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Wanting Psychosis?
    #21946508 - 07/15/15 09:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Wanting psychosis? Society tells you its bad and insane but its basically breaking through the bullshit? Thoughts on thoughts please


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Re: Wanting Psychosis? [Re: necrobytez] * 4
    #21946512 - 07/15/15 09:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

no.  psychosis is awful.  there are aspects of it that aren't too bad, but for the most part it is not a fun time.


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Re: Wanting Psychosis? [Re: sanchothestoner]
    #21946521 - 07/15/15 09:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

But its not unhealthy to experience it as an intelligent monkey?


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Re: Wanting Psychosis? [Re: necrobytez]
    #21946529 - 07/15/15 09:28 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

follow your heart :heart::smile:


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Re: Wanting Psychosis? [Re: necrobytez] * 1
    #21946531 - 07/15/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:facepalm:


Ever watched Shutter Island? That's psychosis, I wouldn't want that.. because you don't know what's real and what's not at that point making anything you think invalid.


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Re: Wanting Psychosis? [Re: Hayoxp] * 2
    #21946542 - 07/15/15 09:34 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Ever watched Shutter Island? That's psychosis, I wouldn't want that.. because you don't know what's real and what's not at that point making anything you think invalid.




exactly.  i was engulfed into a psychosis dreamland for a few years and i was damn delusional.  the experience strengthened me for the better, but i feel truly sorry for anyone who has to live with it for the rest of their lives.  i still experience psychotic symptoms, but mostly i feel my bipolarity at work.

there is also a huge difference between psychosis and being liberated from societies constructed norms and elevating your consciousness.


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Re: Wanting Psychosis? [Re: sanchothestoner]
    #21946545 - 07/15/15 09:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Hayoxp said:
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Ever watched Shutter Island? That's psychosis, I wouldn't want that.. because you don't know what's real and what's not at that point making anything you think invalid.




exactly.  i was engulfed into a psychosis dreamland for a few years and i was damn delusional.  the experience strengthened me for the better, but i feel truly sorry for anyone who has to live with it for the rest of their lives.  i still experience psychotic symptoms, but mostly i feel my bipolarity at work.

there is also a huge difference between psychosis and being liberated from societies constructed norms and elevating your consciousness.




Whats the word for an elevated conciousness? Enlightened? Psychosis and enlightment are on the 'same' spectrum in the conciousness?

The duality of psychosis/enlightment?
How to be enlightmend? Is it by living in the present moment only?


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Re: Wanting Psychosis? [Re: necrobytez] * 1
    #21946556 - 07/15/15 09:41 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

no enlightenment and psychosis are totally different.  when yer enlightened, you have good thoughts.  when yer psychotic, you have bad thoughts.  that's probably as simple as i can put it.


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Re: Wanting Psychosis? [Re: sanchothestoner]
    #21946562 - 07/15/15 09:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks! Kinda made sense, but because they are totally different they are still kind of the 'same'? Just the duality of conciousness?


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Re: Wanting Psychosis? [Re: sanchothestoner]
    #21946564 - 07/15/15 09:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I've had pretty bad psychosis, really bad. I feared it, it made me go crazy. Nothing WAS fun about it.... but... I get very mild psychosis now and in some aspects, it is not all that bad. I embrace it and it makes me feel alive, takes boredom away :ahahaha:


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Re: Wanting Psychosis? [Re: daz01] * 1
    #21946583 - 07/15/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Try not sleeping for a few days and see if hallucinating sounds is fun, or try deliriants.
Or listen to what others have to say and be grateful for your sanity.

On the other hand being perma-fried sounds tempting.


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Re: Wanting Psychosis? [Re: Capt. Stern]
    #21946596 - 07/15/15 10:00 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Wanting Psychosis? [Re: necrobytez]
    #21946612 - 07/15/15 10:03 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Wanting psychosis? Society tells you its bad and insane but its basically breaking through the bullshit? Thoughts on thoughts please



It is not breaking through bullshit.  It is a nightmare.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/social-issues/the-homeless-man-who-graduated-from-harvard-law-school-with-chief-justice-john-roberts/2015/07/13/63257b5c-20ca-11e5-bf41-c23f5d3face1_story.html

If you think psychotics have a keener insight on reality than you are already psychotic.


