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Re: Flakka: Hallucinogenic Designer Drug Already Sold In Several States; FBI Warns Street Drug Is Strong [Re: XTCentral]
    #21948169 - 07/15/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think its funny how all these new drugs that can't be tested for in a standar 5 panel test, are being thrown into any article with enough buzzwords.

Guy eats face.... Lets throw bath salt in there to make it interesting. How do we know he was on it? How do we know he wasn't on it? How do we know everyone isn't on it? Next day, MAN ON BATH SALTS EATS ANOTHER MANS FACE!(listen to flatbush zombies hit, face off for full details)

Naked, tree, sex.... lets throw that new drug in there whats it called? Idk. Well make up a name! Whats hot and happening right now? You intern, what are you bumping your head to? Man thats wakka flakka. YES, we call it flakka. Naked woman has sex with tree while high on flakka.(evidence still needed)


That's literally what has to happen in these press offices.


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Re: Flakka: Hallucinogenic Designer Drug Already Sold In Several States; FBI Warns Street Drug Is Strong [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #21948254 - 07/15/15 04:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Flakka: Hallucinogenic Designer Drug Already Sold In Several States; FBI Warns Street Drug Is Strong [Re: rxb]
    #21948470 - 07/15/15 05:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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rxb said:
why do people keep posting about flakka?




Seriously, waaay too many threads on flakka, we get it! That shit will make you fuck trees, eat faces, and get full blown psychosis in one puff.. Just stick to meth kids..


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Re: Flakka: Hallucinogenic Designer Drug Already Sold In Several States; FBI Warns Street Drug Is Strong [Re: Nun]
    #21949598 - 07/15/15 10:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Nun said:
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Coincidentiaoppositorum said:
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Now, what about psychedelics? They are not addictive, they are not big money makers, so why ban them? ...

-E. Borodin



Simple.
They can be abused, used to make people vulnerable.
If someone was handing out LSD to kids queuing for concerts/nightclubs it would be seriously questionable.

You could criminalise the "abuse of the drug on a third party" but that's harder to prove and you're waiting until it's too late.

Essentially there are too many scumbags around to legalise psychedelics.




I probably have to agree with this...

The real politics they should spend time on is NEVER to jail people for victimless crimes

Never jail people for psychedelics unless they sold huge amounts, and never for long

Jail for life is insanity, they jail people for life for weed/psychedelics


I don't think they should be legal, I don't care about that, I don't think people would be able to respect them
Only a very open mind can respect these tools, how many open minds are there on earth?

Not even psychologists/psychiatrists may be responsible with these...
They may use them for fun before/after class , like anyone who is 25 of age or so


I'm not sure I would see anyone taking these, I like it somewhat the way it is now
Only some people take it, everybody knows everybody basically
People don't go spiking others because of this usually... , spiking drinks etc.

Fewer morons around than if they were 100% legal , with illegality comes extra responsibility often/extra thought about what you're doing

People carefully test their drugs, read up on them, take set,setting,dose carefully etc.

I like it the way it is now... I'm not sure what could happen if we legalized psychedelics,mdma etc.


Sure it may work, but it will cause fatalities too, should we just accept them?

It's society's duty to take care of irresponsible souls so they don't harm themselves/others


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Re: Flakka: Hallucinogenic Designer Drug Already Sold In Several States; FBI Warns Street Drug Is Strong [Re: lessismore]
    #21950603 - 07/16/15 06:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thats an interesting perspective 'Lessismore'


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Re: Flakka: Hallucinogenic Designer Drug Already Sold In Several States; FBI Warns Street Drug Is Strong [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21950865 - 07/16/15 08:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Rebelutionsssss said:
:congrats: I love each an every one of your posts my man. And you're right on all counts with that post. The drug policy is fucked up in this country





Thank you, I appreciate it very much.

I always wanted to be a writer, so just knowing that people are actually reading some of the things I write make a big difference to me.

Thanks again,

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Re: Flakka: Hallucinogenic Designer Drug Already Sold In Several States; FBI Warns Street Drug Is Strong [Re: lessismore] * 1
    #21951331 - 07/16/15 10:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I am not sure psychedelics are not addictive, how do you know?

