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Guideline for Mushroom Heating Safety for Capsules?
    #21947845 - 07/15/15 03:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I know that mushrooms are usually heated or cooked to destroy possible poisons and help break down cell walls.

I have a capsule maker and thought this might be one way for me to try taking reishi but I assume it should be processed first. This begs the question, to what temperature and for how long should reishis be cooked? Can I just bake them and then grind them up to make capsules?

I see people going through great pains to make tinctures as well. Usually, the body can absorb things water soluble directly and things fat soluble if eaten with a fatty food. Is this not true for the polysaccharides and triterpenes in reishis?


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Re: Guideline for Mushroom Heating Safety for Capsules? [Re: PutACapInHisAss]
    #21947878 - 07/15/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

just dry them and grind them. I wasn't aware of any toxins in reishi :shrug: but I'm not familiar with the species at all


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Re: Guideline for Mushroom Heating Safety for Capsules? [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #21951865 - 07/16/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I am not aware of any either but I am just going by general advice I read from RR that no mushroom species should be consumed raw. I'm not sure anyone in the western world has any idea what all you can say about these species chemically. From what I have read, most scientific research has been performed on them by Asian countries which do not necessarily share/publish their results. If they have been studied by pharmaceutical companies in the west, the results may not be published either if they think they can make money off the information in some proprietary way.

There is a variety of things in nature that people consume that are mildly to moderately poisonous if not processed/cooked. Mushrooms are just one example and sometimes poisonous effects are not obvious. I ate a lot of button mushrooms raw before I knew better. They supposedly have the agaritine poison but I never noticed any ill side-effects.

A small amount of poison can be damaging, even if you don't feel it. For example, I doubt many people feel the moment their DNA is damaged and they get an out-of-control cancer; but, it is still a serious health problem.

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just dry them and grind them. I wasn't aware of any toxins in reishi :shrug: but I'm not familiar with the species at all




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Re: Guideline for Mushroom Heating Safety for Capsules? [Re: PutACapInHisAss]
    #21952026 - 07/16/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I still haven't found any specific answer about cooking shrooms but here is an interesting short article/essay on the subject:

http://www.mykoweb.com/articles/EatingRawMushrooms.html

It suggests there may not be an answer. 25-75% of poisons may remain in some specimens even with cooking!


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Re: Guideline for Mushroom Heating Safety for Capsules? [Re: PutACapInHisAss]
    #21952300 - 07/16/15 02:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The problem with mushrooms is the fact that they are a protein product like beans. If beans arent grown/harvested/stored correctly then you can be exposed to food intoxication, pathogens, chemicals, grow media. Same with mushrooms.

Thats why we dry them so storage under 40°F isnt necessary. You can cook them to 140°F for 30 seconds to help pasteurize them of really nasty pathogens. The problem is, some are heat resistant, endosporic, or cold resistant so they survive dehydration or cooking. Food toxins are typically not removed by cooking either so there is not much you can do with that, luckily the toxins are not transferred to the fruiting body from the grow media but if they spoil after harvesting there can be toxins present.

Practice food handling safety and when in doubt dont ingest :thumbup:


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Re: Guideline for Mushroom Heating Safety for Capsules? [Re: Toadstool5]
    #21952349 - 07/16/15 03:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

so.. correct me if i'm wrong but what i'm getting from this^ is as long as you know what went into growing it then don't worry about it?


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Re: Guideline for Mushroom Heating Safety for Capsules? [Re: Toadstool5]
    #21952357 - 07/16/15 03:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

This makes a lot of sense. I was reading about Agaritine. According to http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/439517#section=Experimental-Properties, the "melting" or decomposition temperature is 397+ Fahrenheit. This is pretty hot to cook anything for a significant length of time!

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The problem with mushrooms is the fact that they are a protein product like beans. If beans arent grown/harvested/stored correctly then you can be exposed to food intoxication, pathogens, chemicals, grow media. Same with mushrooms.

Thats why we dry them so storage under 40°F isnt necessary. You can cook them to 140°F for 30 seconds to help pasteurize them of really nasty pathogens. The problem is, some are heat resistant, endosporic, or cold resistant so they survive dehydration or cooking. Food toxins are typically not removed by cooking either so there is not much you can do with that, luckily the toxins are not transferred to the fruiting body from the grow media but if they spoil after harvesting there can be toxins present.

Practice food handling safety and when in doubt dont ingest :thumbup:




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Re: Guideline for Mushroom Heating Safety for Capsules? [Re: PutACapInHisAss]
    #21953002 - 07/16/15 05:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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as long as you know what went into growing it then don't worry about it?




Somewhat. As long as you know how it was grown and stored/handled then you should be fine. However, even if you know that it was grown fine, you can still handle and store it inappropriately and get food poisoning.

There are cheap online courses for "food handling safety" that are awesome. I am ServSafe certified in CA and learnt a good amount about keeping food safe through taking that 4hr course. Handling and storing food correctly is something everyone should take the time and cost to learn


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Re: Guideline for Mushroom Heating Safety for Capsules? [Re: Toadstool5]
    #22073755 - 08/10/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

lol 200F.

Aloha dries their products at 200F to break down cell walls. That is the only purpose for heating medicinals.
If you do not they are not digestible and you will get no benefit from them.


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Re: Guideline for Mushroom Heating Safety for Capsules? [Re: bryanbzl]
    #22091673 - 08/14/15 03:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for the info! That is fantastic to know and Aloha sure seems to be serious enough to know what they are doing. I may take your advice.

But I'm pretty sure the cell walls of fungus must be susceptible to more direct, physical degradation as well such as by grinding/mastication. Surely the walls are not so tough they can't be violated when ground into fine powder for a capsule. Don't you think?

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lol 200F.

Aloha dries their products at 200F to break down cell walls. That is the only purpose for heating medicinals.
If you do not they are not digestible and you will get no benefit from them.




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Re: Guideline for Mushroom Heating Safety for Capsules? [Re: PutACapInHisAss]
    #22093292 - 08/15/15 01:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

they dry at 200f for 12 hours. forgot that part, sorry. There is a thread somewhere that goes into great explanation. after being dried it is powdered and capsuled. I'm surprised no one has chimed in before me. It is fact. Fungi Perfecti apparently goes through a similar process I believe. Either way. They test there shit and if they didn't have to do it they wouldn't. Heat dry for 12 hours at 200F then powder and capsule. :thumbup: If you want the benefit from the mushrooms that is lol.


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Re: Guideline for Mushroom Heating Safety for Capsules? [Re: bryanbzl]
    #22095275 - 08/15/15 03:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Good point, 200F for 12 hours is an expensive process! I would have to bake a fair bit at one time to make this economically viable. I wonder if it'd be worthwhile to insulate a toaster oven.

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They test there shit and if they didn't have to do it they wouldn't. Heat dry for 12 hours at 200F then powder and capsule. :thumbup: If you want the benefit from the mushrooms that is lol.




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Re: Guideline for Mushroom Heating Safety for Capsules? [Re: PutACapInHisAss]
    #22096335 - 08/15/15 08:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

well TBH that factors into the price of the product in general. It costs nothing to grow. It just takes time and a few dollars electric for the heat treating/drying.
HUGE mark-up for the time it takes which is attractive in a business prospective. some ovens dont even go down to 200F. It isn't very that hot. If you want to do a small batch use a toaster oven. If you think insulating it will help save enough money to make it worthwhile - then go for it. Hopefully the electronics are designed to regulate to compensate for the change. I am pretty sure it will work. I would suggest using kaowool insulation. it is used for high heat applications and most def. will not be damaged.


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