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Re: Wanting Psychosis? [Re: necrobytez]
    #21946624 - 07/15/15 10:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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This is pretty interesting;
http://genealogyreligion.net/shamans-as-schizophrenics




yes it is, and i believe in that to an extent.  not every schizo or psychotic individual will have an experience like that.  i know some truly nutty people, and i also know some shaman like people.  i'm actually included in the shaman category, at least what i've been told by many and from my experiences.  truly psychotic individuals can't live there life normally.  their mental illness takes a huge toll on them.  the difference with shaman types is that they seem to have a different mindset, they are more grounded and have different experiences.


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Re: Wanting Psychosis? [Re: necrobytez]
    #21946826 - 07/15/15 11:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Whats the word for an elevated conciousness? Enlightened? Psychosis and enlightment are on the 'same' spectrum in the conciousness?

The duality of psychosis/enlightment?
How to be enlightmend? Is it by living in the present moment only?




Different sides of same altered states coin IMO.

Enlightenment is something to be strived for, psychosis avoided like plague.

Enlightenment entails good feels for self and humanity, laughter

Psychosis at least for me, results in rage and sobbing fits, wanting to die.


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Re: Wanting Psychosis? [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #21946896 - 07/15/15 11:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

When I was psychotic, my mind became its own hell. I have severe PTSD because of it. I see every little movement in my field of vision and I hear every tiny noise. I need a fan to fall asleep.

Psychosis is all of the worst things that could possibly happen to you all at once and more.


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Re: Wanting Psychosis? [Re: healing]
    #21946965 - 07/15/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So..
Datura = Satan. Psychosis?
DMT = God. Enlightment?


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Re: Wanting Psychosis? [Re: necrobytez]
    #21946971 - 07/15/15 11:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Nah. Deliriants are not hellish, just severely disorienting.


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Re: Wanting Psychosis? [Re: healing]
    #21946996 - 07/15/15 12:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Psychosis is not fun, it isn't anything like enlightenment. It is hell in your own mind, and nothing but lies. You are even farther from the truth than this "reality" that we live in.


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Re: Wanting Psychosis? [Re: OsculateOfDemise]
    #21946999 - 07/15/15 12:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, you're trapped there, and you are completely isolated.


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Re: Wanting Psychosis? [Re: healing]
    #21947035 - 07/15/15 12:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Why does it happen in the conciousness?


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Re: Wanting Psychosis? [Re: necrobytez]
    #21947210 - 07/15/15 12:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I have been psychotic twice and found it hugely enjoyable, interesting, exciting, profound etc. It was more euphoric then scary. The problem was for my friends and family it was very frightening and upsetting, and that made it bad. So now I avoid things that will make me psychotic.


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Re: Wanting Psychosis? [Re: necrobytez]
    #21947220 - 07/15/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Read this for basics on psychosis and check out our special forum for that topic

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20893557


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Re: Wanting Psychosis? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #21947257 - 07/15/15 12:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah Moonshoe and I are true psychotics.

In essence being psychotic is being awake and dreaming to some extent at the same time. Thas basically IT.

This can be a nightmare or sublime. It can enlighten you or cast a dark shadow over your life.

This musical piece has some of the tragedy and triuumph in it. I loved this while psychotic. Its a metaphor in lyrics, music and noise of sanity slipping the hard way.



I listened to this, playing it LOUD, as a psychotic teenager in a mental hospital. Loved it. It empowered me.

Check out that forum Moonshoe linked.



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Re: Wanting Psychosis? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #21964011 - 07/19/15 09:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I agree with this.  Seems I enjoyed this state til' loved ones witnessed it, sometimes I wish MXE was more like Ketamine so I'd be immobilized in bed rather than muttering and prowling like a drunken t-rex.  The concern and feedback received has put a bit of a complex on my state.  C'est la vie..

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2. Sometimes, genius and madness can be two sides of the same coin.




Wow great minds!


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Re: Wanting Psychosis? [Re: Asante]
    #21964037 - 07/19/15 09:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Yeah Moonshoe and I are true psychotics.




Given your latest revelations about the universe I am starting to believe this might not be hyperbole
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In essence being psychotic is being awake and dreaming to some extent at the same time. Thas basically IT.






Neurotics build castles in the sky.  Psychotics live in them.


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Re: Wanting Psychosis? [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #21964131 - 07/19/15 10:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If you think psychosis is anything positive your wrong. It  is literally a living nightmare. Absolute hell. Fight or flight. At the time of it happening you'd do anything to make it stop, even wanting to kill yourself. Society is not bullshitting. I don't know why anyone would want to experience psychosis. Or ego death for that matter. The process of getting to "ego death" is not even remotely pleasant. It's traumatic, it feels like you are literally dying. If you are one in life who strongly identifies with your ego then during the process of "ego death" you will fight what you think is yourself actually dying. Maybe if you're just someone who doesn't give a shit about anything or doesn't embrace who you are it'll be easier to achieve "ego death". For those wanting to achieve ego death, don't put yourself through it! Psychosis is not enlightening.