Because science has not (with its very limited research) proven them addictive psychologically?

I've seen 100s of addicted people to psychedelics, weed, pharma pills

People get addicted to just about anything


I still believe they should be free




You say "they should be free" when psychedelic users are free. They are not bound to their psychedelic tools in any way, and at any time they may put down the tools and walk.away without consequence. The human body can not see distant planets with the naked eye so we built telescopes, just as the human body can not access these psychedelic states on its own so we use entheogens provided by our plant symbiote allies. There's no shame in using tools, in fact that's what a good deal of human intelligence is attributed to, our ability to use tools.

In your view we are addicted to these tools, but I don't feel we are any more addicted to entheogens than a carpenter is addicted to his wood-working tools, or than an astronaut is addicted to his space-craft, they are necessary means of this type of exploration. I'm actually glad that you must ingest the entheogen for these states to occur, it bonds humans with nature and our plant helpers/teachers, plus is gives grounding to the experience, psychologically a person would break if these states occured on their own

Psychedelics are not addictive. There is massive amounts of research confirming this. IM not going to list specific studies, because there are tons (Google "psychedelics cure addiction"
if you don't believe me) but if you are currant with MAPS or the heffter research institute or even the work of any big names in the field you should find ample amounts of evidence confirming that not only are the classic psychedelics not addictive, but they may in fact help treat the problem.

You say you have seen people addicted to weed and pharmaceutical pills, neither of which are classic psychedelics...(DMT,LSD,Psilocybin/psilocin, mescaline, harmine, etc.. are classics) though i do sometimes include marijuana as a classic, it's different in the sense that nature designated this compound for safe and effective daily medical use which can be stopped at any time without serious consequence. You can not become physically dependant to marijuana....but that's another topic all together.


Psychedelics can not cause physical dependence, the do not cause compulsive re-dosing, and they do not induce unexamined destructive compulsive behaviors.

In all actuality psychedelics break habits, they do not form them.

Due to rapid tolerance you must put 3-7 days between your psychedelic experiences anyway, thus making abuse exceedingly difficult.

There are people who can become psychologically dependant on anything, though in all actuality the classic psychedelics are very rarely seen abused even in this manor.

There's a very big difference between use and abuse, abusus non tollit usum, it means "Abuse does not preclude proper use"


The fact that a person uses psychedelics multiple times throughout there life does not indicate dependence or abuse.

I have had similar conversations with you on this matter on gotten no where, so I'm going cut this one short, and though we may have to agree to disagree I still feel you are grossly misinformed on the issue....

-E. Borodin


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Re: Flakka: Hallucinogenic Designer Drug Already Sold In Several States; FBI Warns Street Drug Is Strong [Re: azur] * 1
    #21951411 - 07/16/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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azur said:
There was an article a few months back where some guy in Florida was on flakka and was trying to fuck a tree



There was an article a couple months back about a guy who was on LSD who attacked a car with a katana and tried to have sex with a tree. "journalists" aren't even pretending to bother to make it seem like everything they write isn't made up, fuck them, fuck all the sheep who read their dumb shit fuck fox news and all news and america.

This article is retarded, someone deserves to get shot over this stupidity I cant decide who but... someone.


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Re: Flakka: Hallucinogenic Designer Drug Already Sold In Several States; FBI Warns Street Drug Is Strong [Re: Nun]
    #21951477 - 07/16/15 11:04 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Nun said:
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Coincidentiaoppositorum said:
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Now, what about psychedelics? They are not addictive, they are not big money makers, so why ban them? ...

-E. Borodin



Simple.
They can be abused, used to make people vulnerable.
If someone was handing out LSD to kids queuing for concerts/nightclubs it would be seriously questionable.

You could criminalise the "abuse of the drug on a third party" but that's harder to prove and you're waiting until it's too late.

Essentially there are too many scumbags around to legalise psychedelics.




abusus non tollit usum


Abuse of the compounds is another issue we are going to have to accept and deal with,we can keep fighting these things and getting no where, or we can accept the facts of the matter and deal.with them in an intelligent and rational way.

