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Obama looks enlightened to me
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I was watching the TV for the first time in ages today, and Obama came on about the deal with Iran, and I looked into his eyes and immediately recognised the Self, the sort of faint non-linear trajectory, the glaze of enlightenment. It was kind of wonderful, to know pretty much (still) the world's most prominent and important leader is in touch with the Reality. I mean I'm not saying he's a saint, he is just another of the intelligentsia in the West that know we are all one.
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Re: Obama looks enlightened to me [Re: circastes] 1
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I don't know, man...
His administration has slaughtered countless innocents on account of their redefinition of the term "militant" (it now is "any military aged male in a strike zone"
that's not something any enlightened person would allow, imo
redefining terms like that to erode the boundaries of what the ruled find acceptable is as close to evil as you can get
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Re: Obama looks enlightened to me [Re: circastes]
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circastes said: I was watching the TV for the first time in ages today, and Obama came on about the deal with Iran, and I looked into his eyes and immediately recognised the Self, the sort of faint non-linear trajectory, the glaze of enlightenment. It was kind of wonderful, to know pretty much (still) the world's most prominent and important leader is in touch with the Reality. I mean I'm not saying he's a saint, he is just another of the intelligentsia in the West that know we are all one.
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Re: Obama looks enlightened to me [Re: circastes]
#21946975 - 07/15/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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yeah makes very good points, and I would like to add that if one pays a little attention, one begins to appreciate how much of an ego-maniac Obama really is. The guy is extremely self-righteous and arrogant. I don't think that fits too well into any ideas I've ever heard of pertaining to enlightenment. I think yeah's points damn him quite a bit farther than that. Perhaps there just isn't enough exposure in Australia for you to have known all this.
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Obama enlightened... really? Ever hear of Ram Dass... not full on, but he's definitely got something special.
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Re: Obama looks enlightened to me [Re: circastes] 1
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I am an Obama fan. I voted for im twice. In fact, he flirted with my wife from his SUV when he was campaigning the first time. A woman stopped her vehicle, jumped out, and upbraided her for flirting with HIM! "He's a happily married man" the woman exclaimed. Rose was thrilled just to have seen him up close after the event. That's my Obama story. But he is first and foremost, Commander-- in Chief of our armed forces. He sits in the #1 seat of American power and commands the world's most powerful military, with all the responsibility that entails. He is a brilliant man, a scholar of Constitutional Law, a Harvard graduate, a former head of the Harvard Law Review and as close to a philosopher-king a la Plato's Republic that we can get. But I think that it is a projection to assume that he is Enlightened in a sense other than those thinkers who belong to the historical Enlightenment or Age of Reason which produced the likes of Sir Isaac Newton, Voltaire, Diderot, Kierkegaard, Thomas Jefferson (and the other Founding Fathers of the USA). Obama is an intellectually enlightened political philosopher and American President. He is much closer to JFK than the Democrat Clinton (who was a Rhodes scholar and also brilliant) was. Clinton was pragmatic but not a visionary leader. I doubt the likes of a President of equal or greater caliber as Obama will be seen by me again in my lifetime.
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After hearing the podcast interview with Marc Maron I have a new found respect for Obama. I think he is a pragmatist - I think you need to be to have his job. Most people don't understand how little power the President has. He's getting tugged from so many directions. Middle management. I think he could have done better with the War on Drugs, whistblowers, drones, etc... but who knows who has a gun to his head.
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Re: Obama looks enlightened to me [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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Yes the president does has little of power, but he also has been approving all sort of bills that helps the corporations without informing the public beforehand. I didn't like the idea when he was campaigning for presidential office; that he was trying to portray himself as Lincoln even down to swearing in office with the same Bible that Lincoln has been sworn into office with. But one thing is that Lincoln had never went back on his word; when he set out to do something, he head in that direction until he has accomplished his promise as the way Jesus has done. But Obama has broken the promise of the people, but kept the promise for the corporate giants and which Lincoln will not do, even if his life is on the line.
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Re: Obama looks enlightened to me [Re: circastes] 1
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You're high as shit. He's the spokespuppet for a gang of killers thieves and liars. Do you know what it takes to rise out of the primordial soup of Chicago politics? Nothing that represents me, that's for damn sure.
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Re: Obama looks enlightened to me [Re: dee_N_ae]
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dee_N_ae said: You're high as shit. He's the spokespuppet for a gang of killers thieves and liars. Do you know what it takes to rise out of the primordial soup of Chicago politics? Nothing that represents me, that's for damn sure.
Most accurate post in the thread yet. Believe it, it's true. One doesn't get to be in his position (as dNa said, especially coming out of Chicago!) without making a lot of compromises, primarily that of whatever integrity you may have started out with. Just look into arms trading. That should get you started. :/
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Re: Obama looks enlightened to me [Re: circastes]
#21970068 - 07/20/15 10:09 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Not sure how you're defining enlightenment, circastes. I suppose he is enlightened when it comes to the art of lying and manipulating on a massive scale.
