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Popcorn jar cobweb or myc?
    #21947033 - 07/15/15 12:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Hey guys I had afew of my jars inoculated with Burma ms start to show fast, this is at day 7. What do you guys think I've never used grains before.. It doesn't seem to be growing rapidly fast.



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Re: Popcorn jar cobweb or myc? [Re: shane4050]
    #21947075 - 07/15/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Looks like healthy mycelium to me! Good job!


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Re: Popcorn jar cobweb or myc? [Re: TravelAgency]
    #21947129 - 07/15/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for the reassurance gonna keep my eye on them. Either popcorn colonizes real fast or I got some good ms from the spore depot.


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Re: Popcorn jar cobweb or myc? [Re: shane4050]
    #21947191 - 07/15/15 12:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

your grains look real wet. you should dry them better before pc'ing next time, you have some bacteria going on there.

popcorn seems to colonize faster because its such few grains and short lengths formyc totravel.

edit out the vendor from your post, they sell spores for microscopy only dont misuse them for cultivation.


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Re: Popcorn jar cobweb or myc? [Re: spacechildo]
    #21947258 - 07/15/15 12:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you for the info and sorry about that, I wasn't sure if they were too wet or not I dried them in a strainer for an hour, moving around periodically, then when I couldn't feel any moisture I strained again. After they came out of the pressure cooker they did look a little moist. But I read that was normal after pressure cooking grain and to roll and shake the jars. I haven't had any pooling or anything but afew kernels seem to have retained abit of water that are pressed against the jar.


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Re: Popcorn jar cobweb or myc? [Re: shane4050]
    #21948275 - 07/15/15 04:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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popcorn seems to colonize faster because its such few grains and short lengths formyc totravel.



Which line is shorter?



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Re: Popcorn jar cobweb or myc? [Re: Kizzle]
    #21948295 - 07/15/15 04:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

the blue line didn't colonize all the grains tho. neither did the red.
smaller grains means more total surface to colonize right?


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Re: Popcorn jar cobweb or myc? [Re: spacechildo]
    #21948322 - 07/15/15 04:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Surface areas doesn't seem to affect colonization. I mean if I place some mycelium in the center of an agar plate and place some on the side of a different plate the mycelium seems to colonize the same distance from the inoculation point in each direction even though the one where it was placed in the center will have more area colonized in the same period of time.


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Re: Popcorn jar cobweb or myc? [Re: Kizzle]
    #21948328 - 07/15/15 04:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well the mycelium doesn't seem to swim along the grains, it just stretches across at the same speed. At least that is what I have noticed, granted I have never used popcorn. But no different with WBS and oats, except oats being faster. I will blame that on prep though.


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Re: Popcorn jar cobweb or myc? [Re: Kizzle]
    #21948342 - 07/15/15 04:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

it finds a path through the smaller grains faster.


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Re: Popcorn jar cobweb or myc? [Re: Kizzle]
    #21948350 - 07/15/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I mean if I place some mycelium in the center of an agar plate and place some on the side of a different plate the mycelium seems to colonize the same distance from the inoculation point in each direction even though the one where it was placed in the center will have more area colonized in the same period of time.




isn't that only normal tho? they grow the same but one of them doesnt get the chance to colonize the same amount?
or is your point that the myc doesnt care about the grains it just uses them to grow off of and just goes straight through "holes" in between grains without following the grains surface?


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Re: Popcorn jar cobweb or myc? [Re: spacechildo] * 1
    #21948563 - 07/15/15 05:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

My point is I don't know for sure why popcorn seems to colonize quicker but I don't think it's related to surface area. Popcorn has the highest water content of any of the common used grains, it has the largest pore size between kernels which might allow for better GE, it also has an usually dense hull. Any of those factor could be involved.


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Re: Popcorn jar cobweb or myc? [Re: Kizzle]
    #21948581 - 07/15/15 05:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm inclined to agree with Kizzle, but I'm not speaking from experience. I think its the same reason you don't pack cakes down, give them some air to stretch and travel. Lot of time lapse videos out there of fruiting, anybody seen any good colonization ones? I think that would be the more interesting viewing


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Re: Popcorn jar cobweb or myc? [Re: ZeroBoyWD] * 1
    #21948913 - 07/15/15 06:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Popcorn jar cobweb or myc? [Re: Kizzle]
    #21949038 - 07/15/15 07:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

that was fuckin awesome! I was just out for a walk and thought about drawing on/editing your pic to make it more like 3d, but this is way better!