....though in all actuality the only people to use psychedelics as chemical weapons was the CIA and the government who supposedly is trying to "protect" us from these things...the government caused victims, where the counter-culture really didn't hurt anybody, even in Ken kesey's acid test model negative incidents were minimal....even when abbie Hoffman was talking about"lace vs mace" the yippies had the moral conscience not to employ the tactic.

An abuse like the one you described above is actually more likely to happen when a compound is contraband, when compounds are illegal it motivates shifty hustlers to push them on people irresponsibly, where as if they were legal people wouldn't take drugs from people off the street, they would only take drugs from their trusted legal source.

The fact is that, yes, incidents are going to occur, and will have to be dealt with individually. We know this is going to happen just as we know that a percentage of people will.always want to use drugs an even smaller precent will want to Abuse them , we are going to.have to accept this and deal with it the best we can.

The potential Abuse of something should not preclude its proper use.

There are a large number of illegal drug users in society right now and society doesn't collapse, if all drugs were legalized tomorrow all the same people would still be using, it wouldn't be the end of the world, the only difference would involve the way we treat drug users and the methods by which they obtain their compounds.

It's human nature, and in my opinion, a basic human right to alter you own conscious state. By fighting human nature we are only exacerbating the issue.

If you have ever wondered why billions are spent on the drug war yet cocaine and heroin are available on every street corner the links below may be the tip of the ice-berg in explanation....These institutions have interest in these drugs being contraband (well at least the addictive and money making ones)
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_drug_trafficking

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_involvement_in_Contra_cocaine_trafficking

The links above are only two small examples of the government agencies that are keeping these drugs illegal are not doing so for our protection, but for their exploitation of these compounds and their ability to generate large sums of untraceable cash. If these compounds were legal they would loose most their value over-night, and the population of users would shrink back down to that percentage of people who would be using any way.

Prohibition gives way for abuse, during alcohol prohibition the popular drinks were hard alcohol, after prohibition beer became the drink of choice...it's sounds counter-intuitive, but legalization and regulation causes the numbers of users to drop, and the people who.are using begin to use in a more responsible manor.

Psychedelic mushrooms are sold in shops in Amsterdam, and yet you don't hear stories of "scum bags abusing them", you don't hear much at all, which is good, it means the community respectfully and responsibly uses their compounds without incident.

We can either keep fighting nature, and keep pretending we can make this issue go away, or we can handle it like educated and responsible adults and actually deal with the issue in a rational way. We must expect certain abuses, but I think people will find these things are a rare exception and not the rule, and if your use of any compound is hurting or bothering anybody you should be dealt with as an individual, you should be blamed not the compound...


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Re: Flakka: Hallucinogenic Designer Drug Already Sold In Several States; FBI Warns Street Drug Is Strong [Re: lessismore]
    #21951506 - 07/16/15 11:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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lessismore said:
Quote:

Nun said:
Quote:

Coincidentiaoppositorum said:
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Now, what about psychedelics? They are not addictive, they are not big money makers, so why ban them? ...

-E. Borodin



Simple.
They can be abused, used to make people vulnerable.
If someone was handing out LSD to kids queuing for concerts/nightclubs it would be seriously questionable.

You could criminalise the "abuse of the drug on a third party" but that's harder to prove and you're waiting until it's too late.

Essentially there are too many scumbags around to legalise psychedelics.




I probably have to agree with this...

The real politics they should spend time on is NEVER to jail people for victimless crimes

Never jail people for psychedelics unless they sold huge amounts, and never for long

Jail for life is insanity, they jail people for life for weed/psychedelics


I don't think they should be legal, I don't care about that, I don't think people would be able to respect them
Only a very open mind can respect these tools, how many open minds are there on earth?

Not even psychologists/psychiatrists may be responsible with these...
They may use them for fun before/after class , like anyone who is 25 of age or so


I'm not sure I would see anyone taking these, I like it somewhat the way it is now
Only some people take it, everybody knows everybody basically
People don't go spiking others because of this usually... , spiking drinks etc.

