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Bridgesii vs South Pedro and Torch Experience?
    #21944957 - 07/15/15 01:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

How does the experience differ between types of cactus and which would be more suitable for a first timer to San Pedro?

It's just I'll be making tea soon for a friend and I.  I'm very laid back but my friend is always a little nervous and can be prone to anxiety.

I've read Bridge, while more potent, gives quite a different experience with more energy.  How have people found the differences, is it massive?

I'm just wondering if I should make tea from a mix of 2 cuttings bridge and sp, or just make pure sp for her if it's more mellow?


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Re: Bridgesii vs South Pedro and Torch Experience? [Re: sarahnya]
    #21944971 - 07/15/15 01:29 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Oh also found a seller offering rarer forms of sacred cactus, has anyone tried these?

Trichocereus Cuzcoensis, Trichocereus Tacaquirensis, Trichocereus Knuthianus,
Trichocereus Peruvianus var. Tarmaensis


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Re: Bridgesii vs South Pedro and Torch Experience? [Re: sarahnya]
    #21956234 - 07/17/15 01:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Bump, no one experimented with different cacti?

Also I read bridgesii feels a little darker, is this actually true?


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Re: Bridgesii vs South Pedro and Torch Experience? [Re: sarahnya]
    #21956274 - 07/17/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Don't get cuzco or the others unless you're going to grow them.  Bridgesii does give a bit more energy but nothing crazy, you'll have a good time either way.


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Re: Bridgesii vs South Pedro and Torch Experience? [Re: sarahnya]
    #21956294 - 07/17/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Oh also found a seller offering rarer forms of sacred cactus, has anyone tried these?
Trichocereus Cuzcoensis, Trichocereus Tacaquirensis, Trichocereus Knuthianus,
Trichocereus Peruvianus var. Tarmaensis




I have no personal experiences so far with different cacti.
But my books about psychoactive cacti say the T.Knuthianus does not contain mescaline.

T.cuzcoensis does. In appereance it's seems similar to T.peruvianus but the mescaline content is somehow comparable to T.pachanoi or less, most people are very dissappointed when using T.cuzcoensis to trip.

A T.tacaquirensis is not listed in my books, but a T.taquimbalensis, that one does also contain mescaline, but the ammount seems to be pretty low, too.

A true T.peruvianus has more meacaline than a T.pachanoi or a T.bridgesii.

Bridgesiigenin A and B, found only in T.bridgesii seem to do something with the experience. Some say it's MAO-I like compound that extends the trip somehow. The mescaline-content is kinda similar to T.pachjanoi, but a T.bridgesii seems to be the most reliable source, though.

Just my 2cts, that's what I've read so far. In a few weeks I can tell you more. :wink:

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Re: Bridgesii vs South Pedro and Torch Experience? [Re: Pandemoon]
    #21956750 - 07/17/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks that's fab. I bought some bridge X pedro babies and they should be interesting to grow. They are almost 3 times as big as their pure bridge counterparts of the same age! Really fast growing, hopefully they turn out to be potent.

I was worried about giving my friend bridge for her first cactus trip as she's a bit on the flakey side lol


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Re: Bridgesii vs South Pedro and Torch Experience? [Re: sarahnya]
    #21957254 - 07/17/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

IME, pach is more mellow than bridge. Bridgesii is more stimulating. However, the differences are subtle. Also, I feel like bridgesii gave me cold sweats, similar to the morning after a night of heavy drinking. Bridgesii was not darker imo. They are both extraordinary experiences. I think either one will provide an excellent experience.:shrug:


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Re: Bridgesii vs South Pedro and Torch Experience? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #21958962 - 07/18/15 01:03 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That's really good, the last thing I want is to have and sit a 12 hour anxiety attack...

So its still a relatively mellow psychedelic then ?  I've not tried it myself yet as I'm waiting for a few days off work so I have recovery time after.


