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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: pirate-blues]
    #21949678 - 07/15/15 10:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

no you are arguing perfect circumstances, you say lose weight go on a diet, exercise.  oh its easy, yes u are making it sound easy.  The world isn't perfect, shit isn't easy, you are defending the OP's side with those comments which then means you agree with fat shaming.  That is what this thread is about, that is why i made my comments.

Its not as simple as oh calorie in and calorie out, seriously get real, you are just simplifying it.  People get gastric bypass and still fail.

not to mention atkins diet has nothing to do with calories.  Not that you can't combine diets but, just making a point that it really isn't as simple as just calories.


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: pirate-blues]
    #21949682 - 07/15/15 10:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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its in circles because you're to hard headed to listen.  Proper diet and exercise you CAN still gain weight, even then like i mentioned before........again, you are talking about PERFECT circumstances to lose weight, you are talking about doing shit that you yourself would never have the willpower or TIME to do.






No. dude.

If you eat under you TDEE then you WILL lose weight. Did I say it was easy? No. Did I say there weren't problems with food and lifestyle that are ingrained in our society that go beyond the surface? No.

The LAW OF PHYSICS literally dictates that losing weight is calories in vs calories out. You're arguing with emotions, I'm arguing with the laws of nature.





:facepalm:

its a bitch to survive on 1500 calories a day when you have to carry around 75 or more pounds of weight all the time

try wearing a 20lb weight around your neck, 15 pound weights around each ankle, and 12 pounds on each wrist.

then go clean your house and see how it feels like. you dont even need to go outside to feel what its like.

now think of trying to survive on 1500 calories a day and trying to go about your life, working, going out, doing all of the shit that life requires while still only taking in the bare ammount of calories and nutrients


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: Adolin]
    #21949695 - 07/15/15 10:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Gresh said:
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pirate-blues said:
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makaveli8x8 said:
its in circles because you're to hard headed to listen.  Proper diet and exercise you CAN still gain weight, even then like i mentioned before........again, you are talking about PERFECT circumstances to lose weight, you are talking about doing shit that you yourself would never have the willpower or TIME to do.






No. dude.

If you eat under you TDEE then you WILL lose weight. Did I say it was easy? No. Did I say there weren't problems with food and lifestyle that are ingrained in our society that go beyond the surface? No.

The LAW OF PHYSICS literally dictates that losing weight is calories in vs calories out. You're arguing with emotions, I'm arguing with the laws of nature.





:facepalm:

its a bitch to survive on 1500 calories a day when you have to carry around 75 or more pounds of weight all the time

try wearing a 20lb weight around your neck, 15 pound weights around each ankle, and 12 pounds on each wrist.

then go clean your house and see how it feels like. you dont even need to go outside to feel what its like. now think of trying to survive on 1500 calories a day and trying to go about your life like that





Then your total daily estimated expenditure increases, and therefore you need to increase your calorie intake to avoid losing weight.

...you literally just proved what I was saying :facepalm: :facepalm:

My TDEE is about 1800 calories and I'm a 5'4 moderately active female. If I eat more I gain weight(and then my TDEE then goes up in order to maintain the weight I've become), that's just the way it is unless my activity rate increases.


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: pirate-blues]
    #21949705 - 07/15/15 10:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

increasing your calorie intake will cause you to either gain weight or not lose it.

you have to consume huge ammounts of energy to lose weight like that.


you might have lost 10 pounds once and fit into your cute little dress, but losing and keeping off 75 pounds requires years of dedication and exhaustive work. and its rediculously easy to get it back once youve had it.

you seriously underestimate how difficult it is to lose weight once its gotten even a bit out of control. and again, you give no consideration to the consequences which cause someone to become, or stay, overweight

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..you literally just proved what I was saying :facepalm: :facepalm:




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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #21949711 - 07/15/15 10:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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no you are arguing perfect circumstances, you say lose weight go on a diet, exercise.  oh its easy, yes u are making it sound easy.  The world isn't perfect, shit isn't easy, you are defending the OP's side with those comments which then means you agree with fat shaming.  That is what this thread is about, that is why i made my comments.

Its not as simple as oh calorie in and calorie out, seriously get real, you are just simplifying it.  People get gastric bypass and still fail.

not to mention atkins diet has nothing to do with calories.  Not that you can't combine diets but, just making a point that it really isn't as simple as just calories.






