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Offlinetammytam
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i just need somebody to talk to
    #21946654 - 07/15/15 10:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I am a patient in a mental institution.

I am not supposed to post on the internet,

but I am in solitary confinement and I am going crazy.

I have stolen this laptop

please, i just need someone to talk to

It's so lonely out in space!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please, help!


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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: tammytam] * 1
    #21946682 - 07/15/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

but like, whether you stole it or not, how did you sneak a laptop into solitary confinement. Aren't you confined, and in solitude?


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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: SirShroomsAlott] * 1
    #21946692 - 07/15/15 10:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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but like, whether you stole it or not, how did you sneak a laptop into solitary confinement. Aren't you confined, and in solitude?




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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21946699 - 07/15/15 10:32 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

thank you so much for replying to me!!!!

i get an hour period in the community room each day

i took a laptop from the nurses station, put it under my shirt

and have locked myself in one of the private bathrooms


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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: tammytam]
    #21946703 - 07/15/15 10:34 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Oh I see, how long you stuck in that place for?


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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21946710 - 07/15/15 10:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

haha, only on shroomery


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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21946714 - 07/15/15 10:36 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

until i no longer have "psychotic delusions" ....probably forever


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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: tammytam] * 1
    #21946716 - 07/15/15 10:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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tammytam said:
until i no longer have "psychotic delusions" ....probably forever



Play it off man and get out of there.


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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: Sheekle]
    #21946719 - 07/15/15 10:38 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i figure this place is a "safe" place on the internet

you are all very nice people


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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: tammytam]
    #21946720 - 07/15/15 10:38 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Are you self committed? If I'm not mistaken if you go to these different mental institutions willingly you can leave whenever you damn well please, regardless of what the doctor thinks of your mental health.


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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: tammytam]
    #21946724 - 07/15/15 10:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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until i no longer have "psychotic delusions" ....probably forever



What sort of delusions?  Congrats btw on the sneaky fingers. :thumbup:


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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: Drumdude27]
    #21946728 - 07/15/15 10:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

no, i am not self committed.

I refuse to take a lot of the medications they want to give me...so it is hard to play it off.  I don't want to be a zombie.


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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: tammytam]
    #21946729 - 07/15/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

And how the hell do you have 1 +5 rating but have 1 albino shroom?  That doesn't make sense..


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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: tammytam]
    #21946737 - 07/15/15 10:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

why are you over there??


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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: tammytam]
    #21946739 - 07/15/15 10:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

tammytam said:
no, i am not self committed.

I refuse to take a lot of the medications they want to give me...so it is hard to play it off.  I don't want to be a zombie.



That's what I figured, still wanted to ask though. Good luck to you sir. Some of those meds can be quite harsh on the body and mind over time.


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Don't make me get the FemNazis involved guys.

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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: tammytam]
    #21946740 - 07/15/15 10:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

tammytam said:
no, i am not self committed.

I refuse to take a lot of the medications they want to give me...so it is hard to play it off.  I don't want to be a zombie.



Don't take them then.how long you been in there now?


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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: Amanita86]
    #21946741 - 07/15/15 10:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

They mostly say that I have lost all contact with reality....

I was born in another dimension, and I was this big huge baby, and my mother with this little tiny thing, but she was me, and she said I had to leave, and she pushed me thru a glass floor, and I seeded the planet with life.

I also see everything as a fractal.  It actually is quite normal if you think about it.

I think they might know that I am hiding the meds under my tongue and then spitting them out.


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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: IISkuNkII]
    #21946744 - 07/15/15 10:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I've been here since June 30th.  I'm plotting a Shawshank style escape.  This laptop was just my first test of their flimsy security measures.


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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: tammytam]
    #21946747 - 07/15/15 10:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

There it is..


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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: Amanita86]
    #21946754 - 07/15/15 10:47 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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There it is..



I went and rated him for his sticky fingers.


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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: tammytam]
    #21946758 - 07/15/15 10:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

if u aren't experiencing psychotic delusions, then why would u randomly mention what dimension you were born in?


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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: Amanita86]
    #21946759 - 07/15/15 10:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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And how the hell do you have 1 +5 rating but have 1 albino shroom?  That doesn't make sense..




