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Fucking morbidly obese people * 1
    #21944445 - 07/14/15 10:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So I went to the grocery store earlier today and on my way out saw the most :facepalm: moment ever. A little girl probably 6-7 years old hopped on one of those hoverround things in the front of the store, that I always assumed was for the handicapped and elderly, but seems to be increasingly used for overweight lazy assholes who don't wanna walk to buy the food they don't need.

She hops on the hoverround, and floors it as fast as it can go right into the sliding door in the front of the store, knocks it off the tracking, and pushes it even further so its barely even hanging there. Her mom is standing there facepalming, and she takes off into the parking lot, diving in and out between cars, and the thing is stopping every few feet.

I hear her yelling as loud as fucking possible "GRANDMA WE'RE GONNA NEED ANOTHER ONE, THIS ONE STOPS WHEN IT HITS THE BUMPS!" Then I see grandma climbing out of the van, she walks a good ten feet, so I know she isn't handicapped, and she's in a normal parking spot, so I have no sympathy for this lady she's easily in her mid 50's.

She walks and gets onto the hoverround as I climb into my car to leave. Then as I pull out of the parking lot I see she has 3 of her grandkids, pushing her into the store on this thing.:facepalm:

Honestly it pisses me off to see people walk up to these things and then get on them. I understand if your handicapped, or elderly like I said previously, but this lady and a good 90% of the people I see using them aren't. Their just lazy ass slobs who have no hope for improvement in life. I hope someone kills me if I ever reach that point. It's even more depressing to think this lady has no problem having her grandkids all push her ass into the store.

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Re: Fucking morbidly obese people [Re: LuSiD enthusiast] * 1
    #21944472 - 07/14/15 11:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

ALWAYS WORK OUT.

DONT GET FAT.


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Re: Fucking morbidly obese people [Re: Moonshoe]
    #21944544 - 07/14/15 11:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Or just dont eat as much? Obviously our current system isnt the way nature intended it to be. Hunting and gathering is the way its meant to be, and we should be doing everything possible to mimic this natural method.


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Re: Fucking morbidly obese people [Re: LuSiD enthusiast] * 1
    #21944552 - 07/14/15 11:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

ive said this before, that parents of obese children should be charged with child abuse.


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Re: Fucking morbidly obese people [Re: LuSiD enthusiast] * 1
    #21944630 - 07/14/15 11:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

just because you can walk, doesn't mean you don't need walking assistance.

Alot of people have pain, so why shop in pain, when there's a motor cart that nobody is using that will reduce or eliminate your pain while shopping?  For all you fucking know she just had heart surgury, ever think of that stupid?

Its the same thing with fat people, you think they are JUST fat?  Wake up dumbass, they are a pregnaunt lady x 5, they could EAT 5 pregnaunt ladys and still have room for desert.  And what do those pregnaunt ladys do?  THey bitch and cry for help walking and they only have to be fat for a year.

What do you think being fat for decades does to your body?  Your knee's hurt all the time, your back hurts all the time, your heart is weak so you lose your breath easy.

Plus think of all the nasty fucking people who use those motor carts are, do you really think they would want to sit on one of those if they didn't have to?  I know id never fucking touch one, half the people using them prob have shit in their pants.


anyways like i said, we need more fat people awareness, fat people are discriminated against and are being kept down in society by the skinny man


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Re: Fucking morbidly obese people [Re: LSDreams]
    #21944681 - 07/14/15 11:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Or just dont eat as much? Obviously our current system isnt the way nature intended it to be. Hunting and gathering is the way its meant to be, and we should be doing everything possible to mimic this natural method.




UM.  that's a really problematic statement because  there are a ton of people that have conditions that literally violate the law of thermodynamics and they stay fat even if they eat 700 calories a day. It's really insensitive and fat phobic(which is literally on par with racism and sexism, btw) for you to just say things like "Eat Less". Also, you just totally triggered me, so maybe you should check your privilege, asshole.



just kidding, I agree.


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Re: Fucking morbidly obese people [Re: pirate-blues]
    #21944692 - 07/14/15 11:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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LSDreams said:
Or just dont eat as much? Obviously our current system isnt the way nature intended it to be. Hunting and gathering is the way its meant to be, and we should be doing everything possible to mimic this natural method.




UM.  that's a really problematic statement because  there are a ton of people that have conditions that literally violate the law of thermodynamics and they stay fat even if they eat 700 calories a day. It's really insensitive and fat phobic(which is literally on par with racism and sexism, btw) for you to just say things like "Eat Less". Also, you just totally triggered me, so maybe you should check your privilege, asshole.



just kidding, I agree.



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Re: Fucking morbidly obese people [Re: makaveli8x8] * 1
    #21944699 - 07/14/15 11:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I believe that unlike racism and sexism and heterosexism, anti-fat sentiment is largely appropriate and deserved. In 90+ percent of cases, being obese means being both greedy and lazy. Being fat is a morally bad thing in most cases. It should  be shamed. You get too fat by eating too much of the wrong things and not exercising enough, and being obese is in every way bad for you and society. As long as people in the world are starving, being obese is morally abhorrent. It means you are taking more then your fair share of the world`s resources.


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Re: Fucking morbidly obese people [Re: Moonshoe]
    #21944707 - 07/14/15 11:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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ALWAYS WORK OUT.

DONT GET FAT.



LOL Moonshoe's pathology is easily summarized.


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Re: Fucking morbidly obese people [Re: LSDreams]
    #21944709 - 07/14/15 11:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Obviously our current system isnt the way nature intended it to be.




Evolution is the way nature intended us to be. Our technology and society are evolving us into gross fat fucks. We will soon do away with ourselves. The earth goes on as it has for billions of years.

Nothing to see here folks.


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Re: Fucking morbidly obese people [Re: Moonshoe]
    #21944715 - 07/14/15 11:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I believe that unlike racism and sexism and heterosexism, anti-fat sentiment is largely appropriate and deserved. In 90+ percent of cases, being obese means being both greedy and lazy. Being fat is a morally bad thing in most cases. It should  be shamed. You get too fat by eating too much of the wrong things and not exercising enough, and being obese is in every way bad for you and society. As long as people in the world are starving, being obese is morally abhorrent. It means you are taking more then your fair share of the world`s resources.



go Khmer Rouge on their asses.


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Re: Fucking morbidly obese people [Re: I_was_the_walrus]
    #21944725 - 07/15/15 12:02 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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LSDreams said:
Obviously our current system isnt the way nature intended it to be.




Evolution is the way nature intended us to be. Our technology and society are evolving us into gross fat fucks. We will soon do away with ourselves. The earth goes on as it has for billions of years.

Nothing to see here folks.



i don't see anything wrong with being fat, just with being un-assertively fat.

we need to use these fat people for like the Mexican border or something...but then we need to invest in giant guzzler helmet's.


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Re: Fucking morbidly obese people [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21944729 - 07/15/15 12:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

makes me so angry when you see someone SO FUCKING FAT that they cant actually walk. Go into some sort of shit like KFC or come out with piles of junk food.


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Re: Fucking morbidly obese people [Re: kakashi68]
    #21944737 - 07/15/15 12:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It really is morally abhorrent, ethically repugnant, depraved, degenerate etc.


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Re: Fucking morbidly obese people [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #21944740 - 07/15/15 12:08 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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i don't see anything wrong with being fat, just with being un-assertively fat




Agreed.

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Being fat is a morally bad thing in most cases.




