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BarryBurrito
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BarBur's Indoor, Outdoor, Tips, Tricks and What Nots
#21943430 - 07/14/15 06:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hello there everybody, my names Barry Burrito, this is my first post and my first Monotub run. This is all about my indoor monotub cultivation, my experimental outdoor bed and some things I've learned along the way.
I've read through this site for many many hours, mainly because this hobby is a waiting game, so why not check out others' successes and failures. There are many people I could thank for their contribution of invaluable information. Instead I'll just thank the community, Thanks Shroomerites!
This is the way I do it, in no way do you have to follow this process exactly. I took methods from many cultivators to form my own. Many members have their own process, just use what works for you.
Let's get it goin!
I had a total of six tubs, each containing Ecuador.
The Jars -Pressure Cooker -Quart Jar (Widemouth, skinny mouth, doesn't matter) -Polyfill Lid (Use whatever you please) -Solo Cup Wild Bird Seed (WBS) I used good ol' Wally World Seed -Water -Pinch o' gypsum (Crush up some drywall, not needed though)

The Jars Process
-Throw 6.5 quarts of WBS into 5 gal bucket (This ends up being about the perfect amount for 10 jars). -Fill the bucket up with water, run your hand through the seeds and drain, as you drain you will see the sunflower seeds, other seeds and other crap float out. This is good (I did manage to colonize the seeds that I drained out, I wouldn't recommend, just throw em out for the birds). -Repeat the drain a few times, doesn't need to be pristinely rinsed as many will say, just do your best. - After the drain I used a lid with some old screen glued to it to strain most of the water out of the bucket. -Now throw ~10 pinches of gypsum into the WBS and mix. -Grab a solo cup and fill the cup slightly less than full and pour into quart jar (This will make aprrox. 2/3 full jar. Less full jars are easier to break when fully colonized). -Now take some water and fill halfway or slightly less up the WBS. (Take it slow its easy to overfill. Don't use pre-measurements, just fill with some seed and fill halfway up with water, don't over think it). -Put your lid on (I used a 1/4" hole centered stuffed with polyfill, on upside down, easiest way to go. I put it on upside down because it's a hundred times easier for Grain to Grain, the lid won't stick to the jar) -Repeat for how ever many jars you want, I do ten at a time. -Throw some foil over those bad boys and place in PC. -PC @ 15PSI for 90 minutes. -Wait for weight to drop, open PC and shake jars (You can wait a couple hours after weight has dropped to shake, no big deal). -The jars top half will look dry, don't worry the shake will take care of it. -I let them sit overnight to cool and soak up the remaining water. (I leave the foil on the jars) -By morning I've got perfect jars ready to go.


G2G (Grain to Grain)
-Sterilized jars to receive colonized grains. -Colonized Jar -Alcohol towels or alcohol and paper towels -Disinfectant Spray -Shmuv
I used a Shmuv box, It was the best route in my opinion. Glove Boxes are too small and Flowhoods too expensive. I am now an avid fan of it.
I bought an air purifier and a true HEPA filter for it. It MUST be TRUE HEPA 99.99%. I loved the idea of the Shmuv but not it's re-usability, they use large garbage bags. So I bought a coat, suit, sweater protector thing and attached the filter cut some arm holes and BAM!reusable Shmuv for cheap! It also has a zipper for large convenient access. Theres no need to duct tape the protector to the purifier it's positive pressure and the air will force anything away from your sterileish Shmuv.
G2G Process
-Use typical sterile procedures. -Break up colonized jar. -Set up Shmuv (I've used it on high, medium and low any will work. I prefer high. No need to use ionizer). -Wipe all inside surfaces of coat protector (I only did this once when I first bought it then I just sprayed disinfectant). -Wipe purifier down too. Remove HEPA filter and spary disinfectant into the purifiers fan while on and attached to protector. -Let run for 10 minutes. -Clean each jar, including colonized jar to transfer, with alcohol rag remove foil and place in Shmuv. (Some of my polyfill ended up getting wet, I went with it and had no ill effect) -Contrary to popular belief The jar to make transfers does NOT need to be fully colonized. Think about it, how will placing sterilized uncolonized grain into sterilized uncolonized grain have any effect. I've transfered 75% colonized jars just dandy. I believe the reason for the fully colonized thing is more inoculation points but it wasn't a big deal for me. -Loosen all jars and wipe under lip of jars. -When ready loosen colonized jar and wipe lip. (I smell throughout the process from now on for odd odors, if i smell anything swank I end my process. Since the Shmuv is positive pressure you will be able to smell your colonized jar. Another win for the Shmuv). -Remove colonized jar lid competely, place in corner. -Take sterilized grain jar remove lid by twisting and squeezing ring to catch lid and lift (Easier to catch lid with wide mouth jars). -Grab colonized jar and pour some grains into sterilized jar, a couple TBS or so just eyeball. Don't fill completely we need room to shake. Be careful and try not to bump lips of jars. I did several times and had no effect, just try to be careful mane. -Replace lid on sterilized jar and repeat for remaining jars. -Once finished snug up all the lids and remove your empty colonized jar, give it a good wiff. -Remove the now inoculated grain jars and give em all a good shake. -Let colonize until ~30% break and shake for faster colonization times.