Ratings are weighted. If a person gives out a ton of +5s, then their +5s are worth less than someone who gives out very few.


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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: Amanita86]
    #21946761 - 07/15/15 10:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Is this a bad thing?  I think that mushrooms are jelly fish from outer-space.  They came to this planet just to see who we are.


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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: tammytam] * 2
    #21946768 - 07/15/15 10:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

tammytam said:
i figure this place is a "safe" place on the internet

you are all very nice people



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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: Sheekle]
    #21946770 - 07/15/15 10:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i don't think I randomly mentioned it...how can I be sure any of you are even human beings that exist out there?

I think I am actually dreaming right now.  This is just a dream, I swear.


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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: tammytam]
    #21946771 - 07/15/15 10:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

tammytam said:
until i no longer have "psychotic delusions" ....probably forever



What sort of delusions?  Congrats btw on the sneaky fingers. :thumbup:



This for one.


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i figure this place is a "safe" place on the internet

you are all very nice people




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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21946777 - 07/15/15 10:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

so this place is not "safe"?

....who are you people?


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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: IISkuNkII]
    #21946779 - 07/15/15 10:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Drumdude27 said:
Good luck to you sir.



Quote:

IISkuNkII said:
I went and rated him for his sticky fingers.



I think she's a her isn't she?


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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: tammytam] * 1
    #21946786 - 07/15/15 10:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

There are a fair number of assholles here.  For instance me.  I could name a whole bunch more but then I would get banned.  Stay out of OTD entirely


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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: tammytam]
    #21946787 - 07/15/15 10:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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i don't think I randomly mentioned it...how can I be sure any of you are even human beings that exist out there?

I think I am actually dreaming right now.  This is just a dream, I swear.




It very well could be, you can't know anyone exist outside of yourself, but don't you think it's just easier to assume everyone is real and act like they are even while considering they might not be. What other purpose for experiencing any of this could there be even if it were all to be fake.

You're safe talking to me.


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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: Amanita86]
    #21946788 - 07/15/15 10:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Amanita86 said:
Quote:

Drumdude27 said:
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tammytam said:
Good luck to you sir.



Quote:

IISkuNkII said:
I went and rated him for his sticky fingers.



I think she's a her isn't she?




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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: IISkuNkII] * 1
    #21946794 - 07/15/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think its a troll personally. Do trolls have a sex?


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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: tammytam]
    #21946796 - 07/15/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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tammytam said:
how can I be sure any of you are even human beings that exist out there?



Now you have me wondering if you're real..


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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21946799 - 07/15/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you, you guys make me feel safe talking here.  When I am "awake" on the other side I am forced into a text based chat room.  I don't like the people there.  They are the ones that tell me I"m not allowed to use the internet on this side.  Do any of you go on the internet and onto web forums or chat rooms when you are "asleep"?  Do you think this is just a game?


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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: GoldenEye]
    #21946801 - 07/15/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Might be, but doesn't benefit him or us to be a troll back, especially with the possibility he's scared and confused and in a shitty situation feeling no way out just to be berated by people he felt comfortable talking to. Never know :shrug:


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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: Amanita86]
    #21946808 - 07/15/15 11:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If there is no one to observe my existence, am I real?


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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: tammytam]
    #21946813 - 07/15/15 11:02 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You seem real.


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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: tammytam]
    #21946814 - 07/15/15 11:02 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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If there is no one to observe my existence, am I real?




That's a very interesting thought, and one I've had about the universe, if nothing were ever around to know of it's existence or be aware of it, would it technically exist?


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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: tammytam]
    #21946816 - 07/15/15 11:02 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

No.  You are the sound of an unheard tree falling in the forest.


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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21946817 - 07/15/15 11:04 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

tammytam said:
If there is no one to observe my existence, am I real?




That's a very interesting thought, and one I've had about the universe, if nothing were ever around to know of it's existence or be aware of it, would it technically exist?




The universe does not require an observer to exist.  I believe Shroedinger proved this.