And disagreed. Thats like saying excessive smoking is morally bad. Yes its unhealthy and maybe selfish, but its their body and their choice. Smoking and eating have as much in common with morality as religion.


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Re: Fucking morbidly obese people [Re: I_was_the_walrus]
    #21944744 - 07/15/15 12:08 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Smoking cigarettes is absolutely and quite obviously morally bad.


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Re: Fucking morbidly obese people [Re: Moonshoe]
    #21944745 - 07/15/15 12:08 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I believe that unlike racism and sexism and heterosexism, anti-fat sentiment is largely appropriate and deserved. In 90+ percent of cases, being obese means being both greedy and lazy. Being fat is a morally bad thing in most cases. It should  be shamed. You get too fat by eating too much of the wrong things and not exercising enough, and being obese is in every way bad for you and society. As long as people in the world are starving, being obese is morally abhorrent. It means you are taking more then your fair share of the world`s resources.








I don't hate fat people, I don't think they deserved to be bullied. I am not perfect and I have a lot of flaws and weaknesses, I'm bipolar, and quite frankly mental illness is also a drain on society(particularly untreated mental illness), I understand the disordered thinking/behavior because I've been there. I don't want to judge people for the problems and struggles they go through that may lead to unhealthy lifestyle choices...I'm very much of the "hate the sin, love the sinner mentality".

I do not think being fat should be normalized or encouraged the way it is starting to be, I think that it should be shamed in the same way the alcoholism and smoking are shamed. The body positive movement started out with good intentions and has been totally corrupted by people who are flat out glorifying being fat - or the new "curvy", rather. It's really not sending a good message to little kids - particularly younger girls.

The fat acceptance movement is a blight on society and it's fucking dangerous.


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Re: Fucking morbidly obese people [Re: pirate-blues]
    #21944747 - 07/15/15 12:09 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

``I do not think being fat should be normalized or encouraged the way it is starting to be, I think that it should be shamed in the same way the alcoholism and smoking are shamed. ``

EXACTLY


Edited by Moonshoe (07/15/15 12:10 AM)


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: Moonshoe]
    #21944748 - 07/15/15 12:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Moonshoe said:
I believe that unlike racism and sexism and heterosexism, anti-fat sentiment is largely appropriate and deserved. In 90+ percent of cases, being obese means being both greedy and lazy. Being fat is a morally bad thing in most cases. It should  be shamed. You get too fat by eating too much of the wrong things and not exercising enough, and being obese is in every way bad for you and society. As long as people in the world are starving, being obese is morally abhorrent. It means you are taking more then your fair share of the world`s resources.




you're discriminating against fat people, its unfair to judge them as a whole and therefor its unfair to shame them.  Shame an individual based on an individuals choices that you KNOW, don't make assumptions, Because everything you mentioned can be the very opposite in a fat person and they are still fat.

Also as i mentioned in another recent fat thread, fat people are evolutionary more advanced than skinny people, they shouldn't be shamed, they should be praised for having superior genetics.  There bodys are highly efficient at using food and thats one of the reasons they are fat in most cases.  So if they curbed their diet, or already have, that means they are eating less and storing MORE energy which from a biologic sense is vastly superior to you fat shaming skinny dudes who would die in a week during the apocolypse


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Re: Fucking morbidly obese people [Re: kakashi68]
    #21944749 - 07/15/15 12:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i just met this stunningly gorgeous obese middle eastern woman.  her body doesn't even matter with a face like that.


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #21944754 - 07/15/15 12:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thats actually a really interesting point! I am totally one of those guys who would die in a week in an apocalypse. If I dont eat aggressively I shed like six pounds a day. I never thought of it that way.

I am inferior! I praise my obese overlords! Sire my children! I desire your superior obese genetics for my children, so that they might survive the coming doom.


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: kakashi68]
    #21944755 - 07/15/15 12:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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makes me so angry when you see someone SO FUCKING FAT that they cant actually walk. Go into some sort of shit like KFC or come out with piles of junk food.




if you care so much why don't you go give them a hug, maybe if they felt loved they wouldn't have to eat the only thing they have to love in life, food and more food.


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Re: Fucking morbidly obese people [Re: Moonshoe]
    #21944758 - 07/15/15 12:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Smoking cigarettes is absolutely and quite obviously morally bad.



LOL so is you wasting your time on improving your own body without contributing to anything else, bro, you're just on borrowed time, so wtf dude, what selfishness.


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Re: Fucking morbidly obese people [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21944761 - 07/15/15 12:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Improving your own body is itself morally good or neutral.


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #21944765 - 07/15/15 12:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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kakashi68 said:
makes me so angry when you see someone SO FUCKING FAT that they cant actually walk. Go into some sort of shit like KFC or come out with piles of junk food.




if you care so much why don't you go give them a hug, maybe if they felt loved they wouldn't have to eat the only thing they have to love in life, food and more food.







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Re: Fucking morbidly obese people [Re: Moonshoe]
    #21944767 - 07/15/15 12:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

nah. it's not useful to anyone but you, so how is it useful given the moral's behind you being so selfish as to not give back to our society in the time you take to shed some calories. :archiebunker:


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: Moonshoe]
    #21944769 - 07/15/15 12:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

but what incentive do they have to do it?  there life already sucks, and then they are discriminated against by fat shamers which segrates them from society.  At that point they have no reason to improve their image as they feel they will never fit in.

Its pretty simple, when you have only 1 thing in life that you enjoy, how the fuck are you supposed to take that away from them, and then to shame them for not doing it.  Every single time you shame one of them, or encourage it, all your doing is making the problem worse.

Lets go shame women for being raped, that will do them some good!


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Re: Fucking morbidly obese people [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21944775 - 07/15/15 12:16 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Working out in no way means you aren`t contributing to society in other ways. Being fat means being a drain on society , being fit means being less of a drain on society and more able to contribute.


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: Moonshoe]
    #21944782 - 07/15/15 12:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Working out in no way means you aren`t contributing to society in other ways. Being fat means being a drain on society , being fit means being less of a drain on society and more able to contribute.



no it doesn't, if their weren't fat people who would work at call centers?

skinny bitchy fat shamers?  im sure they would make lovely people to talk to on the phone


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Re: Fucking morbidly obese people [Re: Moonshoe]
    #21944784 - 07/15/15 12:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Here are estimates on what obesity actually costs the US.



$190 billion -- That's the amount of added medical costs every year that are estimated to stem from obesity-related problems. It’s nearly 21% of total U.S. health care costs.

105% -- According to a study conducted by the Brookings Institution, this is the increased amount that obese Americans pay for prescription drugs compared to individuals who aren't obese.

$3.4 billion -- Cars are burning around 938 million gallons of gasoline per year more than they would if Americans weighed what they did in 1960.

$164 billion -- The Society of Actuaries estimates that U.S. employers are losing this amount in productivity each year due to obesity-related issues with employees.

$6.4 billion -- Every year, this amount is estimated to be lost due to employee absenteeism related to obesity.

$1 billion -- U.S. airlines are consuming an extra 350 million gallons of fuel per year due to overweight passengers.

$14.3 billion -- This is how much childhood obesity costs the U.S. each year, according to a published study from the Brookings Institution.

$62 billion -- Medicare and Medicaid are spending nearly this amount every year on obesity-related costs.

$66 billion -- Columbia University researchers say that if current trends don't change, annul obesity-related medical costs in the U.S. could increase this amount by 2030.