How I attach it to the purifier (No duct tape).

Here's everything all laid out.

You can see the slits I cut for my arms under the zipper and stopped off with some duct tape, to prevent further ripping.

Bulk Sub Monotub
I used Damion's simple Coir Tek and a 66qt sterile tub. Size isn't that important just get something close to this. Cut a total of 6 holes. I used 2" holes because thats the saw size I had handy.
My mix for the tubs was simple:
-650grams CoCo Coir (I used a giant brick and had to weigh) -2 quarts Vermiculite (Fine or Coarse doesn't really matter, Ive used both and both did fine) -5-6 quarts spawn -4 quarts water -5 gal Bucket
Bulk Sub Process
-Place the coco and verm in the bucket. -Bring the water to a boil for about 10 minutes. -Pour the boiling water in the bucket put lid on tight and surrounded with a few sweatshirts or towels. -Let soak for a bit, an hour or two, and shake it up (No need to open the lid just shake that thang. Also do NOT shake immediately after pouring water into bucket, I had a lid explode in my face, not cool man. I salvaged it into a WBS screen) -Let it sit for awhile to cool. I wait until morning. Easiest for me because I take showers in the A.M. and I'm all clean for some fun mooshie work.
Spawning
-Spawning is real easy. -Good ol' boy Frank suggests soaking your grains for 10 minutes or so before spawning and I completely agree. Follow his TEK or do what I do. -Break up 5 or 6 100% fully colonized jars (I've used 95% w/o issue and ones with metabolites or myc piss people say) -Remove lids from fully colonized jars fill with cold tap water replace lids and wait 10-15 mins and drain, use the lid to strain the grains. -While I'm waiting for grains to soak I ready the tub. Tape all the holes shut, I prefer packing tape, cheap and sticks really well to plastic. Just remember to fold over a tab for easy removal. I placed a long strip over both side holes. -Grab a large trash bag place it into tub. Pull it down taught over the top of tub. -Now remove jar lids remove bulk 5 gal lid and pour all colonized grain jars into bucket full of coir and verm. You could add a 1/4 cup of gypsum now in bucket, but i never did, whatever floats your boat. -Put the 5 gal lid on tight and shake it up nice n good like. -Remove 5 gal lid and pour verm, coir, grain mix onto garbage bag that's taught around your monotub. Bang the bucket a couple times to get all those suckers stuck in there. -Evenly spread that goodness and give it a nice pat down to even it all out, don't need completely level just use your eyeballs again. -Cut trash bag off around sub. -Put lid on monotub and wait for full colonization. Mine took 10 days except for my first tub because I didn't soak the grains.
Fruiting
-Once fully colonized it's time to throw that there bad boy into fruiting. -Remove tape by grabbing those handy tabs you made and pull. -Frank comes in again with his how to dial in a monotub like a boss TEK. Do that or read what I do. -I stuff a big ol wad of polyfill into some pantyhose and tie it off. Makes for a nice, sleek, clean look w/o all the polyfill errywhere. Place four into the bottom four holes. -Place some polyfill all loosey goosey style into the top two. As time goes on you will be able to add or subtract poly from the top two to get the desired effect. -Give it a good fan and wait. -I saw primordia and knots start forming around a week after put into fruiting conditions.
Notes
-When harvesting you can cut or pull whatever fits your fancy. I prefer the twist and pull method. Ive had fruits and knots form right out of old cut bases. When i pull some mycellium is sure to come with. I've found it's no big deal for a healthy sub. It repairs itself and moves on, just some minor bruising and pins will form there later on.
-Vent steam in PC for 10 mins before putting weight on.
-Generally about 2.5 weeks after put into fruiting first harvest will be good to go.
-Harvest fruits as the get bigger, no need to harvest all at once.
-Don't tighten your lids super tight when PC'ing, just snug em up. It's a pain to loosen them when doing G2G.
-Drill your holes in the lids over one jar so only one jar has to be cleaned.
-I've tried several designs for the jar lids. Postal tyvek, real Tyvek, EZ Felt, Micropore, EZ Felt and micropore and polyfill. They all worked fine. The micropore left sticky residue so i ditched that, i didn't feel safe with just EZ felt even though it worked fine. Postal Tyvek is another felony charge, real tyvek is too expensive. When covered with tyvek or EZ felt when i shook some grains would get caught between the filter and the lid, it bugged the crap out of me. Good ol' polyfill works great, you already have it and you just need to snug it into the 1/4" hole, bad a bam done.
-The fine verm I used just fine.