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Re: Bridgesii vs South Pedro and Torch Experience? [Re: sarahnya]
    #21959489 - 07/18/15 07:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Most peruvianus and pachanoi out there are pretty weak. Not to say that they all are. Bridgesii are going to be the most reliably potent. The other ones listed are not generally used for psychedelic purposes.


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Re: Bridgesii vs South Pedro and Torch Experience? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #21960019 - 07/18/15 11:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for the input. If I was to make a brew for 2 containing a foot of bridge and a foot of pedro, any idea what it would be like?  Anyone mixed them before ?


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Re: Bridgesii vs South Pedro and Torch Experience? [Re: sarahnya]
    #21967591 - 07/19/15 10:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Do you still get the euphoria with bridgesii.  I'm still trying to figure out where the it's like.  Some say it feels very energetic and mad etc with more intense visuals.  I was looking for something peaceful to appreciate nature etc


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Re: Bridgesii vs South Pedro and Torch Experience? [Re: sarahnya]
    #21967646 - 07/19/15 10:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think that has a lot to do with dosage. Any of them can be pretty intense if you take too much, but honestly, it's pretty difficult to take too much. Most people the first few times they brew find it pretty mellow. Usually it takes a few trials of brewing methods before you hit the "oh shit" point. At least that's been my experience.


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Re: Bridgesii vs South Pedro and Torch Experience? [Re: nicechrisman] * 1
    #21967747 - 07/19/15 10:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Bridgesii in particular has a lot of alkaloids. It also typically has the highest and more consistent concentrations of mescaline. I've had really week and really strong san pedro and torch. Bridgesii has also been a strong trip every time I've done it. What I've noticed from tripping with noobs is they tend to associate the experience to their drug of choice. I've been told "this feels like ecstasy" or "this is just like acid." My theory on this is that their are so many alkaloids it's easy to tap into past experiences and channel them. After having done a lot of mescaline though I can deffinetly respect and differentiate it's individuality.


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Re: Bridgesii vs South Pedro and Torch Experience? [Re: sarahnya]
    #21969586 - 07/20/15 07:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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That's really good, the last thing I want is to have and sit a 12 hour anxiety attack...





This is exactly what I had. So... make sure you know your dosage.  I brewed the living shit out of about 15 inches of fat t. bridge and it turned out to be super crazy potent stuff.  Don't get me wrong, the peak was like a wonderful extended stay in DMT hyperspace, but the trip in general was full of madness and stress for me.


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Re: Bridgesii vs South Pedro and Torch Experience? [Re: gornyhuy]
    #21970235 - 07/20/15 11:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah this is what I've been reading a lot, people using bridgesii and getting a shock lol

I may just do pedro first time because my friend is really sensitive to psychedelics, it's really her I'm worried about I'm quite chilled even when it feels I'm melting into the floor etc

Only thing is I don't have enough cuttings so I'm eating on the powder and chips I ordered coming so I can bulk it up with that.


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Re: Bridgesii vs South Pedro and Torch Experience? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #21970245 - 07/20/15 11:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I think that has a lot to do with dosage. Any of them can be pretty intense if you take too much, but honestly, it's pretty difficult to take too much. Most people the first few times they brew find it pretty mellow. Usually it takes a few trials of brewing methods before you hit the "oh shit" point. At least that's been my experience.




So are we saying the experience is more to do with dosage, and t bridge is just more potent, like the same trip you would get from 2 foot of sp etc?

Just wondered if it was overall different, I read that it has a maoi and thought it might change the though trips like though trips like taking a maoi with mushrooms changes it quite a bit.


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Re: Bridgesii vs South Pedro and Torch Experience? [Re: sarahnya]
    #21971875 - 07/20/15 05:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

IMO, both pach and bridge are mellower than mushrooms. The dose response curve is nonlinear, so if you double your dose, the experience can be a lot more than twice as strong. The other thing is that cactus varies widely in potency and each species does contain different alkaloids. You're just going to have to try it out and find what is comfortable for you. Start low. Even an underwhelming experience is pretty awesome because it is similar to MDMA.


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