And I like how they showed the bottom at the end, lots of people mistake that look for clean myc!


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Re: Popcorn jar cobweb or myc? [Re: spacechildo]
    #21949444 - 07/15/15 09:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Epic, dude. So is the mycelium overcoming or assimilating the trichoderma


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Re: Popcorn jar cobweb or myc? [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
    #21949455 - 07/15/15 09:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Epic, dude. So is the mycelium overcoming or assimilating the trichoderma




That doesn't happen. Trich is a parasitic mold that cube sis mycelium is the host for. It feeds on the mycelium and intertwined its own, white mycelium (green is the spores). The trich wins. Everytime.


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Re: Popcorn jar cobweb or myc? [Re: shane4050]
    #21949517 - 07/15/15 09:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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These look suspect to me, maybe its just the picture quality and jars. 
Either way, if you want fast colonization, drop a fat healthy agar wedge into a jar and create a master.  If the grains are prepared properly then your okay.  Focus on what you are inoculating your grains with as well as the technique.


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Re: Popcorn jar cobweb or myc? [Re: TravelAgency]
    #21949621 - 07/15/15 10:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Epic, dude. So is the mycelium overcoming or assimilating the trichoderma




That doesn't happen. Trich is a parasitic mold that cube sis mycelium is the host for. It feeds on the mycelium and intertwined its own, white mycelium (green is the spores). The trich wins. Everytime.




Assimilated then. Becomes one with the mold


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Re: Popcorn jar cobweb or myc? [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
    #21952601 - 07/16/15 03:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for the input guys, I'm gonna keep my eye on them and they could look wet because I'm using decorative mason jars.


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Re: Popcorn jar cobweb or myc? [Re: shane4050]
    #21963833 - 07/19/15 08:38 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quick update everything seems to be moving along steady.



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Re: Popcorn jar cobweb or myc? [Re: shane4050]
    #21964017 - 07/19/15 09:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

what I still don't get is why it's at the bottom


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Re: Popcorn jar cobweb or myc? [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #21964469 - 07/19/15 11:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

When i made jars on the dry side the spore solution ran staight to the bottom of the jar. When grain is not to dry the solution seems to merge with the moisture and u get a nice row of myc from top to bottom. Ehen a bit dry the solution has minimal moisture to merge with and mainly ends up on bottom. This is just in my limitied experiance and i could be wrong.


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Re: Popcorn jar cobweb or myc? [Re: lbot1983]
    #21964546 - 07/19/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I've never done grain but my hericium is getting the column of myc down the jar


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Re: Popcorn jar cobweb or myc? [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #21964562 - 07/19/15 11:34 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I've never done grain but my hericium is getting the column of myc down the jar



I am far from an expert, just what i have seen. For all i know i could be way off but i made a batch of wbs that was not soaked nearly long enough and all they mycelium started at the bottom, once i shook them things returned to an even spread.


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Re: Popcorn jar cobweb or myc? [Re: lbot1983]
    #21964591 - 07/19/15 11:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I did a 24 hr presoak simmered on low for a hour, strained dried and pc'd 12 jars all of them 500 ml with a self healing port to the side and polyfill fae port in the middle. My theory is that because the popcorn is so loosely packed in the jar and because my ports are to the side that the spore soloition collected together at the bottom. Just a theory because popcorn is so big and provides a lot of air between each grain.


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Re: Popcorn jar cobweb or myc? [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #21964715 - 07/19/15 12:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I've never done grain but my hericium is getting the column of myc down the jar




Popcorn is terrible for catching spores and culture so it slides right to the bottom. However no matter what grain is used culture is going to grab on better. With popcorn my growth always started at the bottom.


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Re: Popcorn jar cobweb or myc? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21964770 - 07/19/15 12:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

thanks pasty!


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Re: Popcorn jar cobweb or myc? [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #21965467 - 07/19/15 02:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You don't need to soak popcorn. Just boil it until it's soft enough that you can crush a kernel with your fingers which shouldn't be any more than 40 minutes.


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Re: Popcorn jar cobweb or myc? [Re: Kizzle]
    #21966637 - 07/19/15 06:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Oh I didn't know that, just figured I would be cautious. Will keep that in mind for next time.


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