-I used hair ties to snug my gloves around my tyvek suit that I cut the legs off of.

-Drying Chamber

-Thought to be some kid of contam, nothing ever became of it.

-Same with this, it's just heavy myc growth.


I've made somewhere around 80 jars, I threw out only one of them. It had this weird black thing on the outside, it didn't grow but it wasn't there when it was fully colonized, it just showed up, so i pitched it. Always go with your gut guys.
All 6 of my tubs went to their third flush no problem.
Ounces don't lie.

Some rando pics, Enjoy.






Monster third flush fruits.







I've got this giant bed outdoors. 40 jars of spawn 11 pounds of coco, 15 quarts verm and 7.25 gal water. No half ass pasteurization or sterilization of the sub. Just all mixed into one giant outdoor bed. Will see what happens, will post pics later.
Peace and Love
-BarBur-
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Re: BarBur's Indoor, Outdoor, Tips, Tricks and What Nots [Re: BarryBurrito]
#21943510 - 07/14/15 07:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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tetherface
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Re: BarBur's Indoor, Outdoor, Tips, Tricks and What Nots [Re: BarryBurrito]
#21943526 - 07/14/15 07:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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good job bro! thats a badass first post keep up the good work
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Re: BarBur's Indoor, Outdoor, Tips, Tricks and What Nots [Re: tetherface]
#21943642 - 07/14/15 07:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I sense the po po be coming to ya.
Nice first post though
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Re: BarBur's Indoor, Outdoor, Tips, Tricks and What Nots [Re: tetherface]
#21944059 - 07/14/15 09:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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tetherface said: good job bro! thats a badass first post keep up the good work
hell yeah it is, welcome to the community brother!
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Re: BarBur's Indoor, Outdoor, Tips, Tricks and What Nots [Re: kushroom]
#21944078 - 07/14/15 09:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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First off, you shouldn't be trying to give instructions on your first tub. Try some shit and see how it works first.
Second, I stopped reading when you said to throw WBS and water in a jar and hydrate and sterilize in the same step. That's a crap method that I did for a while. It doesn't allow the maximum amount of water into your grain, it doesn't do anything to remove the starch and gluten formed and it doesn't always completely sterilize.
We don't add steps just to make things harder. We add them because they're necessary.
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Re: BarBur's Indoor, Outdoor, Tips, Tricks and What Nots [Re: 36fuckin5]
#21944242 - 07/14/15 10:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Let's see the outdoor bed
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Re: BarBur's Indoor, Outdoor, Tips, Tricks and What Nots [Re: BarryBurrito]
#21944333 - 07/14/15 10:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Looks good. Though you spent some money to get the grow, you st stuck the fruits in some niggered up dry box.
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BarryBurrito
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Re: BarBur's Indoor, Outdoor, Tips, Tricks and What Nots [Re: BarryBurrito]
#21944545 - 07/14/15 11:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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The outdoor bed as promised