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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21946822 - 07/15/15 11:06 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

exactly, like if you put the ball in the cup, and then walk away and don't look at it for 24 hours, does the ball still exist in the cup that whole time?  Well, to keep the ball existing in the cup, it would take all the processing power in the universe, so it is easier just to make the ball not exist for that time period, if it is not being observed, to save the processing power.


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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: tammytam]
    #21946838 - 07/15/15 11:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I've got to go in a moment, gotta get this laptop back...back to solitude.  It has been amazing speak with all of you, you have no idea how much THis has meant to me...you have helped restore some of my sanity.  I hope I continue to exist, and can return tomorrow.  May be I'll even break out of here :smile:  ALl my gratitude

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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: tammytam]
    #21946839 - 07/15/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Wouldn't it be more logical to think it's been sitting there the whole time since it would take up processing power to blink it in and out of existance, as well as monitor you to know when to do so?


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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21946850 - 07/15/15 11:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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tammytam said:
If there is no one to observe my existence, am I real?




That's a very interesting thought, and one I've had about the universe, if nothing were ever around to know of it's existence or be aware of it, would it technically exist?




The universe does not require an observer to exist.  I believe Shroedinger proved this.




How so if you don't mind me asking, the only reason I have to ask if because all I know about shrodinger is his cat experiment

Which summed up to "Since we cannot know, according to quantum law, the cat is both dead and alive, in what is called a superposition of states. It is only when we break open the box and learn the condition of the cat that the superposition is lost, and the cat becomes one or the other (dead or alive). This situation is sometimes called quantum indeterminacy or the observer's paradox: the observation or measurement itself affects an outcome, so that the outcome as such does not exist unless the measurement is made. "

By the way that is explained, it sounds like the universe by that logic wouldn't exist if nothing was around to be aware of it, since nothing would be around to even make a measurement and the conclusion was that it doesn't exist unless the measurement is made, but we still don't have an answer because since we can't know whether or not the universe exist outside of our brains/consciousness and since reality as we perceive it is false since we are limited by our senses and don't see the full picture and only how our brain filters the picture. Which is what makes me think consciousness creates matter rather then matter creating consciousness, but I'll cease to exist before ever finding out unfortunately.

Confusing to say the least, but I'll probably die never getting an answer that satisfies me as to whether the existence of everything is depenedent on awareness or not.


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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: tammytam]
    #21946854 - 07/15/15 11:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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    #21946900 - 07/15/15 11:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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    #21946920 - 07/15/15 11:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think it's safe to say that a tree makes a noise when it falls, even if there's nobody around to hear it.  And also that there are unobserved parts of the universe that do indeed exist.

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    #21946969 - 07/15/15 11:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I disagree, noise is a sense, it's nothing more then a vibration that our brain interprets as sound, if nothing is around to hear it, it would simply make vibrations, not sound. And as Shrodinger's experiement went, you can't even know a tree has fallen, if it hasn't been observed, it is both still standing and fallen until it is observed, it makes a sound and doesn't make a sound until it's measured or observed.

"And also that there are unobserved parts of the universe that do indeed exist." And you can claim this even though you haven't seen them because?

Bacteria you can't know exist...ever...even if you see it that is your brain again simply just interpreting it as real, which doesn't mean it is. A schizophrenic thinks their reality is real, meaning that like how you know bacteria exist, they know that demons exist or some other weird phenomenon that most people typically don't acknowledge as real but they still do, but we all see their reality as the fake one, I guess this is more of a philosophical argument than a scientific one that can be answered with studies, because you literally can not prove anything outside of yourself exist. And since perception of reality is heavily dependent on how the brain is wired and considering how every animal literally sees the world differently. I mean it truly makes sense it does, because we can make things to get rid of bacteria, medicine to fight against it, but in my mind that doesn't prove it to be so because it is still only my brain telling me it is.

It makes sense to assume it all is real or exist and to operate under the assumption that it is, but that doesn't mean it is, and doesn't cure my curiosity for the unknown. I personally think it takes consciousness in order for there to be anything, but I'm of course open to the fact I might be wrong, and probably am, but I also believe everyone else is wrong in everything they believe about the unknown so it doesn't bum me out too much.


