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Re: Do chemical fertilizers herbicides or pesticides pose an issue [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #21963258 - 07/19/15 01:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The glyphosate point is moot in regards to the grass...
It was created to allow for mono-culture, as in no need for weeding...
Not something that would get put on a soccer field..

As Alan stated anything given to a "grass" area is mostly salts.  Changing the pH of the soil even a little will weed out many other grasses, allowing the one they intend to grow...  no real need for much "herbicides" and there is no reason to give grass a pesticide...  I've never heard of a devastating "grass" beetle.  Grubs maybe, but that's larvae and usually easy to rid. Don't require mass pesticiding... maybe just once a year... no room for much accumulation.

without any drastic environmental source point of pollution around, that grass is probably one of the safer mush environments IMHO.


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Re: Do chemical fertilizers herbicides or pesticides pose an issue [Re: confuzzed]
    #21963279 - 07/19/15 01:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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As Alan stated anything given to a "grass" area is mostly salts.





What about people who pick from wood chipped landscape areas that are sprayed with Glyphosate.



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no real need for much "herbicides" and there is no reason to give grass a pesticide...





Sports fields and other recreational grass areas are often sprayed with Broad leafed Herbicides to stop broad leafed weeds from growing. Also fungicides are applied in cooler months to control rusts and other fungi that attacks grass. Imidacloprid is also applied to grass fields to control insects, like the grub larvae, this is a systemic insecticide that is not safe to use on food crops.


My experience is 10+ years working in the Horticultural sector in 2 different countries. Recreational grass fields and golf courses are probably the most toxic places to pick from in my opinion. They are highly managed with herbicide and pesticide regimes in force year round.


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    #21963308 - 07/19/15 01:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Do chemical fertilizers herbicides or pesticides pose an issue [Re: stevo]
    #21963917 - 07/19/15 09:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Do chemical fertilizers herbicides or pesticides pose an issue [Re: karode13]
    #21964228 - 07/19/15 10:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Sports fields and other recreational grass areas are often sprayed with Broad leafed Herbicides to stop broad leafed weeds from growing. Also fungicides are applied in cooler months to control rusts and other fungi that attacks grass. Imidacloprid is also applied to grass fields to control insects, like the grub larvae, this is a systemic insecticide that is not safe to use on food crops.


My experience is 10+ years working in the Horticultural sector in 2 different countries. Recreational grass fields and golf courses are probably the most toxic places to pick from in my opinion. They are highly managed with herbicide and pesticide regimes in force year round.




That's crazy man.  I have played soccer most of my life.  I have also maintained fields for recreational leagues as well as helped maintain my college soccer field. (not for free of course :rolleyes:)

We never put anything of the sort on our fields.  I did not know people did this.  I have seen this done on golf courses, but not on a soccer field.

We only ever insecticide if grubs appeared.  Same thing had a built-in fungicide, but we may have done this once every year or two...

News to me.
Thanks for the information.


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Re: Do chemical fertilizers herbicides or pesticides pose an issue [Re: confuzzed]
    #21968261 - 07/20/15 12:06 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah I have the feeling he is a pretty smart guy but he might have some bat shit crazy friends as it seems he has spent a lot of time studying hallucinogenic mushrooms.


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Re: Do chemical fertilizers herbicides or pesticides pose an issue [Re: germish]
    #21968289 - 07/20/15 12:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I did see their aerator machine and it has hoppers for some granules. There is a big playground right in the center and I've never seen them spray anything. Just because I haven't seen them spraying doesn't mean they don't but I'm guessing it's some dry herbicide/fertilizer. The fields are not weed free by far but dandelions are none existent on the playing field.


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Re: Do chemical fertilizers herbicides or pesticides pose an issue [Re: germish]
    #21968309 - 07/20/15 12:24 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Or should I say dry plant killing stuff in granulated form? Perhaps herbicide is too narrow of a definition.


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Re: Do chemical fertilizers herbicides or pesticides pose an issue [Re: confuzzed]
    #21968710 - 07/20/15 01:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)


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That's crazy man.  I have played soccer most of my life.  I have also maintained fields for recreational leagues as well as helped maintain my college soccer field. (not for free of course :rolleyes:)

We never put anything of the sort on our fields.  I did not know people did this.  I have seen this done on golf courses, but not on a soccer field.

We only ever insecticide if grubs appeared.  Same thing had a built-in fungicide, but we may have done this once every year or two...

News to me.
Thanks for the information.






Not all sports fields are heavily managed, and some are only managed once a problem comes up. Often times they aren't at all. The higher end fields and Golf courses will be heavily managed and product applied on a regular basis. Those sorts of places don't look like that without lots of Agri chemicals and diligence from the workers. If it's just an empty grass lot down the street then chances of it having products applied are slim to none.


I only popped in here to give people some food for thought. I didn't like the responses people were giving.