Fewer morons around than if they were 100% legal , with illegality comes extra responsibility often/extra thought about what you're doing

People carefully test their drugs, read up on them, take set,setting,dose carefully etc.

I like it the way it is now... I'm not sure what could happen if we legalized psychedelics,mdma etc.


Sure it may work, but it will cause fatalities too, should we just accept them?

It's society's duty to take care of irresponsible souls so they don't harm themselves/others




The government isn't my mommy and daddy setting rules to keep me safe because they care about my well being
.
Its very troubling that so many people will so easily accept that the government "needs" make things like drugs legal or illegal (for society's own good) like we are fucking children. We are grown ass adults who can decide to cut our own dicks off if we want to. Fuck the government they have no say in what people do to themselves. Dealers don't cause harm that is fucking retarded. stop getting ethics and morals and how we should live mixed up with what the laws should be, this is fucking AMERICA no one even remembers the point of this country, its pathetic.


"keep them illegal so people RESPECT psychedelics"
"I don't care if they're legal"
"I like it when psychedelics are done this way"

In the USA, its definitely NOT society's duty to "take care of irresponsible souls so they don't harm themselves/others" In nature it isn't either, we just don't include their genes in future generations so we dont have to deal with their dumb asses.



Edited by OrgasmicBanana (07/16/15 11:17 AM)


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Re: Flakka: Hallucinogenic Designer Drug Already Sold In Several States; FBI Warns Street Drug Is Strong [Re: OrgasmicBanana]
    #21953663 - 07/16/15 08:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I can't remember the last article on a drug in the popular media got me upset.  I expect it, in fact it's exceedingly rare to see an article which sticks to science and explains drugs in terms of the pharmacological activity and reveals effects both negative and positive.

So to the angry folks, this is how drugs are sensationalized in our culture.  It's the way it is and it won't change in our life times:shrug:

Remember news is not news, it's infotainment and should be regarded as such.

Rant completed.


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Re: Flakka: Hallucinogenic Designer Drug Already Sold In Several States; FBI Warns Street Drug Is Strong [Re: OrgasmicBanana]
    #21954122 - 07/16/15 10:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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OrgasmicBanana said:
Quote:

azur said:
There was an article a few months back where some guy in Florida was on flakka and was trying to fuck a tree



There was an article a couple months back about a guy who was on LSD who attacked a car with a katana and tried to have sex with a tree. "journalists" aren't even pretending to bother to make it seem like everything they write isn't made up, fuck them, fuck all the sheep who read their dumb shit fuck fox news and all news and america.

This article is retarded, someone deserves to get shot over this stupidity I cant decide who but... someone.



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Re: Flakka: Hallucinogenic Designer Drug Already Sold In Several States; FBI Warns Street Drug Is Strong [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #21954190 - 07/16/15 10:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Cognitive_Shift said:
Remember news is not news, it's infotainment and should be regarded as such.





That's about the crux of the matter right there IMO. Think click-bait - designed to draw in as many as possible - and you're on about the right track.


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Re: Flakka: Hallucinogenic Designer Drug Already Sold In Several States; FBI Warns Street Drug Is Strong [Re: motaman]
    #21954730 - 07/17/15 03:26 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i hate these articles. all they do is get people scared about things they've got no idea about creating a boogy man that helps to perpetuate the drug war because... DRUGS ARE BAD!


So lame. i want to know what molecule is in whatever the fuck "flakka" is, i'm guessing some kind of synthetic cathinone? perhaps i missed something while reading this.


i can't... there's just too much misinformation in this article it's like it was done on purpose.


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Re: Flakka: Hallucinogenic Designer Drug Already Sold In Several States; FBI Warns Street Drug Is Strong [Re: 404]
    #21954960 - 07/17/15 07:02 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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404 said:
i hate these articles. all they do is get people scared about things they've got no idea about creating a boogy man that helps to perpetuate the drug war because... DRUGS ARE BAD!


So lame. i want to know what molecule is in whatever the fuck "flakka" is, i'm guessing some kind of synthetic cathinone? perhaps i missed something while reading this.


i can't... there's just too much misinformation in this article it's like it was done on purpose.



