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15 1/2 pints brf > 35-40 half pints coir/verm/hpoo?
    #21943146 - 07/14/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

This tub intimidates me



But I have to go these about 4 days out from being fully colonized




My 1:6 tray





And 1:12 trays are looking good

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I'm running out of room, and everyone say "monos"- but I don't want to loose 15 cakes- I have WBS going but it's a ways out- what would you do?

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Re: 15 1/2 pints brf > 35-40 half pints coir/verm/hpoo? [Re: TravelAgency]
    #21943173 - 07/14/15 05:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

is that uncolonied manure in a fc?


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Re: 15 1/2 pints brf > 35-40 half pints coir/verm/hpoo? [Re: spacechildo]
    #21943201 - 07/14/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It's fairly well colonized, bad pic, it put up 3 pins so I put it into fruiting


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Re: 15 1/2 pints brf > 35-40 half pints coir/verm/hpoo? [Re: TravelAgency]
    #21943247 - 07/14/15 06:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

the last pic? it doesnt look colonized to me, I dont think it'll survive very long.. :sad:


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Re: 15 1/2 pints brf > 35-40 half pints coir/verm/hpoo? [Re: spacechildo]
    #21943257 - 07/14/15 06:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah the last one even has a thin layer of myc over everything and like I said it threw up 3 pins. It honestly looks just like one before it.


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Re: 15 1/2 pints brf > 35-40 half pints coir/verm/hpoo? [Re: spacechildo]
    #21943278 - 07/14/15 06:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

just because it pinned doesnt mean its healthy. Just keep an eye on it.


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Re: 15 1/2 pints brf > 35-40 half pints coir/verm/hpoo? [Re: TravelAgency]
    #21943295 - 07/14/15 06:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Pining before full colonization means contamination somtimes


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Re: 15 1/2 pints brf > 35-40 half pints coir/verm/hpoo? [Re: impatientguy]
    #21943327 - 07/14/15 06:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yes it does, but I was literally like "ok, should I fruit it now?" For a few days and when I saw the pins I figured that was a good sign. It really does look very colonized, I mean there is still brown from the hpoo seeping through, but you can see strands covering everything, and there are hyphae knots all over each of them too- it looks healthy from what I've seen. But we will see, time will tell. I appreciate the concern beacause when I looked at the last pic I had to double take- let me load a pre fruitin g pic

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Re: 15 1/2 pints brf > 35-40 half pints coir/verm/hpoo? [Re: TravelAgency]
    #21943332 - 07/14/15 06:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Looks good to me:thumbup:


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Re: 15 1/2 pints brf > 35-40 half pints coir/verm/hpoo? [Re: spacechildo]
    #21943334 - 07/14/15 06:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

isnt that the tub from the 2nd to last pic? it looks way different in the patched growth..


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Re: 15 1/2 pints brf > 35-40 half pints coir/verm/hpoo? [Re: spacechildo]
    #21943351 - 07/14/15 06:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)



Wrong one. Each were a half of my best colonizing cake.


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Re: 15 1/2 pints brf > 35-40 half pints coir/verm/hpoo? [Re: TravelAgency]
    #21943354 - 07/14/15 06:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I took a close look at your first pics and it all looks pretty normal to me. I bet it will turn out great.


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Re: 15 1/2 pints brf > 35-40 half pints coir/verm/hpoo? [Re: impatientguy]
    #21944712 - 07/14/15 11:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So what do you think- should I spawn all the cakes to a bulk 15:48(?)  coir/verm/hpoo- it's really tempting but since I'm producing with the min bulk trays I don't want to waste time and resources when I should be getting fruits.

Wait for WBS to colonize, G2G, colonize, then spawn that to bulk?

Or take a chance and see what PFTek can really do?


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Re: 15 1/2 pints brf > 35-40 half pints coir/verm/hpoo? [Re: TravelAgency]
    #21944804 - 07/15/15 12:24 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Eh I personally hate cakes so if you confident in your bulk abilities then I'd say go for it. You'll get a lot more fruit for your time. I would look up Damion coir 5050 tek or something.


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Re: 15 1/2 pints brf > 35-40 half pints coir/verm/hpoo? [Re: impatientguy]
    #21944846 - 07/15/15 12:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah Damion's is a well written Tek, it was what I was going to use for my WBS. But I also remember the cool cat who built an outdoor shelf and I believe he used cakes to spawn that beauty.

I'm really torn, because my mini bulks are fruiting nicely, though I fear at under 2 3/4" high they aren't deep enough to support the glorious canopies I so enviously see on a routine basis.  I am happy with what they are doing, but I'm running out of room.

I have 15 jars about ready to do something with- spawning them all to minibulk (something I'm very confident in now) would take up more space and materials than I already have. I'm talking i need several more sgfc s and bags of perilite... And an extra shelf or two. I want to get the most bang out of my crop- and spawning PFTek to bulk does seem like a bit of a challenge that would be worth conquering and writing a Tek up for for people in the transition art stage.

If you can't tell by know I've smoked a little bit so I hope you will excuse my musing ramblings, I'm really just talking aloud and hoping to bounce the pros and cons off of someone with.

When I get torn like this, with good and bad on both sides, it's really hard for me to make a decision as I like to be as balanced and unemotional about as I can (even though I LOVE my babies).


