing......except The Dream"
|
Timmy Meow



Registered: 04/05/15
Posts: 546
|
Re: Rye flour PF cake rolled in coir + New experiment (update) [Re: Timmy Meow]
#21956610 - 07/17/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
So I've decided to incubate my experiments usuing a Tub in Tub with a fish tank heater last night and the colonization exploded over the past 24 hours.
Here's some pics with the first two showing the speed of colonization without being incubated:
RF+Verm+Coir - 4 days colonizing (ROOM TEMPERATURE)

RF+Verm+Coir - 6 days colonizing (ROOM TEMPERATURE)

RF+Verm+Coir - 8 days colonizing (INCUBATED)

Room temp has been ± 60 °F
|
ZeroBoyWD
Zombie



Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 460
Last seen: 2 years, 5 months
|
Re: Rye flour PF cake rolled in coir + New experiment (update) [Re: Timmy Meow]
#21956672 - 07/17/15 03:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Wow your room temp fluctuates a whole 60F? I think you meant to use tilde (~) which means 'about'.
What is the incubation temp?
-------------------- I'm done trying to be "right." I want the exchange of ideas to be the currency of my economy. If you have something I can use, great. I'll try it out. If you think my methods are shit, great. Don't use it. We all want yields.
|
Timmy Meow



Registered: 04/05/15
Posts: 546
|
Re: Rye flour PF cake rolled in coir + New experiment (update) [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21956719 - 07/17/15 03:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
ZeroBoyWD said: Wow your room temp fluctuates a whole 60F? I think you meant to use tilde (~) which means 'about'.
What is the incubation temp?
I don't know what 'stones' are and at this point I'm too embarrassed to ask...
No no no lol, it's the symbol for plus-minus. About 60F is the room temperate, usually below 60F though.
Incubation is at about 80F.
Stones are usually referred to as:
1.)"a hard solid non-metallic mineral matter of which rock is made, especially as a building material." - Google
2.)A fungus which grows inside of the substrate, usually known as Philosophers Stone's/Sclerotia
|
ZeroBoyWD
Zombie



Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 460
Last seen: 2 years, 5 months
|
Re: Rye flour PF cake rolled in coir + New experiment (update) [Re: Timmy Meow]
#21956732 - 07/17/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
The plus minus is used for fluctuation tolerance. Not trying to argue semantics but I used to work with precision blueprints, that's what it means. So I actually misspoke, it would be 120 degree of possible fluctuation, Nominal +/- 60F.... Trust me on this. You are using that symbol wrong. 60F +/- 5F is where you're chilling at.
-------------------- I'm done trying to be "right." I want the exchange of ideas to be the currency of my economy. If you have something I can use, great. I'll try it out. If you think my methods are shit, great. Don't use it. We all want yields.
|
Timmy Meow



Registered: 04/05/15
Posts: 546
|
Re: Rye flour PF cake rolled in coir + New experiment (update) [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21956754 - 07/17/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Merci beaucoup
|
Timmy Meow



Registered: 04/05/15
Posts: 546
|
Re: Rye flour PF cake rolled in coir + New experiment (update) [Re: Timmy Meow]
#22025393 - 07/31/15 05:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
So here is a little update on the cake, it's on the left. Both were made the exact same way using a MS syringe.

...and here's a close up on the one on the right:

These are Rye flour cakes, cased with coir.
|
bakenast
Muffen Stuffer


Registered: 03/14/11
Posts: 920
Last seen: 1 year, 25 days
|
Re: Rye flour PF cake rolled in coir + New experiment (update) [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#22025424 - 07/31/15 05:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
ZeroBoyWD said: The plus minus is used for fluctuation tolerance. Not trying to argue semantics but I used to work with precision blueprints, that's what it means. So I actually misspoke, it would be 120 degree of possible fluctuation, Nominal +/- 60F.... Trust me on this. You are using that symbol wrong. 60F +/- 5F is where you're chilling at.
you knew what he was talking about though,, this isnit grammar school why does everyone pick apart peoples posts..
|
Timmy Meow



Registered: 04/05/15
Posts: 546
|
Re: Rye flour PF cake rolled in coir - 1st Pin! [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22088453 - 08/13/15 06:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
So...in the name of experimentation.
Quote:
SteveRogers said: Why did you watch RR's videos and then throw his advice out the window? For the same time and cost, you could have seen a much better yield.....
Quote:
Psilosoulful said:
Try following a tek to a T, then experiment with different methods once you have a couple of good grows under your belt.
Here's an updated pic of the same cake from the first post. A few early starters have already been harvested on here. Count the knots?

TOP VIEW:
|
SteveRogers
gandy dancer


Registered: 10/24/06
Posts: 3,450
|
Re: Rye flour PF cake rolled in coir - 1st Pin! [Re: Timmy Meow]
#22088740 - 08/13/15 07:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Good god man. Start new cakes and follow a tek. This hurt my heart to look at.
-------------------- "General, I am loyal to nothing......except The Dream"
|
Timmy Meow



Registered: 04/05/15
Posts: 546
|
Re: Rye flour PF cake rolled in coir - 1st Pin! [Re: SteveRogers]
#22088868 - 08/13/15 07:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
SteveRogers said: Good god man. Start new cakes and follow a tek. This hurt my heart to look at.
I understand I thought I was doing so good 'cause of the pin set...
I'm learning from the mistakes though, It seems the only thing really wrong with this is the FAE? (Small caps, fuzzy base, long stems reaching out for air)
Constructive criticism... bring it on
|
spacechildo
proletarians rise up



Registered: 01/24/13
Posts: 19,243
Loc: Babylon
Last seen: 6 years, 4 months
|
Re: Rye flour PF cake rolled in coir - 1st Pin! [Re: Timmy Meow]
#22088957 - 08/13/15 08:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
|
Toadstool5
A Registered Mycophile



Registered: 01/22/15
Posts: 1,359
Loc: The Golden State
|
Re: Rye flour PF cake rolled in coir - 1st Pin! [Re: Timmy Meow]
#22089139 - 08/13/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Yeah they look a bit stale try adding more holes for FAE 
-------------------- If you do not know where the mushroom products you are consuming are grown, think twice before eating them. - Paul Stamets AMU Teks Stro's Write Ups
|
|