$580 billion -- The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation predicts that annual economic productivity loss due to obesity could hit this staggering amount by 2030 unless the current situation changes.


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: pirate-blues]
    #21944791 - 07/15/15 12:21 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

and what about skinny people who are addicted to cig's, or alcohol, or a number of other things.

ADDICTION costs society


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #21944796 - 07/15/15 12:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You're a troll and all, but that's exactly what this is all about.


Addiction to food. Arguably the largest most widespread addiction epidemic currently going on.


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Re: Fucking morbidly obese people [Re: pirate-blues]
    #21944798 - 07/15/15 12:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:thumbup:

Exactly. Just like smoking and alcoholism, obesity is a personal choice based on hedonism, nihilism and gluttony that carries an immense social cost and is thus morally perverse.


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Re: Fucking morbidly obese people [Re: Moonshoe]
    #21944803 - 07/15/15 12:24 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Working out in no way means you aren`t contributing to society in other ways. Being fat means being a drain on society , being fit means being less of a drain on society and more able to contribute.



morally your selfish care for your personal preference to your body type is bereft of any contribution to society, just like those who are fat, you should be contributing as in ACTUALLY contributing. get to work, no more personal choices for you, son.


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: pirate-blues]
    #21944811 - 07/15/15 12:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

im a troll?  i thought trolls didn't make good points, infact i thought they didn't make any at all.

instead of trying to generalize me and put me in a group of people, purhaps you should take a deep breath and realize alot of what im saying makes some sense, and admit you just don't agree or want to agree because you're skinny shamer and don't want to lose your rights to crack jokes about them.

See i think its YOU who is a troll, its like gay's, you have to be nice to them now, i think that pisses you off, you miss being able to call people fags and queers, because you're a troll.


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: Moonshoe] * 1
    #21944813 - 07/15/15 12:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Exactly. Just like smoking and alcoholism, obesity is a personal choice based on hedonism, nihilism and gluttony that carries an immense social cost and is thus morally perverse.




i bet you think being gay isn't a choice tho huh?  funny how simple minds work on here.


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Re: Fucking morbidly obese people [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21944816 - 07/15/15 12:28 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If you could choose a society of 100 people to found a human colony on a new planet, would you choose 100 obese people, or 100 fit and strong and healthy people?

Obviously you would choose 100 fit and strong and healthy people, and zero obese people, all else being equal, and this is exactly why being fat is morally wrong and being fit is morally good= being fit is good for society, and being fat is bad for it.

Being fit means the abiliity to exercise discipline, self control, effort and other desirable qualities.

Being obese means being gluttonous, lazy, indulgent, foolish and other undesirable qualities.

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Re: Fucking morbidly obese people [Re: Moonshoe]
    #21944824 - 07/15/15 12:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

that's exactly why it's moral, because of some hypothetical new human planet/colony? :lmafo: ok there. maybe you should bring in the Upanishads next.


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    #21944828 - 07/15/15 12:32 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Moonshoe said:
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Exactly. Just like smoking and alcoholism, obesity is a personal choice based on hedonism, nihilism and gluttony that carries an immense social cost and is thus morally perverse.




i bet you think being gay isn't a choice tho huh?  funny how simple minds work on here.




What?

:wtf:

I think for some people being gay isn't a choice, and for some it is. I myself am a bisexual man, who was not born gay at all, but chose to experiment with homosexuality, while I have a gay best friend who was born gay, and had a gay lover (my first true love) who was born gay.

Some people are born gay, some people choose to be gay, and some people are forced into homosexuality by circumstances, while others are encouraged or discouraged from homosexuality by society... for everyone both genetic and environmental circumstances play a role in sexual orientation. Nature and nurture are always both factors.

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Re: Fucking morbidly obese people [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21944830 - 07/15/15 12:34 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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that's exactly why it's moral, because of some hypothetical new human planet/colony? :lmafo: ok there. maybe you should bring in the Upanishads next.




The example demonstrates that being fat is bad for society, and being fit is good for society, and what is good for society is generally considered moral (volunteerism, charity) while what is bad for society is generally considered immoral (rape, murder, theft).


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Re: Fucking morbidly obese people [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21944839 - 07/15/15 12:36 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

PS: you don't have a goddamn clue what "moral" means in this instance.

the culture you live in is not concerned with giving, nor i doubt could provide everyone with, a substantially healthy diet. people do not necessarily get fat from overeating, they get fat from product's that have no nutritional value, which has perverted your so highly acclaimed society already, so your gluttony/nihilism/hedonism argument is shit piled on top of shit.


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: Moonshoe]
    #21944847 - 07/15/15 12:38 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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But what does this have to do with obesity?




you said that being fat was a choice.......dumbass.


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    #21944853 - 07/15/15 12:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Or just dont eat as much? Obviously our current system isnt the way nature intended it to be. Hunting and gathering is the way its meant to be, and we should be doing everything possible to mimic this natural method.



Technically, this is what nature intended. Nature didn't intend for us to have to gather or hunt for food, it was just a fact of life. So that's how we were geared. What nature did intend for us to do is eat as much as we could, when we could. We needed to consume calories and pack on the pounds at any given opportunity because who the hell knew when we'd see food again.

You aren't entirely wrong though. The fact that we don't have to rely on hunting/gathering is what is causing the problem. Food is just far too accessible these days. Our bodies (and the brain that drives the impulses) are still set to the hunter/gatherer dial.


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #21944856 - 07/15/15 12:41 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Being fat is (usually) a choice.

Being gay is (sometimes) a choice.

If you are born in a society where healthy food, good role models and good lifetsyle and nutrition is not possible/available, it is not as much of a choice to be fat. But generally, people could and can and should eat and live healthier but are lazy and gluttonous and thus become fat.

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    #21944857 - 07/15/15 12:41 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

meanwhile you and your dumb skinny supporters say you can eat anything you want which makes you hypocrites when you also try to make the point that fat people consume more food, just stfu with all your backword stoneage thinking


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: Moonshoe]
    #21944860 - 07/15/15 12:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Its funny how the original thread title "fuck the morbidly obese people" really meant "have sex with morbidly obese people" and the new thread  title "love the morbidly obese people " basically means the same thing.


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: Moonshoe]
    #21944865 - 07/15/15 12:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

yah for some reason i didn't read the original title in that sense, but i guess you could see it that way:smilingpuppy:


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    #21944866 - 07/15/15 12:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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meanwhile you and your dumb skinny supporters say you can eat anything you want which makes you hypocrites when you also try to make the point that fat people consume more food, just stfu with all your backword stoneage thinking




Do you think that people who ate a really healthy diet of freshwater fish, game meat, vegetables and fruits, and who engaged in vigorous exercise for hours a day would be obese?

if not , obesity is a lifestyle choice for anyone with a modicum of economic empowerment.


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: Moonshoe]
    #21944871 - 07/15/15 12:47 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i don't think everyone could do that because you'd splay the ecosystem's guts out doing that. :shrug:


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    #21944885 - 07/15/15 12:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The modern diet of pesticide intensive monoculture high fructose corn syrup heavily processed factory farmed meat and preservatives is far worse for the environment AND causes obesity.


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    #21944892 - 07/15/15 12:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

yeah but that isn't the fault of obese people in general, and you're blaming them for these...facets of society, that really they don't control. :shrug: that's my problem with your moral principle's, you blame the wrong people for tangential problem's in our culture.


