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Re: One last question before I get started.. [Re: spacechildo]
    #21959997 - 07/18/15 10:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Potency, yield, speed, and whether or not there are contaminates.  All things we would want to control.  Unless you're fine with shooting up jars with mystery fluid you have to order off the internet repeatedly, then.. you know.. by all means.


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Re: One last question before I get started.. [Re: spacechildo]
    #21961470 - 07/18/15 05:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Ok yes that seems pretty clear, but why would WE do it? Are you saying that someone who was growing a certain type of mushroom, might...get some that weren't very potent? I'm afraid I still don't understand the practical application. .

You said "outcome". What type of undesirable outcome, might occur?




yes its all random with MS. potency, yield, everything imaginable.
with iso/clones you know what to expect.





There we go. Thank you sir. I didn't know anything about the randomness. I was thinking the vendors all strived to produce the best product possible.


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Re: One last question before I get started.. [Re: bennylava]
    #21961579 - 07/18/15 05:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

As someone else said, order with bitcoin or cash so there is no record.  If you are concerned with anonymity, ordering prints is safer than ordering syringes.  They would literally have to see a piece of tinfoil in an envelope, open it, see what looks like some kind of artsy plant shit and know what it was.  It is also less suggestive of cultivation than a syringe.

Even then it wouldn't be illegal.

A syringe is more likely to draw attention, but since it is legal in the US (iffy legality in CA, GA, ID) it doesn't really matter.

If you order prints, you will need to trust in your own sterile technique right off that bat.

Re: Genetics
If you want to grow good basketball players, you could take a random sampling of children of basketball players (domesticated vendor variety multipsore) or you could clone lebron (isolation.)  The latter will produce more predictably good results, if you can handle that much leadership.


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Re: One last question before I get started.. [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #21961655 - 07/18/15 06:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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If you want to grow good basketball players, you could take a random sampling of children of basketball players (domesticated vendor variety multipsore) or you could clone lebron (isolation.)  The latter will produce more predictably good results, if you can handle that much leadership.




This fuckin analogy...

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Re: One last question before I get started.. [Re: Inocuole]
    #21962089 - 07/18/15 07:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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If you want to grow good basketball players, you could take a random sampling of children of basketball players (domesticated vendor variety multipsore) or you could clone lebron (isolation.)  The latter will produce more predictably good results, if you can handle that much leadership.




This fuckin analogy...

:hahthatsrich:




I LOL'd

But seriously, perfectly explained. Using Agar to isolate prevents you from having to order more syringes since you seem sketched out about it to begin with. A HUGE bonus is you get to isolate a cluster/mushroom you really like, and make many many more just like it.


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Re: One last question before I get started.. [Re: WindWisperer]
    #21963603 - 07/19/15 06:28 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks again for the help. But this does raise another question for me. From what you guys are saying, I have to ask:

Have there been people who ordered prints or syringes, and their crop (of watermelons of course) just didn't have much effect? For example, did someone get some fairly lousy fruits, that while grown well and had a high yield, just didn't produce much effect? Perhaps this person (or these people) ended up having to eat 20 dried grams just to get the same effect of a good strain's 3 dried grams? How much of a discrepancy are we talking about here? I'm just trying to get a feel for how big of an issue this really is.


Edited by bennylava (07/19/15 06:29 AM)


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Re: One last question before I get started.. [Re: bennylava]
    #21963876 - 07/19/15 08:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I've heard of people doing that but they're always noobs so I figure they did something wrong usually.


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Re: One last question before I get started.. [Re: Inocuole]
    #21963887 - 07/19/15 08:58 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If you want you can get a more even potency by grinding it up and mixing it together. This will mix the weaker fruits in with the more potent ones blending them all together making the potency more consistent:thumbup:


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Re: One last question before I get started.. [Re: mushmagic]
    #21963906 - 07/19/15 09:08 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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If you want you can get a more even potency by grinding it up and mixing it together. This will mix the weaker fruits in with the more potent ones blending them all together making the potency more consistent:thumbup:




I notice you say "More potency" and then follow up by saying "making the potency more consistent".

So....  If he ground up potent ones, in his left hand, with less potent ones, in his right hand, wouldn't it be "less potent" than if he had just eaten the ones in his left hand?

I would never recommend grinding up mushrooms unless you're minutes away from consuming them, and then, at that point, what does it matter if you grind them together, if you're eating the exact same mushrooms you would otherwise be eating?

Grinding rapidly expedites oxidation, btw, which is my reasoning for jumping on this like I did.  It also rapidly increases the rate of absorption in your system, which may or may not have led to the confusion that inspired the post I'm replying to in the first place.  It certainly won't make anything more potent though, it just might make it seem that way.