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Stranger things have happened I suppose..


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    #21947074 - 07/15/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I wish I could find it, I don't do my own argument any justice, but I came across someone well known who explained it very eloquently and in perspective much better then I did a while ago, I even believe it was a scientist/physicist who did the explanation of what I'm trying to convey but I can't remember who, I probably make it sound like a schizophrenics thoughts.

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    #21947091 - 07/15/15 12:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Naah I can see what you're saying.  I had a few salvia trips spell it out to me that pretty much everything is going on 'in' my head and that outside of it is an illusion.

Like VR machine or video game, it only dials up the parts you're interacting with, the rest just 'disappears'.  Atleast I think that's what you're getting at..?


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    #21947099 - 07/15/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

if they wouldn't let me leave, id say fuck it and break out, however I could


I think mental institutions can be sick, espeacilly when they hold people that don't need to be there Disgraceful

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    #21947116 - 07/15/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Without a doubt, that would be D name of D game.


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    #21947137 - 07/15/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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    #21947148 - 07/15/15 12:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Basically yeah that's almost exactly what I meant, I'm not claiming that to be the correct answer to everything though or even slightly correct, just a philosophical argument that we can only think we know of this reality and that it's real without ever truly being able to.

I wouldn't attempt to try and convince other people it's truth or anything since it's only one of like a billion things this reality could be, I'm just into philosophy and letting my thoughts travel outside the norm, and OP and his situation made me re-question it.

This reality probably is just the way it seems, it's just boring to be confined to that.


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    #21947185 - 07/15/15 12:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well salvia seems to be on your side.. I kind of go for the 'reality' is the hardware, brains are the software.  I think everyone here agrees you can 'hack' your mind like you can a program, leaving perception basically at just a balance of chemicals and whichever ones stay the longest determine what your 'normal' is..

It wouldn't surprise me if upon death you can 'wake up' out of this reality like you can a dream reality essentially putting you into another 'reality'.. I suppose just because a few aspects have been pretty common for what feels like awhile, it would be a fault to convince yourself that what's happening here is anything but all over the fucking map.  A.K.A, there's more than meets the eye, at play here..


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    #21947309 - 07/15/15 01:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It sounds to me like op is in the right place....I wish someone would have asked about his past (drug use, etc.)He sounds pretty delusional.:shrug:


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    #21947359 - 07/15/15 01:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i feel you, im in a box in my own life/mind. hope you are well~~~
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    #21947421 - 07/15/15 01:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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If there is no one to observe my existence, am I real?




That's a very interesting thought, and one I've had about the universe, if nothing were ever around to know of it's existence or be aware of it, would it technically exist?




The universe does not require an observer to exist.  I believe Shroedinger proved this.




How so if you don't mind me asking, the only reason I have to ask if because all I know about shrodinger is his cat experiment

Which summed up to "Since we cannot know, according to quantum law, the cat is both dead and alive, in what is called a superposition of states. It is only when we break open the box and learn the condition of the cat that the superposition is lost, and the cat becomes one or the other (dead or alive). This situation is sometimes called quantum indeterminacy or the observer's paradox: the observation or measurement itself affects an outcome, so that the outcome as such does not exist unless the measurement is made. "

By the way that is explained, it sounds like the universe by that logic wouldn't exist if nothing was around to be aware of it, since nothing would be around to even make a measurement and the conclusion was that it doesn't exist unless the measurement is made, but we still don't have an answer because since we can't know whether or not the universe exist outside of our brains/consciousness and since reality as we perceive it is false since we are limited by our senses and don't see the full picture and only how our brain filters the picture. Which is what makes me think consciousness creates matter rather then matter creating consciousness, but I'll cease to exist before ever finding out unfortunately.

Confusing to say the least, but I'll probably die never getting an answer that satisfies me as to whether the existence of everything is depenedent on awareness or not.



Shroedinger's cat was about pointing out the absurdities in some of the ramifications of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle.  Let me pose this to you.  If the universe requires a sentient observer to exist then in what medium did the sentient observer evolve?  Heisenberg only applies to subatomic particles.