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Re: Do chemical fertilizers herbicides or pesticides pose an issue [Re: karode13]
    #21982642 - 07/22/15 11:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Oh on further inspection the hoppers get filled with sand which is dumped while they aerate the fields. Is pretty cool ass little implement I think.


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Re: Do chemical fertilizers herbicides or pesticides pose an issue [Re: germish]
    #21982748 - 07/23/15 12:24 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i guess the way to clear this up is to make an outside control patch and another patch that you pile on the herbicides, then send both fruits to the mass spec and gas chromatography and see what pops out.

anyone want to start the crowdsourcing to raise funds? :grin:

nice to see this is still alive after a few days vacation lol

i'd still put money on 'no difference' within standard deviation, and of course if they put on fungicides, well you're not going to be finding anything anyway, right?


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Re: Do chemical fertilizers herbicides or pesticides pose an issue [Re: RuralAnomaly]
    #21983312 - 07/23/15 06:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It is my personal thinking, but I do not eat any mushroom raw.  My reading says that even plain ediddybles need to be cooked to get the nutritional value.  And since I, and most people, suffer from Vitamin D deficiency, mushrooms are a part of my diet.

In the case of actives, I dry everything and reconstitute in a hot tea.  I doubt that there is much good in the water content that has come from being sucked up by the ground.  I suppose home-grown might be OK, since the actual growing media and water are controlled.  But drying might have effects on the actual active components.  But still, by personal taste, I would rather consume after drying.  No way I am picking a mushroom off an animal turd and putting it in my mouth.

A possible investigation route might be to read up on the organic store mushrooms and claims they make as far as pesticides in 'regular' store-bought mushrooms.  Its a big industry that is self-sourced, and they may have some data.  Otherwise, a 'cheap' test is to just get a bunch of Pan Foes (not hard to source), squeeze the water out of them, and send that water to be analyzed.

I sort of suspect, and these discussions seem to have a bit of speculation, that 'lawn' mushrooms might actually do better in a treated environment.  That is, they are benefiting by the elimination of other competitors.  They like us and want to be near us.  They love our chemistry and want to share theirs.  I think in the future, they will develop little mouths and primitive vocal chords, they will scream out from the lawns..."STOP CHOPPING MY CAPS OFF WITH THAT LAWNMOWER!!!"...

Anyway, time for a walk.


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Re: Do chemical fertilizers herbicides or pesticides pose an issue [Re: RuralAnomaly]
    #21983618 - 07/23/15 08:38 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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i'd still put money on 'no difference' within standard deviation, and of course if they put on fungicides, well you're not going to be finding anything anyway, right?




Depends on the fungicide.  Commercial mushroom growers spray fungicide on the mushrooms to target predatory fungus.

An interesting read...

https://austorganic.wordpress.com/2013/12/10/the-business-of-organic-mushrooms/


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Re: Do chemical fertilizers herbicides or pesticides pose an issue [Re: Gilzman]
    #21983838 - 07/23/15 09:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

again, this is specialized and targeted and in a non-wild environment, and apparently the edibles don't absorb significant amounts or it wouldn't be allowed even for non-organics.

very interesting article though, thanks for the link.

the municipalities around here seem to have issues paying for salt and keeping the roads cleared and paved, so i'm not so much worried they're spending money applying anything on local fields they're just mowing to keep weeds down and things looking tidy.

i think this just boils down to common sense and not seeing boogiemen when there are none.
i don't go to state parks that are 'reclaimed mining land' because generally i follow creeks, and who knows what shit is leaching out of those and there are more places to go than time to go to them.

and since i'm not eating gobs of them, if i find something 'interesting' on a golf course, its coming home.


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Re: Do chemical fertilizers herbicides or pesticides pose an issue [Re: RuralAnomaly]
    #21987889 - 07/24/15 12:00 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Gobs. Nice, I wish I had a gob of them it might be 2.5 grams and I always dry them and almost always tea off anymore. My stomach is an asshole.
I agree! I should eat them anyhow! I like to eat what I find much better than to find what I eat. But it's harder to find what I eat than to eat it. Hmmm perhaps if I say I would rather find them than to ever eat cubes again I'll go with being dry until I find more. I found a cyan patch last year that keeps me straight for at least the whole year so I'm not worried about getting off. But they all hit me a bit differently as well plus it's one more species in my area checked off the list. Now I just need a scope so I can learn how to properly ID stuff that way.


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Re: Do chemical fertilizers herbicides or pesticides pose an issue [Re: germish]
    #21997547 - 07/25/15 10:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

What i would say is that without observing the study yourself theres no way of knowing if what you've heard is right or wrong. There are arguments on both sides, and studies from both sides. Monsanto have been caught on multiple occasions, they were convicted of lying about Glyphosate. Many scientists who have reviewed their research have declared it tobacco science. There are studies saying it's carcinogenic and studies saying it isn't. When Monsanto is involved it's a bad idea IMO and definitely worth avoiding. It's just common sense really. And science is full of propaganda these days.


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