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Re: One last question before I get started.. [Re: Inocuole]
    #21963950 - 07/19/15 09:26 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I said "more even" potency.

Also said to mix them together not keep them seperate (not that you'd even be able to determine the potency by physical appearance anyway)

Also as long as theyre stored properly and in a timely manner they likely wont lose too much as long as youre not exposing to oxygen for extended periods of time.

EDIT; I was also referring to more than just a single dose of fruits that are from MS considering it can vary so drastically from fruit to fruit so this can help give everyone an even dose.

Pretty much like making one big pot of tea for multiple people so everyones getting right about the same dose.


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Re: One last question before I get started.. [Re: mushmagic]
    #21964182 - 07/19/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If you were doing that and you were smart you'd have ground them all up anyway for that. :shrug:

I just don't think it's a good idea to grind your whole stash.


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Re: One last question before I get started.. [Re: Inocuole]
    #21964717 - 07/19/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I was just using the tea part as an example as to wat I meant by grinding up multiple doses because it generally has the same effect in evening out the doses per person.

My bad I wasnt trying to recommend grinding an entire stash either but rather just wat you will be using at that point.


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Re: One last question before I get started.. [Re: mushmagic]
    #21966962 - 07/19/15 07:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So to be clear, there have been people that have ordered their (watermelon seeds) and have grown them, and eaten 5 dried grams, and got no effect? I'm still trying to garner what the odds are that I'll get a lousy crop that has very little potency.

Is that even possible? Or is it far more likely, that if I ate 5 dried grams of stuff that I ordered and grew, (of watermelons) that I'd be completely satisfied with their potency?

I'm using the 5 dried grams only as an example. Because people who consume that much at once, almost always report the same "experience".

So is this something I should be worried about? That my fruits won't be all that potent?


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Re: One last question before I get started.. [Re: bennylava]
    #21967119 - 07/19/15 08:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

No, it's not likely you'll have a bunk experience.  Just pick a domesticated variety.  It will likely have less crazy fluctuations in potency and grow more reliably.

I'd guess eating 5g and not having an experience would mostly be due to unhealthy grows where the mycellium is struggling to stay alive let alone produce frivolous chemicals in its fruit bodies.

An isolate could be more bunk, but since you're using multispore, you're potency should be right around the middle of the distribution curve of potencies.


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Re: One last question before I get started.. [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #21967145 - 07/19/15 08:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: One last question before I get started.. [Re: moehd]
    #21969195 - 07/20/15 05:03 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Watermelons aren't psychoactive.  So you probably wouldn't feel anything.  If we're talking about the illegal psilocybe mushrooms that you're growing, then there's a good chance those will be psychoactive.  The watermelon joke isn't fooling anybody though, this is the wrong forum for that even if it did.


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Re: One last question before I get started.. [Re: Inocuole]
    #21972907 - 07/20/15 09:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Watermelons aren't psychoactive.  So you probably wouldn't feel anything.  If we're talking about the illegal psilocybe mushrooms that you're growing, then there's a good chance those will be psychoactive.  The watermelon joke isn't fooling anybody though, this is the wrong forum for that even if it did.




Um, no. Its not a joke. I got warned by a mod to stop talking about ordering from vendors, and then growing. Please read the rules. Its forbidden. So you go ahead and go do whatever the f*ck you want, I'm going to avoid another warning and possible ban.


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Re: One last question before I get started.. [Re: bennylava]
    #21973964 - 07/21/15 01:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Watermelons aren't psychoactive.  So you probably wouldn't feel anything.  If we're talking about the illegal psilocybe mushrooms that you're growing, then there's a good chance those will be psychoactive.  The watermelon joke isn't fooling anybody though, this is the wrong forum for that even if it did.




Um, no. Its not a joke. I got warned by a mod to stop talking about ordering from vendors, and then growing. Please read the rules. Its forbidden. So you go ahead and go do whatever the f*ck you want, I'm going to avoid another warning and possible ban.




Just go ahead and talk about what you are really doing, mention it came from a sponsor, but don't mention who. Seems to be what everyone does.


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Re: One last question before I get started.. [Re: WindWisperer]
    #21974300 - 07/21/15 05:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Seriously?  Because you fucked up and said a vendor name you're going on this watermelon spree?  I've never seen somebody interpret a warning that way, that cracks me up.

:canthelpbutlaugh:

I must be in big trouble.  I grow a whole lot of illegal mushrooms.  They're illegal.  So is having pounds of them.  So is growing them, but I do those things and discuss them anyway.  Here's some photo evidence.



Come get me mods.

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Re: One last question before I get started.. [Re: Inocuole]
    #21977125 - 07/21/15 07:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Seriously? You never wondered why it says do not mention growing and vendors together? I notice in your big sarcasm post you didn't do that. Go ahead and do it. I dare ya.


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