EVERYTHING has to do with calories. Yes, there's some discrepancy from person to person, but in the end it all comes down to calories. You could eat a shitload of healthy food, or abide by the no-carb rule religiously and if it's over your TDEE you will gain weight.
You could eat nothing but donuts and if it's under your TDEE you will lose weight.

If you're arguing that it doesn't and you still have failed to lose weight, then maybe you should re-assess your views. I challenge you to go online, calculate your TDEE and eat 500 calories less than that. And by that I mean weigh and count everything you eat, people research has shown people are terrible at estimating portion sizes, then wait three months and see if you don't lose weight.

People with gastric bypass fail because they have and addiction, and continue to eat more and slowly stretch their stomach out to it's original size.

Again, I don't hate fat people. I commend anyone who is trying to live healthier, and I don't look at fat people in public and shake my head to tsk tsk them unless they're acting ridiculous, but I think fat-acceptance is dangerous and we need to be tackling it head on.


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: Adolin]
    #21949718 - 07/15/15 10:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Gresh said:
increasing your calorie intake will cause you to either gain weight or not lose it.

you have to consume huge ammounts of energy to lose weight like that.


you might have lost 10 pounds once and fit into your cute little dress, but losing and keeping off 75 pounds requires years of dedication and exhaustive work. and its rediculously easy to get it back once youve had it.

you seriously underestimate how difficult it is to lose weight once its gotten even a bit out of control. and again, you give no consideration to the consequences which cause someone to become, or stay, overweight

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..you literally just proved what I was saying :facepalm: :facepalm:




:justno:







Once again, I did not say it's easy.

I said it was simple.


Diets don't work, you've got to completely change the way you look at food. People go on diets, lose a shitload of weight, think they're done and go back to the way they ate, uuuuhhh no shit they gain the weight back.


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: pirate-blues]
    #21949727 - 07/15/15 10:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

very, very few people who go one diets lose a 'shitload' of weight


only something like 3-5% of dieters reach their ideal BMI, and fewer maintain it

and most of those people were only barely overweight in the first place. certainly not obese :cookiemonster:


Edited by Adolin (07/15/15 10:47 PM)


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #21949729 - 07/15/15 10:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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but thats where my problem lies and why we are having this argument, the OP isn't making that distinction.  He sees a fat obiese person and immediately goes into fat shaming mode, and created this thread about it.

He's the problem with society, he infact has the mindset that creates all of our stupid laws as well, sticking his nose in other peoples buisness for no reason, discriminating, which forces politicians to listen to these retards and write laws so they shutup.

the OP clearly doesn't give a shit how or why a person becomes obese, he doesn't care about the individual story on how or why they ended up that way.

he prefers to put them all in a group, like gays, rapists, child molesters, blacks, ect, he's a discriminator against fat people



Finally you get my point. Lets lock up all the fat people, black people asians, poltical dissidents, drug users, rapists, trannies and put them behind bars where they belong.:rolleyes:

To your comment earlier about proper diet and exercise and people still gain weight. If you had a proper diet than you wouldn't be gaining weight.(fat at least) You may.be following a particular diet, but everyone's body is different and reacts to different foods different. It is up to the individual to fine tune these diets and exercise, and work with a doctor or physical trainer to get the results you really want.

I never said anything about making up laws against fat people. I honestly think literally everything, bad and good should be legal, so we can see people for how good or awful they really are. It should be legal for me to walk into a grocery store and take one of those carts from someone who needs it more than i do. That doesn't mean i should DO it, but i should have the option to be as horrible as i want, because after all this countries free.

If i were to steal one of these carts from a disabled person, i would like it to be ok for society to shame me for it, instead of everybody stand around quietly because they are to worried they might hurt my feelings. This pc bullshit really is getting out of hand.

To the other person who said to try wearing weights to walk in their shoes. I would figure the instant i start to gain weight, and it becomes difficult to do everything in a day, i would start working to avoid the issue, before it becomes impossible, wouldn't wait till i gain a hundred more pounds then do something once it's to late.


I also didn't really make this thread to fat shame either, i made it to bitch about people hogging these carts and making other people go out of their way to help cater to other peoples laziness.


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: Adolin]
    #21949738 - 07/15/15 10:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Gresh said:
very, very few people who go one diets lose a 'shitload' of weight


only something like 3-5% of dieters reach their ideal BMI, and fewer maintain it

and most of those people were only barely overweight in the first place. certainly not obese :cookiemonster:






Can you provide a reliable source for that info?