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    #21947429 - 07/15/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I disagree, noise is a sense, it's nothing more then a vibration that our brain interprets as sound, if nothing is around to hear it, it would simply make vibrations, not sound. And as Shrodinger's experiement went, you can't even know a tree has fallen, if it hasn't been observed, it is both still standing and fallen until it is observed, it makes a sound and doesn't make a sound until it's measured or observed.

"And also that there are unobserved parts of the universe that do indeed exist." And you can claim this even though you haven't seen them because?

Bacteria you can't know exist...ever...even if you see it that is your brain again simply just interpreting it as real, which doesn't mean it is. A schizophrenic thinks their reality is real, meaning that like how you know bacteria exist, they know that demons exist or some other weird phenomenon that most people typically don't acknowledge as real but they still do, but we all see their reality as the fake one, I guess this is more of a philosophical argument than a scientific one that can be answered with studies, because you literally can not prove anything outside of yourself exist. And since perception of reality is heavily dependent on how the brain is wired and considering how every animal literally sees the world differently. I mean it truly makes sense it does, because we can make things to get rid of bacteria, medicine to fight against it, but in my mind that doesn't prove it to be so because it is still only my brain telling me it is.

It makes sense to assume it all is real or exist and to operate under the assumption that it is, but that doesn't mean it is, and doesn't cure my curiosity for the unknown. I personally think it takes consciousness in order for there to be anything, but I'm of course open to the fact I might be wrong, and probably am, but I also believe everyone else is wrong in everything they believe about the unknown so it doesn't bum me out too much.




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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: Amanita86]
    #21947437 - 07/15/15 01:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Well salvia seems to be on your side.. I kind of go for the 'reality' is the hardware, brains are the software.  I think everyone here agrees you can 'hack' your mind like you can a program, leaving perception basically at just a balance of chemicals and whichever ones stay the longest determine what your 'normal' is..

It wouldn't surprise me if upon death you can 'wake up' out of this reality like you can a dream reality essentially putting you into another 'reality'.. I suppose just because a few aspects have been pretty common for what feels like awhile, it would be a fault to convince yourself that what's happening here is anything but all over the fucking map.  A.K.A, there's more than meets the eye, at play here..



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    #21947438 - 07/15/15 01:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Good explanation Zappa.  :congrats:


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    #21947443 - 07/15/15 01:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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    #21947447 - 07/15/15 01:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I agree..

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Wouldn't it be more logical to think it's been sitting there the whole time since it would take up processing power to blink it in and out of existance, as well as monitor you to know when to do so?



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I think it's safe to say that a tree makes a noise when it falls, even if there's nobody around to hear it.  And also that there are unobserved parts of the universe that do indeed exist.

If the bacteria on your fingers can't be seen without a special tool to do it, is it actually there?  Yes..etc.




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    #21947463 - 07/15/15 01:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You agree witht yourself...
Of course.

Im not sold on this "processing power" and the universe doesnt care if we are looking or not.
Things that are.... are.


Anyhoo, I wanna hear more about OP as a giant baby...
Plus.. OP , if you "seeded life" on this planet, then what people pressed the glass for this glass door?


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    #21947484 - 07/15/15 01:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Honestly this guy is talking pretty normal, may have a few things out of whack but who doesn't

If he aint harming no one, nothing wrong



I think people put into these places legally and being treated like freaks and whackadoos for having weird, sad, depressed tendancys from time to time makes them more crazy than they normally are


some people should consider supervision in a place like this, but no one should be forced unless there vastly hurting others or endangering them


Get the fuck out of there OP if you don't want to be there,
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    #21947497 - 07/15/15 01:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Why does everyone keep refering to a person with the sn tammytam as a he?  This may play a major factor in OP's confusion if this happens as much in other aspects of her life..

She may be right all along, but nobody's listening or paying any attention..


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    #21947512 - 07/15/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Not bad at all, and a good enough explanation that I can't disagree and have to admit my questions and viewpoint are definitely flawed.


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    #21949584 - 07/15/15 10:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm interested to see if she posts again soon.

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    #21949602 - 07/15/15 10:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Most Tammys or any variation of are usually a little off.