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#21970194 - 07/20/15 10:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Circastes i can see the Self in the eyes of a cartoon character or any being alive, it doesn't mean they're enlightened 
In my opinion it says more about your view than his
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Re: Obama looks enlightened to me [Re: Chronic7]
#21971606 - 07/20/15 04:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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The Chronic said: Circastes i can see the Self in the eyes of a cartoon character or any being alive, it doesn't mean they're enlightened 
In my opinion it says more about your view than his
+1
also, that look you describe circastes, may probably be something they teach in NLP or hypnosis.
So, he may have some higher circuits activated or something, which would make sense considering the position of power he is in.
non-linear perception however, is not enlightenment..probably just the beginning.
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Re: Obama looks enlightened to me [Re: hTx]
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Good point, hTx. How are you doing?
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Re: Obama looks enlightened to me [Re: circastes]
#21972017 - 07/20/15 06:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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The guy has sent drones to assassinate American citizens without due process, bombed wedding parties and then bombed the paramedics as they tried to come in to save people (a tactic the military euphemistically refers to as "double taps"), trained and armed militants in Syria that then turned on us and became ISIS, continued the policy of corporate bailouts, and is now about to sell the working class down the river once again with the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade agreement. I voted for Obama in 2008, and in that time he has taught me a most valuable lesson: No politician is to be trusted. But even more enlightening for me has been the realization that it's not really the politicians themselves. A politician may have the best of intentions, but they have a vital role to play in a socioeconomic system that demands exploitation, war, and plunder. They must act within the parameters of that system, whose very logic demands continuous expansion. If they act against that system, that system has ways of containing them and minimizing their impact. We cannot vote our way out of this destructive system. We have to build something entirely new.
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Re: Obama looks enlightened to me [Re: Silversoul]
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how you been circ?
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Good actually. I enjoy life a lot more now. Still fatigued a little (I had a TBI I don't know if you've been following), but the schizophrenia is nowhere to be found. Really cashing in on this expanded perception I think mushrooms gave me. I go for long drives and just appreciate the sheer beauty of life. Once my brain totally heals and I get my full emotional spectrum back I think I'll be rockin' day in day out. I feel like I've set my life up by 'cleansing the doors of perception' or whatever, or achieving some kind of higher level of consciousness, as if reality had levels. I think its in higher levels of consciousness that the good life is to be found.
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some days are better than others, thanks for asking.
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Re: Obama looks enlightened to me [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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c0sm0nautt said: After hearing the podcast interview with Marc Maron I have a new found respect for Obama. I think he is a pragmatist - I think you need to be to have his job. Most people don't understand how little power the President has. He's getting tugged from so many directions. Middle management. I think he could have done better with the War on Drugs, whistblowers, drones, etc... but who knows who has a gun to his head.
He has proven to be a great statesman IMO, the likes of which I haven't seen since JFK. I liked Bill Clinton at the time, but too much bullshit has surfaced about him politically. Clinton was a brilliant politician, but he was not a visionary. Obamacare helps us in our life, and I think this will go down historically on a par with Medicare and Social Security in terms of benefits for average Americans. The POTUS is, first and foremost Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces. There has been war, but NOT for the same utterly corrupt reasons as war under the Bush administration. Obama is NOT a warmonger and obviously not a Republican with oligarchical or theocratic ideas.
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c0sm0nautt said: After hearing the podcast interview with Marc Maron I have a new found respect for Obama. I think he is a pragmatist - I think you need to be to have his job. Most people don't understand how little power the President has. He's getting tugged from so many directions. Middle management. I think he could have done better with the War on Drugs, whistblowers, drones, etc... but who knows who has a gun to his head.
He has proven to be a great statesman IMO, the likes of which I haven't seen since JFK. I liked Bill Clinton at the time, but too much bullshit has surfaced about him politically. Clinton was a brilliant politician, but he was not a visionary. Obamacare helps us in our life, and I think this will go down historically on a par with Medicare and Social Security in terms of benefits for average Americans. The POTUS is, first and foremost Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces. There has been war, but NOT for the same utterly corrupt reasons as war under the Bush administration. Obama is NOT a warmonger and obviously not a Republican with oligarchical or theocratic ideas.