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    #21944896 - 07/15/15 12:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i think alot of people can't afford healthy diets for starters, secondly obesity is like a ball rolling downhill, by time you realize you're rolling too fast, well its really hard to fix that.  Thirdly, genetics, you keep acting like oh thats all they have to do, YET all you skinny people never had to fight that fight. 

You act like you are skinny privleged, get off your high horse.

Im on atkins right now, im fat, no surprise, but do you honestly realize how quick i could put the lb's back on?  I could litterally gain 20 lbs in a week, maybe 2, EASY.

in a month i could gain 60 lbs, EASY.

to lose 60 lbs, LONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG time bro. 

Fat people didn't choose their diets, their culture and familys did it for them, they are born into a shitstorm and you are talking about perfect cercumstances.

fat people have it hard, alot harder than skinny people, period.  then you shame them saying they are lazy, yah ok dude, let me know when u get back to reality.
Of course atkins diet and exercise will help alot, of course, but you act like thats the only thing involved


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21944898 - 07/15/15 12:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I blame both the producers and the consumers. I blame both the people who do factory farming and the people who support factory farming with their consumer dollars. If enough people demand healthy and ethical and environmental methods, producers will have no choice but to provide them.


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: Moonshoe]
    #21944902 - 07/15/15 12:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

great i like that thinking, we should shame they shitty products that are allowed into our supermarkets, i like that idea


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: Moonshoe]
    #21944903 - 07/15/15 12:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

and yet that has never been the case because it's never been sustainable. :shrug: of course thing's could change but it require's a change in the  culture...which again, none of this solely falls on the shoulder's of obese people. :shrug:


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Re: Fucking morbidly obese people [Re: Shroomslip]
    #21944908 - 07/15/15 12:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Or just dont eat as much? Obviously our current system isnt the way nature intended it to be. Hunting and gathering is the way its meant to be, and we should be doing everything possible to mimic this natural method.



Technically, this is what nature intended. Nature didn't intend for us to have to gather or hunt for food, it was just a fact of life. So that's how we were geared. What nature did intend for us to do is eat as much as we could, when we could. We needed to consume calories and pack on the pounds at any given opportunity because who the hell knew when we'd see food again.

You aren't entirely wrong though. The fact that we don't have to rely on hunting/gathering is what is causing the problem. Food is just far too accessible these days. Our bodies (and the brain that drives the impulses) are still set to the hunter/gatherer dial.




technically your wrong... Animals eat as much food as they can. eg dogs. Humans were hunter gathers you derp. Thats why its such a basic need.

But more to the point genes play a big part. Some people have to try really hard to not be fat while others can eat as much as they want but are protected by there genes. Fat parents also often ruin their poor children by setting them up with the own disgusting eating habits. Seeing a fat child being fed junk food by fat parents makes me die a little inside for that poor child. Knowing its going to live a horrible life because fat parents cant even protect their childrens from themselves


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Re: Fucking morbidly obese people [Re: kakashi68]
    #21944925 - 07/15/15 01:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i love all the generalization's. "live a horrible life" according to you.


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    #21944950 - 07/15/15 01:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Tell me how a human being a hunter differs from an animal being a hunter. Only thing that makes us different from other animals in the gathering/scavenging aspect is that we don't feed on rotten corpses. Otherwise it's the same principal. The hunting is the exact same principle.

Just like animals we're programmed to eat when we can. Agriculture/husbandry is what changed everything. Other than famine (due to any number of causes) we pretty much had a reliable food source from that point on. We did not have that when we still relied on hunting/gathering.


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: Moonshoe]
    #21946383 - 07/15/15 08:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Its funny how the original thread title "fuck the morbidly obese people" really meant "have sex with morbidly obese people" and the new thread  title "love the morbidly obese people " basically means the same thing.



I never changed the thread title.:wtf: I'm changing it back though.


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    #21946389 - 07/15/15 08:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Its funny how the original thread title "fuck the morbidly obese people" really meant "have sex with morbidly obese people" and the new thread  title "love the morbidly obese people " basically means the same thing.



U never changed the thread title.:wtf: I'm changing it back though.



Nvm, it says some people replied thtgehe thread title "love the morbidly obese people". Anyone who respknded to that thread is fucking delusional amd should make their own thread. I'm at work right now, so i don't have time to make much of a response right now, but i have a lot to say for the obese lovers.


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #21946399 - 07/15/15 08:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I believe that unlike racism and sexism and heterosexism, anti-fat sentiment is largely appropriate and deserved. In 90+ percent of cases, being obese means being both greedy and lazy. Being fat is a morally bad thing in most cases. It should  be shamed. You get too fat by eating too much of the wrong things and not exercising enough, and being obese is in every way bad for you and society. As long as people in the world are starving, being obese is morally abhorrent. It means you are taking more then your fair share of the world`s resources.




you're discriminating against fat people, its unfair to judge them as a whole and therefor its unfair to shame them.  Shame an individual based on an individuals choices that you KNOW, don't make assumptions, Because everything you mentioned can be the very opposite in a fat person and they are still fat.

Also as i mentioned in another recent fat thread, fat people are evolutionary more advanced than skinny people, they shouldn't be shamed, they should be praised for having superior genetics.  There bodys are highly efficient at using food and thats one of the reasons they are fat in most cases.  So if they curbed their diet, or already have, that means they are eating less and storing MORE energy which from a biologic sense is vastly superior to you fat shaming skinny dudes who would die in a week during the apocolypse



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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #21946404 - 07/15/15 08:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'll never understand how somebody can get so fat...


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    #21946484 - 07/15/15 09:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I wish I could drive right up to a fat person on a fork lift and just pick them off the ground

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Re: Fucking morbidly obese people [Re: Moonshoe]
    #21946588 - 07/15/15 09:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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ive said this before, that parents of obese children should be charged with child abuse.




Yep.


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Lets go shame women for being raped, that will do them some good!




That's not a fair comparison, purely an attempt at 'shock value'..
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If you could choose a society of 100 people to found a human colony on a new planet, would you choose 100 obese people, or 100 fit and strong and healthy people?

Obviously you would choose 100 fit and strong and healthy people, and zero obese people, all else being equal




I don't know man, there's some pretty smart fat people out there that can think outside the box.  In your hypothetical scenario the only answer is to sit down and interview each person, likely resulting in a mix when you finalize that bottom line.  And what's it matter if they're fat?  They'll be skinny soon enough because we'll be on rations and everyone' pulling their weight or going on a swim..

This PC, everyone is equal bullshit has to stop.  It's not equal, none of this is equal, NOTHING IS EQUAL!!

Every fucking argument that drops through here is nothing but generalizations and statistics... fuck that.  There's so many factors and elements that are involved in any one scenario, you're only fooling your fucking self...  scenarios change inside any one individual through time... you can't summarize any fucking group of anything as a whole...

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Re: Fucking morbidly obese people [Re: LSDreams]
    #21946618 - 07/15/15 10:06 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Or just dont eat as much? Obviously our current system isnt the way nature intended it to be. Hunting and gathering is the way its meant to be, and we should be doing everything possible to mimic this natural method.





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Re: Fucking morbidly obese people [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21946642 - 07/15/15 10:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I just summarized pub debates as a whole...:datass:


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Re: Fucking morbidly obese people [Re: Amanita86]
    #21946821 - 07/15/15 11:06 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i don't really understand outright hating fat people. there are a lot worse things to be.


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Re: Fucking morbidly obese people [Re: millzy]
    #21946851 - 07/15/15 11:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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i don't really understand outright hating fat people. there are a lot worse things to be.