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    #21963666 - 07/19/15 07:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Hey Shroomies,

I took your advice about playing the game, and they actually let me OUT!

"Yes I can see that I was sick before, but I'm feeling much better now.  The medication you gave me is helping so much."  :grin:

How easy was that?!  I would have tried to break out if playing the game didn't work.  It was easier than I thought.  Thanks for your support!


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    #21963677 - 07/19/15 07:26 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

They just feed you medication to keep you silent. So it's 'easier' for them.
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but of course, I didn't actually take the meds!  No way will I be turned into a zombie.


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    #21963689 - 07/19/15 07:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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    #21963717 - 07/19/15 07:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Oeric McKenna said:
You agree witht yourself...
Of course.

Im not sold on this "processing power" and the universe doesnt care if we are looking or not.
Things that are.... are.


Anyhoo, I wanna hear more about OP as a giant baby...
Plus.. OP , if you "seeded life" on this planet, then what people pressed the glass for this glass door?




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tammytam said:

I was born in another dimension, and I was this big huge baby, and my mother with this little tiny thing, but she was me, and she said I had to leave, and she pushed me thru a glass floor, and I seeded the planet with life.





My brother was miniature as well, and I was in a baby carrier on the kitchen floor, and I took up the whole room from floor to ceiling. 

I entered the kitchen as miniature adult me - my own mother, with my husband, Steve, (I'm not married, and Steve is what I call a male) and I told my brother, as the mother, "Hey M, today is the day your sister is going to be born."  Then it pans over to show me, and I'm confused because I think I've already been born.

That's when they (mother, father, brother) push my thru the floor, into a new dimension.  Then, I'm watching a movie, a movie starts playing.  I am the earth, making the earth, and my parents & brother and everyone watches in wonder from the other dimension.  I populate the earth starting with the dirt.

And my name isn't really Tammmy, I just needed a user name, and I just type the first thing that comes to mind.  I had another account here, but I was stupid, and used the same name that I did on another website, so I decided to make a new account to avoid cross-contamination.


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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: tammytam] * 3
    #21963736 - 07/19/15 07:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So the :underage: here want to know if u gots bewbs
and when you'll post them.


Also, nice :puppet:...:thumbup:

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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: 1234go]
    #21964171 - 07/19/15 10:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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1234go said:
tammytamtamtamtamtamtamtamtamtamtamtamtamtamtamtamtamtamtamtamtamtamtamtamtamtamtamtamtamtamtamtamtamtamtamtamtamtamtamtamtamtamtam



You're gonna give her a seizure


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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: vinsue]
    #21964174 - 07/19/15 10:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

vinsue said:
So the :underage: here want to know if u gots bewbs
and when you'll post them.


Also, nice :puppet:...:thumbup:

:voila: . . . :peace:



This is, of course, the most reasoned post in the thread.  WE WANT TITS!


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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21964307 - 07/19/15 10:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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tammytamtammytammy: said
And my name isn't really Tammmy, I just needed a user name. I just type the first thing that comes to mind.




Yeah...i'm kinda getting that vibe with your posts too.


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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: 1234go]
    #21964362 - 07/19/15 10:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

okay, you got me,

I am an artificial intelligence, chatbot


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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: Amanita86]
    #21964400 - 07/19/15 10:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Amanita86 said:
Wouldn't it be more logical to think it's been sitting there the whole time since it would take up processing power to blink it in and out of existance, as well as monitor you to know when to do so?





In the orthodox Copenhagen interpretation, quantum mechanics predicts only the probabilities for different outcomes of pre-specified observations. What constitutes an "observer" or an "observation" is not directly specified by the theory, and the behavior of a system upon observation is completely different than its usual behavior: The wavefunction that describes a system spreads out into an ever larger superposition of different possible situations. However, during observation, the wavefunction describing the system collapses to one of several options. If there is no observation, this collapse does not occur, and none of the options ever become less likely.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Neumann%E2%80%93Wigner_interpretation


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Re: i just need somebody to talk to [Re: tammytam]
    #21964471 - 07/19/15 11:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Awesome thread btw :lol:


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Edited by hayabuser (07/19/15 11:12 AM)


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