+1 Agreed, really.. if you think Obama is so bad you haven't been around/haven't heard much about the 70s or 80s with Nixon who started the "War on Drugs", and then the fucking Reagan Administration, those were truly corrupt people and it's funny to me how some people can idolize them. As far as politicians in America go, Obama was the best choice on the left wing in the last two elections, to answer your question though OP, I don't think Obama is enlightened. (at least in the definition that I'm thinking of for enlightened)
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Re: Obama looks enlightened to me [Re: trippinlol] 2
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The presidents we've had, as dissimilar as they seem from each other, are in fact much more similar in a deeper sense than they are different. Regarding Obama, look up arms trading, drone warfare, and derivatives markets if you want to know how things really are where the rubber hits the road. On the surface, Obama seems more progressive, but ultimately he's a centrist and his platform is not revolutionary in the least. Things are much worse than you think. Look at Wall Street. They're the ones running Washington, not the other way around. They can do whatever they want, and they do it. There is no one policing the major investment outfits. Obama is mostly ineffective -- look at Obamacare, it's not a solution at all (it's the unaffordable care act) and look at all the spinoff problems it's created. No more full-time work for most young workers, fewer benefits for those who do have full-time work, fewer jobs in general, and premiums that most young people can't afford.
I could really go on all day -- in reality Obama is not a solution, and I fear he's turning out to be a much more mediocre president than we all had hoped for in 2008. His biggest accomplishments have been Supreme Court decisions, for Heaven's sake. Don't give him credit, he is in reality not a very good man, and an ineffective president in a fundamental sense.
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This isn't the forum to have political discussions we're just answering the OP, I was about to say something about your post but I don't want to start anything sorry. I've heard your same argument from right wingers and there's no point in arguing about it no one will ever see eye-to-eye on these things with basically opposing viewpoints, if you just met someone this is why you shouldn't discuss politics or religion you can get into heated arguments over stupid things and I would rather not thanks.
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Re: Obama looks enlightened to me [Re: trippinlol]
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I am merely trying to counter the ideas presented supporting his enlightenment, or approximation of it, and illustrate how he could not possibly be enlightened. If it veered too far into the political, then I apologize to anyone who feels that way. I don't want to get into a political debate, either -- here or anywhere else.
And, for the record, I am neither a Republican nor conservative. As I said I see Obama as a centrist, which means he is much less liberal than a lot of people think.
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Oh I see, well I've seen right wingers say the same lines to me like you said about the arms trading, ObamaCare, international trade agreements etc. and you said you could go on and on so it sounded like you were going to argue. OK he isn't perfect (or enlightened) but he's not what I'd call a bad president, I could also go on and on how I don't agree with a lot of things other presidents have done in the past.
I just don't think it's as bad as people make it out to be, he has done quite a bit for the country, and the unemployment rate in the country dropped since he's been in office. I don't know where you get your facts, but there's plenty of links to show what he's done in office
Again I'm just giving my view I'm not turning this into a debate. Here's one http://pleasecutthecrap.com/obama-accomplishments/
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Re: Obama looks enlightened to me [Re: trippinlol]
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Well, I use Obamacare, and brother, it ain't cheap (and doesn't even cover some of the things I need).
That said, we just disagree. So what. I'm going to stop before this gets even more OT.
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"Obama looks enlightened to me"
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Aren't you the same person who was trying to convince another user that tripping was bad and he should 'stay in school and get a corporate job'?
Are you a troll?
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Re: Obama looks enlightened to me [Re: El Torcho]
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If anyone thinks John McCain would have done better then you are absolutely brain dead. Obama is doing the best he can within the parameters of his job and the people whos heavily influencing him. I wish obama could serve another 8 years because god help us of jeb bush wins the election.
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Re: Obama looks enlightened to me [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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Obama runs guns to the cartels, 'terrorists', and foreign governments. His justice administration hasn't prosecuted anyone caught red handed in international banking for destroying the world economy. He has prosecuted more whistle-blowers than all other presidents combined. Many of his cabinet members are hold-overs from GWB. His policies are in most cases worse than GWB. He is the least transparent president. Most every 'promise' he made during the campaign has been proven to be a bold faced lie. All his cabinet members are involved in revolving door from private to government back to private industries for which they are supposed to 'oversee and regulate'. He continually race-bates to distract imbeciles from anything of real importance. Saying he would be 'better' than someone else is painfully ignorant. He's no better than McCain, Bush, Romney, Clinton, Gore, Kerry or anyone else in recent history. He's exactly as bad as any other major party candidate would have been or has been.
Same shit, different shovel.
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Re: Obama looks enlightened to me [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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Bill_Oreilly said: If anyone thinks John McCain would have done better then you are absolutely brain dead. Obama is doing the best he can within the parameters of his job and the people whos heavily influencing him. I wish obama could serve another 8 years because god help us of jeb bush wins the election.
I would have to agree. I think he did the best that he could, considering the weakened position of the executive office. He has at times offered up transparent, almost philosophical criticism of what are commonly viewed as "his" policies (such as the the use of military drones), as though to indirectly communicate that there are many aspects of government today that are beyond the push-button control of the POTUS. If his recent criticism of the U.S. justice system is any indication, I believe he might also blossom as a social activist.
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