Its the laziness of the lady that pisses me off more than anything. She has the ability to walk, sends a kid to get the cart, who clearly isnt capable of operating it since the instant she hopped on it she broke the fucking door, and almost got hit by the cars in the parking lot. On top of that she has three kids pushing her into the store.

I don't care what anyone says, morbid obesity has nothing to do with genetics, nature, or any of that shit. You had warning signs before you forfeited the ability to walk, you knew it was coming, and you still stuffed your face.

I apologize for offending people, as i know i am right now, but you have to draw a line at some point. Fuck morbid obesity. If you can still walk, then your ok with me, if you can't jog, your ok with me. Hell im skinny as fuck and can't jog for shit, btbut i still do shit for myself, i still walk, and i don't treat grocery stores like fucking bumper cars.

Get off your ass, and skip lunch for a change. It won't kill you.


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Re: Fucking morbidly obese people [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #21946926 - 07/15/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I probabaly would have lost my shit when she nailed that door..lol


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Re: Fucking morbidly obese people [Re: kakashi68]
    #21946950 - 07/15/15 11:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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makes me so angry when you see someone SO FUCKING FAT that they cant actually walk.




reminds me of homer simpson when he ate himself into disability.


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: sprinkles]
    #21947080 - 07/15/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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the obese lovers.




no, not the obese lovers...the sensible who are pointing out the slippery slope you're on.


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21947131 - 07/15/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Letting you house fall into ruin and mould and mildew and letting it collapse and letting your lawn turn to weeds and brambles is bad for your whole neighbourhood and is lazy and wrong.

Similarly letting your body get corpulent and fat and decayed and useless and letting yourself become helpless and sick because of over-indulgence is bad for your whole family and community and a drain on the entire society, its morally wrong.

Smoking is a huge drain on the health system, makes you smell bad, and contaminates your environment and can make people around you sick. It is morally wrong.

Alcoholism can make you dangerous, violent, crazy and sick, and can lead to injuries and deaths and accidents of all kinds. It is morally wrong.

Obesity, alcoholism and smoking are also mental illnesses and diseases but they are also largely self-inflicted, chosen behaviours. Yes they are addictions, but yes they also have a moral and ethical element.

These people need help and treatment but they should never be encouraged or supported in their lifestyles of excess, disease and morbidity, and these states should be understood as undesirable and not ethically acceptable as lifestyles.


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Re: Fucking morbidly obese people [Re: I_was_the_walrus]
    #21947300 - 07/15/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Or just dont eat as much? Obviously our current system isnt the way nature intended it to be. Hunting and gathering is the way its meant to be, and we should be doing everything possible to mimic this natural method.




UM.  that's a really problematic statement because  there are a ton of people that have conditions that literally violate the law of thermodynamics and they stay fat even if they eat 700 calories a day. It's really insensitive and fat phobic(which is literally on par with racism and sexism, btw) for you to just say things like "Eat Less". Also, you just totally triggered me, so maybe you should check your privilege, asshole.



just kidding, I agree.



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Obviously our current system isnt the way nature intended it to be.




Evolution is the way nature intended us to be. Our technology and society are evolving us into gross fat fucks. We will soon do away with ourselves. The earth goes on as it has for billions of years.

Nothing to see here folks.



Making things easier isnt really evolution in my eyes. Making things as accessible as they are now seems to be digression in the evolution chain.

Also let us not forget that balancing out every aspect of our lives is a key principle for everything.


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Re: Fucking morbidly obese people [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21947340 - 07/15/15 01:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Or just dont eat as much? Obviously our current system isnt the way nature intended it to be. Hunting and gathering is the way its meant to be, and we should be doing everything possible to mimic this natural method.





you're right, let's bring back small pox, raping, pillaging and genocide



:lolwut: i said we need to mimic the practice of hunting and gathering... not digress into an uncivilized primitive way of life.


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: Moonshoe]
    #21947919 - 07/15/15 03:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Letting you house fall into ruin and mould and mildew and letting it collapse and letting your lawn turn to weeds and brambles is bad for your whole neighbourhood and is lazy and wrong.

Similarly letting your body get corpulent and fat and decayed and useless and letting yourself become helpless and sick because of over-indulgence is bad for your whole family and community and a drain on the entire society, its morally wrong.

Smoking is a huge drain on the health system, makes you smell bad, and contaminates your environment and can make people around you sick. It is morally wrong.

Alcoholism can make you dangerous, violent, crazy and sick, and can lead to injuries and deaths and accidents of all kinds. It is morally wrong.

Obesity, alcoholism and smoking are also mental illnesses and diseases but they are also largely self-inflicted, chosen behaviours. Yes they are addictions, but yes they also have a moral and ethical element.

These people need help and treatment but they should never be encouraged or supported in their lifestyles of excess, disease and morbidity, and these states should be understood as undesirable and not ethically acceptable as lifestyles.



they aren't.


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21948072 - 07/15/15 03:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Fatty fat fats re icky


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: Moonshoe]
    #21948259 - 07/15/15 04:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Its the laziness of the lady that pisses me off more than anything. She has the ability to walk, sends a kid to get the cart, who clearly isnt capable of operating it since the instant she hopped on it she broke the fucking door, and almost got hit by the cars in the parking lot. On top of that she has three kids pushing her into the store.




perhaps you just have a problem with laziness and/or obnoxious people. anyone in a scooter who didn't really need it in tightly packed environment (like a grocery store) would annoy the piss out of me.

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I don't care what anyone says, morbid obesity has nothing to do with genetics, nature, or any of that shit. You had warning signs before you forfeited the ability to walk, you knew it was coming, and you still stuffed your face.




generally, i agree, but it's not that cut and dried. there are certainly people out there who are obese for factors beyond their behavior.

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Letting you house fall into ruin and mould and mildew and letting it collapse and letting your lawn turn to weeds and brambles is bad for your whole neighbourhood and is lazy and wrong.

Similarly letting your body get corpulent and fat and decayed and useless and letting yourself become helpless and sick because of over-indulgence is bad for your whole family and community and a drain on the entire society, its morally wrong.

Smoking is a huge drain on the health system, makes you smell bad, and contaminates your environment and can make people around you sick. It is morally wrong.

Alcoholism can make you dangerous, violent, crazy and sick, and can lead to injuries and deaths and accidents of all kinds. It is morally wrong.

Obesity, alcoholism and smoking are also mental illnesses and diseases but they are also largely self-inflicted, chosen behaviours. Yes they are addictions, but yes they also have a moral and ethical element.

These people need help and treatment but they should never be encouraged or supported in their lifestyles of excess, disease and morbidity, and these states should be understood as undesirable and not ethically acceptable as lifestyles.




i don't think it's as useful to reduce obesity to its moral dimensions as much as it may be for not taking care of your house, smoking and substance abuse. for one, the "drain on the entire society" line of argumentation seems to stem from a broad underlying assumption that all obese people are unable to contribute to family and public life simply because they are obese, which is, on its face, patently false. it also seems to draw on an even less true assumption that all obese people are dependent on socialized programs rather than privatized healthcare, not to mention the assumption that all obese people are obese to the point of being disabled.

moreover, your analogies to obesity itself present false equivalence. needing to lose weight - even really really needing to lose weight - just does not fall in the same vicinity as letting your house fall into disrepair, which affects surrounding property values as well as other households themselves (e.g. the spread of pests, termites, the presence of possibly venomous snakes in severely unkempt lawns etc.). neither does it come close to the way smoking and substance addiction ravages families. obesity is certainly a serious problem but let's not get crazy here, with all due respect.