I let these sterilized grain jars sit for a few weeks to see for myself if they became dry or contaminated. G2G with no problem at all. I've read numerous ways to prepare grains and tried a few myself. They worked great but the amount of work to get there seemed unnecessary, so I experimented and this is what I like the best. I'm aware this method is rather old, but it worked great for me. I ran an experiment when I first began to see how much water is evaporated with several different lid arrangements. I have since trashed the results, but the amount lost seemed negligible.
Yeah the dry box wasn't nearly professional. My 6 tray dehydrator filled quick so I rigged it up for the remaining fruits to dry somewhat.
Thanks for the good vibes yall
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Re: BarBur's Indoor, Outdoor, Tips, Tricks and What Nots [Re: BarryBurrito]
#21944569 - 07/14/15 11:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Check out this outdoor patch.same as yours. You should put a plastic kiddie pool upside down on -top of that patch to keep humidity up
https://mycotopia.net/topic/30615-out-door-grow-w-horse-plop/
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Re: BarBur's Indoor, Outdoor, Tips, Tricks and What Nots [Re: 36fuckin5]
#21944590 - 07/14/15 11:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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36fuckin5 said: First off, you shouldn't be trying to give instructions on your first tub. Try some shit and see how it works first.
Second, I stopped reading when you said to throw WBS and water in a jar and hydrate and sterilize in the same step. That's a crap method that I did for a while. It doesn't allow the maximum amount of water into your grain, it doesn't do anything to remove the starch and gluten formed and it doesn't always completely sterilize.
We don't add steps just to make things harder. We add them because they're necessary.
I'm gonna agree with 365 here, I've done the single-step WBS many, many times and always had lower yields and more fucked up jars.
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Re: BarBur's Indoor, Outdoor, Tips, Tricks and What Nots [Re: Munchauzen]
#21944601 - 07/14/15 11:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Munchauzen said:
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36fuckin5 said: First off, you shouldn't be trying to give instructions on your first tub. Try some shit and see how it works first.
Second, I stopped reading when you said to throw WBS and water in a jar and hydrate and sterilize in the same step. That's a crap method that I did for a while. It doesn't allow the maximum amount of water into your grain, it doesn't do anything to remove the starch and gluten formed and it doesn't always completely sterilize.
We don't add steps just to make things harder. We add them because they're necessary.
I'm gonna agree with 365 here, I've done the single-step WBS many, many times and always had lower yields and more fucked up jars.
Wrong thread.
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Re: BarBur's Indoor, Outdoor, Tips, Tricks and What Nots [Re: azur]
#21944607 - 07/14/15 11:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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azur said:
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Munchauzen said:
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36fuckin5 said: First off, you shouldn't be trying to give instructions on your first tub. Try some shit and see how it works first.
Second, I stopped reading when you said to throw WBS and water in a jar and hydrate and sterilize in the same step. That's a crap method that I did for a while. It doesn't allow the maximum amount of water into your grain, it doesn't do anything to remove the starch and gluten formed and it doesn't always completely sterilize.
We don't add steps just to make things harder. We add them because they're necessary.
I'm gonna agree with 365 here, I've done the single-step WBS many, many times and always had lower yields and more fucked up jars.
Wrong thread.
what are you smokin' tonight, man?
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Re: BarBur's Indoor, Outdoor, Tips, Tricks and What Nots [Re: Munchauzen]
#21944647 - 07/14/15 11:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oh shit. Idk. Keef
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Re: BarBur's Indoor, Outdoor, Tips, Tricks and What Nots [Re: BarryBurrito]
#21946755 - 07/15/15 10:47 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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BarryBurrito said: I let these sterilized grain jars sit for a few weeks to see for myself if they became dry or contaminated. G2G with no problem at all. I've read numerous ways to prepare grains and tried a few myself. They worked great but the amount of work to get there seemed unnecessary, so I experimented and this is what I like the best. I'm aware this method is rather old, but it worked great for me.
Because you haven't done any real tests. Do 2 batches - one properly soaked and simmered and one your lazy way. Then use an isolate and do 2 identical tubs. Weigh the fruits when you're done and watch the results.
Again, don't go trying to teach people when it's your first time because you don't know what you're doing. I stopped at the grain prep, I bet I could find more problems.
-------------------- Redd Foxx said: If you're offended I don't give a shit and don't come see me no more. Pat The Bunny said: A punk rock song won't ever change the world, but I can tell you about a couple that changed me. bodhisatta said: i recommend common sense and figuring it out. These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.
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Re: BarBur's Indoor, Outdoor, Tips, Tricks and What Nots [Re: 36fuckin5]
#21948414 - 07/15/15 05:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Grand total weight for 6 tubs:
1329 g or 7.9 oz per tub
This was all done with MS and G2G
These results seem to show I sort of know what I'm doing
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Re: BarBur's Indoor, Outdoor, Tips, Tricks and What Nots [Re: BarryBurrito]
#21948481 - 07/15/15 05:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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BarryBurrito said: Grand total weight for 6 tubs:
1329 g or 7.9 oz per tub
This was all done with MS and G2G
These results seem to show I sort of know what I'm doing