"These synthetics drugs are made with chemicals that nobody knows what they are," says Bill Bergquist, the sheriff of Clay County, Fla


Like they havent gotten 1 sample of the stuff? They cant figure out what it is?
Proof of bullshit


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Re: Flakka: Hallucinogenic Designer Drug Already Sold In Several States; FBI Warns Street Drug Is Strong [Re: MajickMuffin] * 1
    #21955236 - 07/17/15 09:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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MajickMuffin said:
Quote:

404 said:
i hate these articles. all they do is get people scared about things they've got no idea about creating a boogy man that helps to perpetuate the drug war because... DRUGS ARE BAD!


So lame. i want to know what molecule is in whatever the fuck "flakka" is, i'm guessing some kind of synthetic cathinone? perhaps i missed something while reading this.


i can't... there's just too much misinformation in this article it's like it was done on purpose.



"These synthetics drugs are made with chemicals that nobody knows what they are," says Bill Bergquist, the sheriff of Clay County, Fla


Like they havent gotten 1 sample of the stuff? They cant figure out what it is?
Proof of bullshit



Dude a-pvp has been around since the 60s im pretty sure they have researched a bit on pyrrolidine compounds seeing as to how alot of nootropics/stimulants stem from these amines, i remember reading somewhere about french soldiers using pyrovalerone or prolintane cant remember which, to keep them awake and pumped up during war, it was a crazier and more effective alternative to methamphetamine.


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Re: Flakka: Hallucinogenic Designer Drug Already Sold In Several States; FBI Warns Street Drug Is Strong [Re: motaman]
    #21955818 - 07/17/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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motaman said:
The drug is sold ten times cheaper than drug cocktail Molly




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‘Grandson,’ he says. ‘There are two wolves inside you. One is white and the other is black.’
‘What are they doing there, Grandfather?’ asks the wide-eyed boy.
‘They are fighting each other,’ says the old man.
The boy considers this, then asks, ‘Why are they white and black?’
‘The white one is your love, your peace and your truth. The black one is your fear, your anger and your lies.’

The fire crackles and sparks flare in the night. The wolf on the ridge howls again and the old man puffs contentedly on his pipe. Finally, the boy says, ‘Which one will win, Grandfather?’

‘Ah,’ says the old man, removing the pipe once more. ‘The one that wins is the one that you feed.’


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Re: Flakka: Hallucinogenic Designer Drug Already Sold In Several States; FBI Warns Street Drug Is Strong [Re: Asante]
    #21958110 - 07/17/15 09:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Asante said:
Okay FINALLY some light in the darknes, this from a government site:

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Use of a dangerous synthetic cathinone drug called alpha-pyrrolidinopentiophenone (alpha-PVP), popularly known as "Flakka," is surging in Florida




"flakka" is a nonsensical name for alpha-PVP, the shorter acting somewhat less potent brother of MDPV that lacks the methylenedioxy ring.

The asuthor of that story didnt even know what he was talking about and you just enter Flakka in Google and the first hit gives it.

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I like my hysterical drug stories to have a catchy street name that no one on the street has ever called it. Remember Meow meow?


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Re: Flakka: Hallucinogenic Designer Drug Already Sold In Several States; FBI Warns Street Drug Is Strong [Re: my3rdeye]
    #21958120 - 07/17/15 09:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Drug cocktail :lol: give me a fucking break


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Re: Flakka: Hallucinogenic Designer Drug Already Sold In Several States; FBI Warns Street Drug Is Strong [Re: Rebelutionsssss] * 1
    #21959542 - 07/18/15 07:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think the media wants people to be misinformed, the use names like "flakka" instead of a-PvP because if you knew what it was you could obtain scientific and accurate information and make an educated decision to ingest the compound, being aware of its dose, pharmacology, and interactions with other drugs...

They want people to go nuts on scary unidentifiable things, it's more interesting "reporting", and as long as the readers are ignorant it's bound to happen again...

This article is like a modern parody of reefer madness...

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