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: millzy]
    #21948270 - 07/15/15 04:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Moonshoe tends to be overly proselytizing in his philosophical ramblings.


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: millzy]
    #21948279 - 07/15/15 04:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I still don't see genetics taking you so far that you can't walk anymore. Sure genetics might make it a total bitch to lose any weight, and they might make you hella overweight. But what i consider morbid obesity? Genetics got you started and you just didn't fight or even try to help yourself.


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #21948282 - 07/15/15 04:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Can anyone explain to me why some people are responding to thread title "love the morbidly obese people?"


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #21948292 - 07/15/15 04:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Genetics got you started and you just didn't fight or even try to help yourself.




same with your drug habits.


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21948308 - 07/15/15 04:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I still don't see genetics taking you so far that you can't walk anymore. Sure genetics might make it a total bitch to lose any weight, and they might make you hella overweight. But what i consider morbid obesity? Genetics got you started and you just didn't fight or even try to help yourself.




yeah, i don't know that much about genetic obesity so i won't offer any further comment aside from what i already have. but i would add that, as mentioned above, most obese people are not confined to their beds on the verge of death. you're talking about a very, very small minority.


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21948310 - 07/15/15 04:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I do believe that there are some out there who are victims of poor genetics and/or really weak metabolism

That said, the vast majority just don't have any willpower, and then you combine that with being lazy, and well, you have obesity

I love eating and could stuff my fucking face all motherfucking day if there were no consequences...but there are consequences, so I try my best to make good choices when I'm eating and I work out regularly

nothing against fat people at all, but I really don't want to be one of these 350 plus pound motherfuckers at the grocery store who wobble their way down the aisles like a penguin and are huffing for air like they just ran the Boston Marathon after making the walk from the grocery store front entrance sliding doors to their car in the parking lot


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21948983 - 07/15/15 07:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Genetics got you started and you just didn't fight or even try to help yourself.




same with your drug habits.



At least my drug habits haven't left me to the mercy of supermarkets providing me a hoverround anywhere i go. At least my drug habits dont have me requiring my family to push me around the supermaket once i get there.


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #21949057 - 07/15/15 07:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

yeah, at least, but you know....


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21949097 - 07/15/15 07:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Fat genetics and poor parenting are the main reasons how people end up being overweight early in life.  Once overweight as a child it becomes difficult to over come later in life. Some people just never develop sound eating and exercise habits.


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #21949190 - 07/15/15 08:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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At least my drug habits haven't left me to the mercy of supermarkets providing me a hoverround anywhere i go. At least my drug habits dont have me requiring my family to push me around the supermaket once i get there.




yah they push you around hospitals instead :highfive:


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    #21949262 - 07/15/15 08:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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At least my drug habits haven't left me to the mercy of supermarkets providing me a hoverround anywhere i go. At least my drug habits dont have me requiring my family to push me around the supermaket once i get there.




yah they push you around hospitals instead :highfive:



You sure I've been to a hospital?


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #21949278 - 07/15/15 08:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

not everyone's obesity causes them to go to the hospital either. :shrug: i'm not defending an unhealthy lifestyle but i think hating fat people is quite frankly odd.


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    #21949352 - 07/15/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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At least my drug habits haven't left me to the mercy of supermarkets providing me a hoverround anywhere i go. At least my drug habits dont have me requiring my family to push me around the supermaket once i get there.




yah they push you around hospitals instead :highfive:



You sure I've been to a hospital?




are you sure all fat people need pushed around?  i swear the IQ level on the shroomery goes down every day


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    #21949397 - 07/15/15 09:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Blinded by hatred and ignorance. Sad.:sad:


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    #21949498 - 07/15/15 09:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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At least my drug habits haven't left me to the mercy of supermarkets providing me a hoverround anywhere i go. At least my drug habits dont have me requiring my family to push me around the supermaket once i get there.




yah they push you around hospitals instead :highfive:



You sure I've been to a hospital?




are you sure all fat people need pushed around?  i swear the IQ level on the shroomery goes down every day



No i don't, as ive said like ten fucking times in this thread. I have no problem with fat people. I have a problem with people who are to fat to walk, or use obesity as a handicap to take thw electronic carts at the front of the store.

God i swear the iq on the shroomery drops faster tham than pounds of a morbidly obese person.


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    #21949504 - 07/15/15 09:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

and like i said alot of fat people arn't just fat, they have medical problems that CAUSED THEM TO BECOME MORBIDLY OBESE, dumbass.  So you are talking about normal fat people in the same dam light.  I swear the IQ on the shroomery drops faster every day


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    #21949594 - 07/15/15 10:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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and like i said alot of fat people arn't just fat, they have medical problems that CAUSED THEM TO BECOME MORBIDLY OBESE, dumbass.  So you are talking about normal fat people in the same dam light.  I swear the IQ on the shroomery drops faster every day



And lile i said before, genetics play a role, but isn't the cause. I find it hard to believe that someone with proper diet and exercise, still continually gains weight to the point they can't walk. Im done arguing in circles with you.


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    #21949620 - 07/15/15 10:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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and like i said alot of fat people arn't just fat, they have medical problems that CAUSED THEM TO BECOME MORBIDLY OBESE, dumbass.  So you are talking about normal fat people in the same dam light.  I swear the IQ on the shroomery drops faster every day






It is literally just burning more calories then you consume, energy in, energy out. Fail to do that, you gain weight. Yes SOME people do have medical conditions, but none of those break the rule of calories in and calories out.
Metabolism differs, but research shows only by about 300 calories.

The fact of the matter is that people don't know what proper portion sizes are anymore, and are getting more and more sedentary.

Weight loss is simple. It's not necessarily easy, but the law of thermodynamics applies to everything, including this. People don't get fat on air.


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #21949626 - 07/15/15 10:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

its in circles because you're to hard headed to listen.  Proper diet and exercise you CAN still gain weight, even then like i mentioned before........again, you are talking about PERFECT circumstances to lose weight, you are talking about doing shit that you yourself would never have the willpower or TIME to do.


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: makaveli8x8] * 1
    #21949636 - 07/15/15 10:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

your naturally skinny, and go to the gym to pick up chicks or gay dudes and think oh man those fat people they don't do this cuss they are lazy.  when your at the gym working out you're not even doing half the shit a fat person would have to do to lose weight.  you don't even realize being fat is working out, thats why they are tired all the time, they are lifting weights every single time they move.  thats why if you know anything about body building you would know fat people put on muscle super quick, its in that arnold workout book.

then with diet, you cheat all the fucking time and think your eating healthy, a diet that wouldn't make a fat person lose weight, you're a fucking retard.

i can't have 1 fucking cup of coffee a day without it preventing me from losing weight. Then i switched to every sunday and it still fucked it up.  you're a retard, period.


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #21949651 - 07/15/15 10:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

But those of us who think being fat is morally wrong are referring to those who are fat because they over eat and eat shitty food excessively like donuts and cakes and pepsi and continue to do so even long after they begin getting fat, and refuse to exercise, and generally slide into obesity as a direct result of gluttony and sloth.

Obviously, if people get fat from factors totally beyond their control, then that is not morally wrong obviously, but if people get fat because they are greedy and eat too much food and refuse to exercise, that is morally wrong, although perhaps not severely.