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #21949748 - 07/15/15 10:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I also didn't really make this thread to fat shame either, i made it to bitch about people hogging these carts and making other people go out of their way to help cater to other peoples laziness.




people who are legitimately handicapped and can't walk already have wheelchairs, motorized or not

those electric cards are meant for people who have trouble walking, but arent actually wheelchair bound. this goes for people with respiratory, circulatory problems, arthritis, and you guessed it, fattie mcfat fats. among other things.

most people with respiratory and circulatory problems brought that on themselves from smoking, or working in shitty industries anyways. so its their fault, right? same goes with arthritus. maybe if that dude wasnt stupid enough to play football in college, he wouldn't need a cart?




i know that sounds ridiculous, but thats because it is.

my point is that 'legitimately handicapped' people cant get into stores without a chair anyways, so the in-store chairs are obviously not for them


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: pirate-blues]
    #21949765 - 07/15/15 10:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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pirate-blues said:
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Gresh said:
very, very few people who go one diets lose a 'shitload' of weight


only something like 3-5% of dieters reach their ideal BMI, and fewer maintain it

and most of those people were only barely overweight in the first place. certainly not obese :cookiemonster:






Can you provide a reliable source for that info?




i'm not going to get into what is and is not reliable information in this thread.

not gonna bother arguing with fat-haters :lol: nobody is gonna change your minds, certainly not me. so please, just continue complaining about fatties


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: Adolin]
    #21949784 - 07/15/15 11:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Then there's no use continuing this argument if it's going to be dictated by feels and feels alone.

Again, I don't hate fat people. I think as a society, we're sick. I think our children are suffering from uneducated food choices, lack of access to proper nutrition(and again education), and I think that when you crunch the numbers and look at the consequences being morbidly obese takes on someone(the rate of heart disease, diabetes, etc, and how much of a contributor it is to our population's mortality rate), as well as the increased burden on our already burdened healthcare system...it's crazy to encourage the trend of obesity.

No we shouldn't hate fat people, but we should be trying to reverse this cultural trend.


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: pirate-blues]
    #21949806 - 07/15/15 11:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

yeah, no one is saying that we shouldn't. so why do people keep insisting it's being said, when it isn't?


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: LuSiD enthusiast] * 3
    #21949837 - 07/15/15 11:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I bet you will change your tune and not judge a person if you get end stage liver disease and your legs and stomach are swollen up with water and you can't walk across the parking lot--and people think you are fat.


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #21949854 - 07/15/15 11:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I also didn't really make this thread to fat shame either, i made it to bitch about people hogging these carts and making other people go out of their way to help cater to other peoples laziness.



hogging the carts? aren't they a legitimate use for someone who is obese? i suppose i see your moral dilemma concerning the fair use concerning patron's, but i'm sure the store can supply enough.

it's the store's problem. not society.

and you don't think people should be able to be altruistic out of their own free will? this is not a moral issue. this is not morals. this is practically speaking nationalism.

you're not a moral authority. trust me.


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21949855 - 07/15/15 11:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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yeah, no one is saying that we shouldn't. so why do people keep insisting it's being said, when it isn't?






Because people keep insisting that op(and anyone who brings up the health issues related to obesity and the societal implications and costs) just outright hate fat people, and that isn't being said.


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: pirate-blues]
    #21949861 - 07/15/15 11:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

see above for my concern with OP's sentiment's.

i have no qualm's with an obese person seeing a doctor and dieticians.


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21949925 - 07/15/15 11:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm pretty judgemental but I really fucking hate it when I get an obese client who wants me to do a DEEP TISSUE massage. LOOK IN THE FUCKING MIRROR!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DO YOU THINK I CAN DO A DEEP TISSUE ON YOUR FUCKING LARD ASS???? DUDE YOU HAVE LIKE 4-6 INCHES OF FAT ON TOP OF THE MUSCLE!!! IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO DO DEEP TISSUE ON YOUR FUCKING FAT ASS!!!

Bitch rant is over.

To an extent, genetics play a role, but go to the fucking gym, jesus fucking christ.


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: occollegeboi]
    #21949956 - 07/15/15 11:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

LOL, look at you vent. awww...customer's suck don't they?


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Re: Love the morbidly obese people [Re: occollegeboi]
    #21949973 - 07/15/15 11:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That shit combined with physical therapy was the only thing that really got me feeling normal after multiple horseback riding injuries(and visits to chiropractors and orthopedic docs), but dayum, it REALLY hurts. The words alone literally just made me cringe.
Seems like it's probably quite strenuous job for the massage therapist to begin with, too.


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