I know people are probably going to disagree but that is just my opinion. Peace.


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Re: Wanting Psychosis? [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #21964210 - 07/19/15 10:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Yeah Moonshoe and I are true psychotics.




Given your latest revelations about the universe I am starting to believe this might not be hyperbole
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In essence being psychotic is being awake and dreaming to some extent at the same time. Thas basically IT.






Neurotics build castles in the sky.  Psychotics live in them.




It would be disrespectful to people with psychotic disorders to claim you have it too when you don't.

I have it, and at any time of my life I am always to some degree psychotic. That doesn't disqualify me from being right from time to time though.

I'm no more psychotic than I have ever been, what I stopped doing though is the self censoring to appear "normal" when online. Why should I torment myself to appear to be what I'm not? An unhealthy fear of being rejected for my true nature was replaced with a healthy dose doing my thing regardless of what people may think of it, trusting that the folks who truly mean me well will respect me for it.

Having a psychotic disorder can be greatly unhinging and is one of the most tragic mental diseases because it alienates people from others and themselves.

I'm shattering the taboo by acknowledging that I'm a psychotic, instead of hiding it like a dirty secret. Its ok to be truly weird.


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Re: Wanting Psychosis? [Re: Asante]
    #21964238 - 07/19/15 10:36 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Asante said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
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Asante said:
Yeah Moonshoe and I are true psychotics.




Given your latest revelations about the universe I am starting to believe this might not be hyperbole
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In essence being psychotic is being awake and dreaming to some extent at the same time. Thas basically IT.






Neurotics build castles in the sky.  Psychotics live in them.




It would be disrespectful to people with psychotic disorders to claim you have it too when you don't.

I have it, and at any time of my life I am always to some degree psychotic. That doesn't disqualify me from being right from time to time though.

I'm no more psychotic than I have ever been, what I stopped doing though is the self censoring to appear "normal" when online. Why should I torment myself to appear to be what I'm not? An unhealthy fear of being rejected for my true nature was replaced with a healthy dose doing my thing regardless of what people may think of it, trusting that the folks who truly mean me well will respect me for it.

Having a psychotic disorder can be greatly unhinging and is one of the most tragic mental diseases because it alienates people from others and themselves.

I'm shattering the taboo by acknowledging that I'm a psychotic, instead of hiding it like a dirty secret. Its ok to be truly weird.




:heart:  :blazed:

Seriously kids, you don´t want psychosis. Think it´s fun to be a bit weird, to see some weird shit and in general weird people out?
It totally is.
And then you have a job interview coming up, and you want it to stop... and it doesn´t stop.
That is when things start to get really dark...


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Re: Wanting Psychosis? [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #21964262 - 07/19/15 10:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Not sure if you were responding to me but if you read my first post, it agrees with your statement: Yes, psychosis can be terrifying to experience- it is my belief that overcoming it is enlightening.  Not identifying with a state of mind doesn't equate to not caring, quite the contrary.


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Re: Wanting Psychosis? [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #21964800 - 07/19/15 12:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I was responding to the thread in general, not anyone in particular. I don't understand what is enlightening about overcoming psychosis. What would one learn that is positive, useful, & can be integrated in their life during psychosis?

Ego death is overrated as fuck & most people who want ego death have no clue what they're getting themselves into. I hate when people talk about ego death & how they "realized how little they are in the world". To me that just sounds like really fucking negative. If anything you should believe in yourself, embrace who you are, & believe that you have the capability to change the world.

This is a realistic question, I'm not trying to be an asshole, what have you learned that is positive from psychosis and ego death?


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Re: Wanting Psychosis? [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #21964835 - 07/19/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

threads like this are why i cant stand TPE anymore :facepalm: guess you can't escape them all

fuckin wanna be shamans.



ive been psychotic and delusional for over 8 months. it was the worst time in my life


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Re: Wanting Psychosis? [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #21964837 - 07/19/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

After you complete a sequence of ego death trips though you will enter the realm of TRANSPERSONAL trips for the remainder of your tripping career.

Thats basically trips like I get em, highly mystical, spiritual and profound, dealing with Gods, Spirits and Archetypes.