That's fine for you. We are just trying to prevent others from using unproven and frivolous methods when there is such a wealth of good tested information on this site. I have been on this site for almost a decade and growing for almost two. I still wouldn't post a guide with as much bravado as you seem to have.
Your results are very nice. Good job.
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Edited by SteveRogers (07/15/15 05:33 PM)
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Re: BarBur's Indoor, Outdoor, Tips, Tricks and What Nots [Re: BarryBurrito]
#21948509 - 07/15/15 05:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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BarryBurrito said: Grand total weight for 6 tubs:
1329 g or 7.9 oz per tub
This was all done with MS and G2G
These results seem to show I sort of know what I'm doing

Good job. Do what you want. 35fucking5 is a good guy and i like him, but he's been grumpy lately.
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Re: BarBur's Indoor, Outdoor, Tips, Tricks and What Nots [Re: azur]
#21949419 - 07/15/15 09:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I meant no disrespect, I admire many of the cultivaters on this site.
I thought it would be nice to show that easy/lazy methods work fine.
Many for the compliments
Peace and Love
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Re: BarBur's Indoor, Outdoor, Tips, Tricks and What Nots [Re: BarryBurrito]
#21949511 - 07/15/15 09:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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BarryBurrito said: I meant no disrespect, I admire many of the cultivaters on this site.
I thought it would be nice to show that easy/lazy methods work fine.
Many for the compliments
Peace and Love
Yeah, I mean good grow and all, but I bet if you'd have done it the standard way you'd have gotten more. Like I said, I used to do it the exact way you do. I ran tests using a proven isolate (using a dozen tubs for each one, I go big, hence the lack of pics) and it showed that the work is worth it.
It's not about being easy. It's about being efficient. Time is free. You can only cycle so many tubs in one spot over a year. Efficient =/= easy.
I've also been on here for what, 13 years now? I've seen many a noob try to write a TEK. Most of them suck. This is how the main page got fucked up. You can get lucky a LOT with Cubensis. I've pulled off some shit that yielded well that shouldn't have.
Get yourself an isolate and run some tests.
-------------------- Redd Foxx said: If you're offended I don't give a shit and don't come see me no more. Pat The Bunny said: A punk rock song won't ever change the world, but I can tell you about a couple that changed me. bodhisatta said: i recommend common sense and figuring it out. These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.
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