But just because people do something immoral like getting morbidly obese doesn't mean I hate them. everyone does some morally bad things myself definitely included, and being morbidly obese doesn't make you evil or anything, it just makes you not as good a person as you would be if you were not morbidly obese, assuming that your obesity is the result of your own lifestyle choices and not some disease or condition beyond your control.

I believe the vast majority of obesity is the result of lifestyle choices and not diseases and conditions over which people have no control. In the majority of cases it is diet and exercise that is too blame, and those are things people can control.

In cases where children become obese, it is the parents who are doing something morally wrong, and in this case it is a pretty serious moral wrong, far worse then allowing yourself to become obese is making your children obese.

Obesity is not only a medical issue, it is also a lifestyle issue with moral implications.


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: Moonshoe]
    #21949660 - 07/15/15 10:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

but thats where my problem lies and why we are having this argument, the OP isn't making that distinction.  He sees a fat obiese person and immediately goes into fat shaming mode, and created this thread about it.

He's the problem with society, he infact has the mindset that creates all of our stupid laws as well, sticking his nose in other peoples buisness for no reason, discriminating, which forces politicians to listen to these retards and write laws so they shutup.

the OP clearly doesn't give a shit how or why a person becomes obese, he doesn't care about the individual story on how or why they ended up that way.

he prefers to put them all in a group, like gays, rapists, child molesters, blacks, ect, he's a discriminator against fat people


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #21949661 - 07/15/15 10:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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its in circles because you're to hard headed to listen.  Proper diet and exercise you CAN still gain weight, even then like i mentioned before........again, you are talking about PERFECT circumstances to lose weight, you are talking about doing shit that you yourself would never have the willpower or TIME to do.






No. dude.

If you eat under you TDEE then you WILL lose weight. Did I say it was easy? No. Did I say there weren't problems with food and lifestyle that are ingrained in our society that go beyond the surface? No.

The LAW OF PHYSICS literally dictates that losing weight is calories in vs calories out. You're arguing with emotions, I'm arguing with the laws of nature.


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: pirate-blues]
    #21949678 - 07/15/15 10:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

no you are arguing perfect circumstances, you say lose weight go on a diet, exercise.  oh its easy, yes u are making it sound easy.  The world isn't perfect, shit isn't easy, you are defending the OP's side with those comments which then means you agree with fat shaming.  That is what this thread is about, that is why i made my comments.

Its not as simple as oh calorie in and calorie out, seriously get real, you are just simplifying it.  People get gastric bypass and still fail.

not to mention atkins diet has nothing to do with calories.  Not that you can't combine diets but, just making a point that it really isn't as simple as just calories.


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: pirate-blues]
    #21949682 - 07/15/15 10:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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makaveli8x8 said:
its in circles because you're to hard headed to listen.  Proper diet and exercise you CAN still gain weight, even then like i mentioned before........again, you are talking about PERFECT circumstances to lose weight, you are talking about doing shit that you yourself would never have the willpower or TIME to do.






No. dude.

If you eat under you TDEE then you WILL lose weight. Did I say it was easy? No. Did I say there weren't problems with food and lifestyle that are ingrained in our society that go beyond the surface? No.

The LAW OF PHYSICS literally dictates that losing weight is calories in vs calories out. You're arguing with emotions, I'm arguing with the laws of nature.





:facepalm:

its a bitch to survive on 1500 calories a day when you have to carry around 75 or more pounds of weight all the time

try wearing a 20lb weight around your neck, 15 pound weights around each ankle, and 12 pounds on each wrist.

then go clean your house and see how it feels like. you dont even need to go outside to feel what its like.

now think of trying to survive on 1500 calories a day and trying to go about your life, working, going out, doing all of the shit that life requires while still only taking in the bare ammount of calories and nutrients


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: Adolin]
    #21949695 - 07/15/15 10:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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makaveli8x8 said:
its in circles because you're to hard headed to listen.  Proper diet and exercise you CAN still gain weight, even then like i mentioned before........again, you are talking about PERFECT circumstances to lose weight, you are talking about doing shit that you yourself would never have the willpower or TIME to do.






No. dude.

If you eat under you TDEE then you WILL lose weight. Did I say it was easy? No. Did I say there weren't problems with food and lifestyle that are ingrained in our society that go beyond the surface? No.

The LAW OF PHYSICS literally dictates that losing weight is calories in vs calories out. You're arguing with emotions, I'm arguing with the laws of nature.





:facepalm:

its a bitch to survive on 1500 calories a day when you have to carry around 75 or more pounds of weight all the time

try wearing a 20lb weight around your neck, 15 pound weights around each ankle, and 12 pounds on each wrist.

then go clean your house and see how it feels like. you dont even need to go outside to feel what its like. now think of trying to survive on 1500 calories a day and trying to go about your life like that





Then your total daily estimated expenditure increases, and therefore you need to increase your calorie intake to avoid losing weight.

...you literally just proved what I was saying :facepalm: :facepalm:

My TDEE is about 1800 calories and I'm a 5'4 moderately active female. If I eat more I gain weight(and then my TDEE then goes up in order to maintain the weight I've become), that's just the way it is unless my activity rate increases.


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: pirate-blues]
    #21949705 - 07/15/15 10:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

increasing your calorie intake will cause you to either gain weight or not lose it.

you have to consume huge ammounts of energy to lose weight like that.


you might have lost 10 pounds once and fit into your cute little dress, but losing and keeping off 75 pounds requires years of dedication and exhaustive work. and its rediculously easy to get it back once youve had it.

you seriously underestimate how difficult it is to lose weight once its gotten even a bit out of control. and again, you give no consideration to the consequences which cause someone to become, or stay, overweight

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..you literally just proved what I was saying :facepalm: :facepalm:




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    #21949711 - 07/15/15 10:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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no you are arguing perfect circumstances, you say lose weight go on a diet, exercise.  oh its easy, yes u are making it sound easy.  The world isn't perfect, shit isn't easy, you are defending the OP's side with those comments which then means you agree with fat shaming.  That is what this thread is about, that is why i made my comments.

Its not as simple as oh calorie in and calorie out, seriously get real, you are just simplifying it.  People get gastric bypass and still fail.

not to mention atkins diet has nothing to do with calories.  Not that you can't combine diets but, just making a point that it really isn't as simple as just calories.






EVERYTHING has to do with calories. Yes, there's some discrepancy from person to person, but in the end it all comes down to calories. You could eat a shitload of healthy food, or abide by the no-carb rule religiously and if it's over your TDEE you will gain weight.
You could eat nothing but donuts and if it's under your TDEE you will lose weight.

If you're arguing that it doesn't and you still have failed to lose weight, then maybe you should re-assess your views. I challenge you to go online, calculate your TDEE and eat 500 calories less than that. And by that I mean weigh and count everything you eat, people research has shown people are terrible at estimating portion sizes, then wait three months and see if you don't lose weight.

People with gastric bypass fail because they have and addiction, and continue to eat more and slowly stretch their stomach out to it's original size.

Again, I don't hate fat people. I commend anyone who is trying to live healthier, and I don't look at fat people in public and shake my head to tsk tsk them unless they're acting ridiculous, but I think fat-acceptance is dangerous and we need to be tackling it head on.