According to Stanislav Grof people in their first trips mostly get flying colors and giggles... then they work through stuff that happened in life, all the way through childhood.. then the birth trauma and Ego Death take the stage and once you are through that.. the Magic starts. (that which most of you consider insane, but isnt)

Most people confuse egoLOSS with egoDEATH. Its not at all the same. With egoLOSS the integrity of your ego slips away with egoDEATH you are in a high state of alarm, facing annihilation on all imaginable levels. In Ego Death you get GORED, its not a peaceful process like egoLOSS is. Your fear consumes itself.

Wanting to experience psychosis is kinda like wanting to experience kundalini. Most people dont have a CLUE what they are getting into.


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Re: Wanting Psychosis? [Re: necrobytez]
    #21964874 - 07/19/15 01:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Psychedelics can put ideas in your mind that certainly aren't true to this physical reality.They can also open you to new realites.
They do many things, some of it could be considered psychosis. It wears off. So what?

do you want to trip without drugs? Take a hell ride of pure psychotic madness?:hellfire:
ime one way to trigger a psychotic episode in a normally healthy person is to simply stop sleeping. whenever you start getting tired make a pot of coffee. If you do fall asleep don't worry when you wake up just get back to the coffee make it STRONGER this time. Have patience. Turn on the tv and relax with a good show. Sci-fi is a good choice.  Strange patterns emerge. You forget it's a show.You find secret codes appearing  in the way that the letters are ordered. You start finding clue's that someone has been moving things in you house, positioning them a certain way to tell you things. :alien:  Dont go outside! stop now!! Oops, its to late, This new world of delusion is too compelling. You go outside and notice that  everyone is following and watching you everywhere you go. You end up walking next to a busy highway thinking nothing of it...  You are in the white room, you believe it is the nexus between heaven and hell and you don't want to take the pill because you are convinced they are trying to kill you. Your parents should be feeling pretty bad when they hear out about this.

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Re: Wanting Psychosis? [Re: Love_spirit]
    #21964890 - 07/19/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

mental illness is just your brain making too many connections based on enviromental stimuli or what have you

once you get old the connections turn to grey matter or whatever faster and you age in double time


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Re: Wanting Psychosis? [Re: Konyap]
    #21964991 - 07/19/15 01:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Hello Asante. The term I was referring to in my previous comments was "ego death". Which was the scariest, most traumatic thing I have probably ever been through in my life that I can remember. After being in fight or flight mode for what seemed like eternity, which was really maybe a half hour or so I don't know, (trapped inside my house) I finally couldn't take it anymore it was a living hell so I literally dropped down to let myself die but right after I had overwhelming feelings of survival again & something telling me that I cannot die like this so it turned into another hour or so of being in "fight or flight". When I came to it again it was a bone-crushing blow...


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Re: Wanting Psychosis? [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #21965000 - 07/19/15 01:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yes that definitely is Ego Death.  I specified it because people on this forum talk about it so lightly.

Yes you had the real deal, the imminent sense of complete destruction at all levels


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Re: Wanting Psychosis? [Re: Asante]
    #21965018 - 07/19/15 01:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I agree that most folks here do. I guess they are getting the two mixed up. Good explanations.


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Re: Wanting Psychosis? [Re: Asante]
    #21965829 - 07/19/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I would add that egodeath is not just the fear of complete annihilated, it is the complete involuntary annihilation of the self. You lose 100% of control of yourself and your mind. You can't think. "You" in a very real way cease to exist. You are annihilated.

Everything becomes completely uncontrollable on a very deep level. You can't think or remember or control anything in your mind at all. Ontop of that, everything dissolves into everything else. The boundaries between self and other, internal and external, reality and fantasy all collapse. If you have any control over yourself or your body at all, if you can even conceive of words voluntarily, then you're not experiencing egodeath. Egodeath involves the complete destruction of conscious control over the mind and body.

The fear of course happens in the runup to egodeath, and during egodeath.


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Re: Wanting Psychosis? [Re: nooneman]
    #21966012 - 07/19/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah man. It is not something to be taken lightly at all. I had no control whatsoever-wether it be over my body, my actions, my mind, ANYTHING. I didn't know a god damn thing. I was acting on pure fight or flight instincts at the time. When I came to it again there was blood all over my front door, on some of the walls inside, & on my hands & knuckles. I also had deep cuts on my knuckles & a broken pinky knuckle. This was from hitting the door over & over again at one point & I think at some other point I also smashed a glass in the sink. Afterwards I was utterly humiliated & it was so devastating to me that I could actually act out in such a manner. I wouldn't wish this overwhelming fear & absolute agony on ANYONE.


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