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: Adolin]
    #21949718 - 07/15/15 10:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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increasing your calorie intake will cause you to either gain weight or not lose it.

you have to consume huge ammounts of energy to lose weight like that.


you might have lost 10 pounds once and fit into your cute little dress, but losing and keeping off 75 pounds requires years of dedication and exhaustive work. and its rediculously easy to get it back once youve had it.

you seriously underestimate how difficult it is to lose weight once its gotten even a bit out of control. and again, you give no consideration to the consequences which cause someone to become, or stay, overweight

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..you literally just proved what I was saying :facepalm: :facepalm:




:justno:







Once again, I did not say it's easy.

I said it was simple.


Diets don't work, you've got to completely change the way you look at food. People go on diets, lose a shitload of weight, think they're done and go back to the way they ate, uuuuhhh no shit they gain the weight back.


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: pirate-blues]
    #21949727 - 07/15/15 10:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

very, very few people who go one diets lose a 'shitload' of weight


only something like 3-5% of dieters reach their ideal BMI, and fewer maintain it

and most of those people were only barely overweight in the first place. certainly not obese :cookiemonster:


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #21949729 - 07/15/15 10:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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but thats where my problem lies and why we are having this argument, the OP isn't making that distinction.  He sees a fat obiese person and immediately goes into fat shaming mode, and created this thread about it.

He's the problem with society, he infact has the mindset that creates all of our stupid laws as well, sticking his nose in other peoples buisness for no reason, discriminating, which forces politicians to listen to these retards and write laws so they shutup.

the OP clearly doesn't give a shit how or why a person becomes obese, he doesn't care about the individual story on how or why they ended up that way.

he prefers to put them all in a group, like gays, rapists, child molesters, blacks, ect, he's a discriminator against fat people



Finally you get my point. Lets lock up all the fat people, black people asians, poltical dissidents, drug users, rapists, trannies and put them behind bars where they belong.:rolleyes:

To your comment earlier about proper diet and exercise and people still gain weight. If you had a proper diet than you wouldn't be gaining weight.(fat at least) You may.be following a particular diet, but everyone's body is different and reacts to different foods different. It is up to the individual to fine tune these diets and exercise, and work with a doctor or physical trainer to get the results you really want.

I never said anything about making up laws against fat people. I honestly think literally everything, bad and good should be legal, so we can see people for how good or awful they really are. It should be legal for me to walk into a grocery store and take one of those carts from someone who needs it more than i do. That doesn't mean i should DO it, but i should have the option to be as horrible as i want, because after all this countries free.

If i were to steal one of these carts from a disabled person, i would like it to be ok for society to shame me for it, instead of everybody stand around quietly because they are to worried they might hurt my feelings. This pc bullshit really is getting out of hand.

To the other person who said to try wearing weights to walk in their shoes. I would figure the instant i start to gain weight, and it becomes difficult to do everything in a day, i would start working to avoid the issue, before it becomes impossible, wouldn't wait till i gain a hundred more pounds then do something once it's to late.


I also didn't really make this thread to fat shame either, i made it to bitch about people hogging these carts and making other people go out of their way to help cater to other peoples laziness.


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    #21949738 - 07/15/15 10:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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very, very few people who go one diets lose a 'shitload' of weight


only something like 3-5% of dieters reach their ideal BMI, and fewer maintain it

and most of those people were only barely overweight in the first place. certainly not obese :cookiemonster:






Can you provide a reliable source for that info?


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #21949748 - 07/15/15 10:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I also didn't really make this thread to fat shame either, i made it to bitch about people hogging these carts and making other people go out of their way to help cater to other peoples laziness.




people who are legitimately handicapped and can't walk already have wheelchairs, motorized or not

those electric cards are meant for people who have trouble walking, but arent actually wheelchair bound. this goes for people with respiratory, circulatory problems, arthritis, and you guessed it, fattie mcfat fats. among other things.

most people with respiratory and circulatory problems brought that on themselves from smoking, or working in shitty industries anyways. so its their fault, right? same goes with arthritus. maybe if that dude wasnt stupid enough to play football in college, he wouldn't need a cart?




i know that sounds ridiculous, but thats because it is.

my point is that 'legitimately handicapped' people cant get into stores without a chair anyways, so the in-store chairs are obviously not for them


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: pirate-blues]
    #21949765 - 07/15/15 10:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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very, very few people who go one diets lose a 'shitload' of weight


only something like 3-5% of dieters reach their ideal BMI, and fewer maintain it

and most of those people were only barely overweight in the first place. certainly not obese :cookiemonster:






Can you provide a reliable source for that info?




i'm not going to get into what is and is not reliable information in this thread.

not gonna bother arguing with fat-haters :lol: nobody is gonna change your minds, certainly not me. so please, just continue complaining about fatties


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: Adolin]
    #21949784 - 07/15/15 11:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Then there's no use continuing this argument if it's going to be dictated by feels and feels alone.

Again, I don't hate fat people. I think as a society, we're sick. I think our children are suffering from uneducated food choices, lack of access to proper nutrition(and again education), and I think that when you crunch the numbers and look at the consequences being morbidly obese takes on someone(the rate of heart disease, diabetes, etc, and how much of a contributor it is to our population's mortality rate), as well as the increased burden on our already burdened healthcare system...it's crazy to encourage the trend of obesity.

No we shouldn't hate fat people, but we should be trying to reverse this cultural trend.


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    #21949806 - 07/15/15 11:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

yeah, no one is saying that we shouldn't. so why do people keep insisting it's being said, when it isn't?


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    #21949837 - 07/15/15 11:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I bet you will change your tune and not judge a person if you get end stage liver disease and your legs and stomach are swollen up with water and you can't walk across the parking lot--and people think you are fat.


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    #21949854 - 07/15/15 11:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I also didn't really make this thread to fat shame either, i made it to bitch about people hogging these carts and making other people go out of their way to help cater to other peoples laziness.



hogging the carts? aren't they a legitimate use for someone who is obese? i suppose i see your moral dilemma concerning the fair use concerning patron's, but i'm sure the store can supply enough.

it's the store's problem. not society.

and you don't think people should be able to be altruistic out of their own free will? this is not a moral issue. this is not morals. this is practically speaking nationalism.

you're not a moral authority. trust me.


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    #21949855 - 07/15/15 11:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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yeah, no one is saying that we shouldn't. so why do people keep insisting it's being said, when it isn't?






Because people keep insisting that op(and anyone who brings up the health issues related to obesity and the societal implications and costs) just outright hate fat people, and that isn't being said.


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    #21949861 - 07/15/15 11:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

see above for my concern with OP's sentiment's.

i have no qualm's with an obese person seeing a doctor and dieticians.


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    #21949925 - 07/15/15 11:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm pretty judgemental but I really fucking hate it when I get an obese client who wants me to do a DEEP TISSUE massage. LOOK IN THE FUCKING MIRROR!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DO YOU THINK I CAN DO A DEEP TISSUE ON YOUR FUCKING LARD ASS???? DUDE YOU HAVE LIKE 4-6 INCHES OF FAT ON TOP OF THE MUSCLE!!! IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO DO DEEP TISSUE ON YOUR FUCKING FAT ASS!!!

Bitch rant is over.

To an extent, genetics play a role, but go to the fucking gym, jesus fucking christ.


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    #21949956 - 07/15/15 11:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

LOL, look at you vent. awww...customer's suck don't they?


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    #21949973 - 07/15/15 11:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That shit combined with physical therapy was the only thing that really got me feeling normal after multiple horseback riding injuries(and visits to chiropractors and orthopedic docs), but dayum, it REALLY hurts. The words alone literally just made me cringe.
Seems like it's probably quite strenuous job for the massage therapist to begin with, too.


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