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Re: 15 1/2 pints brf > 35-40 half pints coir/verm/hpoo? [Re: TravelAgency]
    #21944907 - 07/15/15 12:58 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Do the large one with a high spawn ratio. When I use pf cake spawn they usually colonise in 7 to 10 days at most and its very hard to screw up unless you make your substrate really wet. I always squeeze it out by hand to get it field capacity right but if you have used a previous coir tek with success you will have no problems spawning a large tub. Just make sure to scrape off the Vermiculite barrier on the cakes, rinse and crumble. You'll be fine and it Will be easier and quicker than you thought.

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Re: 15 1/2 pints brf > 35-40 half pints coir/verm/hpoo? [Re: mycomaniac1402]
    #21944934 - 07/15/15 01:08 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you- I appreciate it. I think that's what I'm going to do. I've only spawned to hpoo before, throwing the rest of what I have in with coir (and Verm of course). but I think I will still follow Damien's 50/50 Tek just modded a little to throw in hpoo, maybe some gypsum, guano, and worm casings too just for shits (all to be pasteurized of course). My only problem is- I've never spawned to coir before so I'm not sure how many bricks I'll need to prep for this, don't want to waste any, but I'm guessing 2 ( :shrug: ). I've got about  7 lbs of hpoo left.

Edited to add: Also, do you personally get yours Up to field capacity before you pasteurize Or after?


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Re: 15 1/2 pints brf > 35-40 half pints coir/verm/hpoo? [Re: TravelAgency]
    #21944951 - 07/15/15 01:16 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Lol try keeping it simple. If you add anything else id go with the horse manure , bigger chance of contamination with castings ect but thats my opinion. You only need a few handfuls of manure and they'll love it but id hold off adding too many different ingredients , except the Coir, Manure & Vermiculite of coarse

Oh and I do mine different, I haven't done a bucket tek and dont know if it calls for an exact water content.. if it does just soak your manure , squeeze EVERY bit of moisture out of it and add to the coir during past. That way it wont screw up the moisture.

I do mine in the oven, its what im used to so I advise you to follow a tek thats simply written until you get used to what your doing.


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Re: 15 1/2 pints brf > 35-40 half pints coir/verm/hpoo? [Re: mycomaniac1402]
    #21944960 - 07/15/15 01:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Oh I think the tek calls for one brick, so add a 1 q of manure if your going to add it, but again, make sure its squeezed well before adding. Follow the tek and you'll be good to go. It wont take much to give a 3 1/2" to 4 " substrate in that tub , coir goes crazy when hydrated.


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Re: 15 1/2 pints brf > 35-40 half pints coir/verm/hpoo? [Re: mycomaniac1402]
    #21944969 - 07/15/15 01:29 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah Damion's Tek seems the easiest (I have seen some people not like it but I'd say they are in the minority) but I have a good thermometer, so if I decided to get them up to field capacity, then jar and pasteurize I could do that (in smaller portions)- I could also do the old pillow case Tek, were you just load your pillow case and pasteurize and then after it cools wrong out all the extra moisture- but that seems like a really easy way to get an over saturated sub to me. I also have a couple spawn bags I could use, but also would be more limited space wise (and therefore time wise) than the bucket Tek would be. And I do plan on growing oysters soon so I could repurpose a bucket (or get a couple of them).

Thanks btw for allowing me to bounce ideas off of you- I feel this is the best way to come to a conclusion. (I'm the same way with the ever dreaded politics, I have some really good friends the complete opposite of I and we like to (civilly and with respect) bounce conflicting ideas off of each other to try to arrive at the best possible result. 

This, the Socratic Method of asking questions, I believe is the best way to come to an understanding (before a bunch of trial and error that is- major props to the cultivator OGs).


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Re: 15 1/2 pints brf > 35-40 half pints coir/verm/hpoo? [Re: TravelAgency]
    #21944990 - 07/15/15 01:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I used to use the pillow case method and it does work if you hang it up after and let it drip for 4 to 6 hourd but make sure its clean. It does surprisingly good and if you need to just twist the top before spawning and squeeze out anything left

No problem bro, its all about what you feel comfortable with. Thats what you will succeed at . If its not comfortable you will be all confused  but everything is a bit hard till you do it a few times


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Re: 15 1/2 pints brf > 35-40 half pints coir/verm/hpoo? [Re: mycomaniac1402]
    #21945114 - 07/15/15 02:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Cool man I think I'll do it. I'll just follow Damions Tek, add in 5 lbs of hpoo (I already have it pasteurized) get everything up to field capacity and crumble/mix in the cakes. I'll document this thoroughly too because since everyone starts out with PFTek just about I'd like to share any successes, or honestly even better for overall knowledge, failures- to see what works and what doesn't.

A friend told me about a premixed sub he used as casing for PE, so I have a bag of it just sitting there (I don't want to take on PE till I know I'm bawlin')- that's where the additional ingredients would come in. Honestly it reads like it was made specifically for mushrooms- my only worry is that it has quite a bit of gypsum (by the eye- could be not as bad as I see) and with the addition of the base guano I fear that using too much of it would create too high of PH for even the cubes, though if I just used a small portion of it for a big bulk it could be good. It's made with coir, gypsum, guano, worm casings, oyster shell, dolomite lime, kelp- looks like if I threw in a few handfuls it could be good


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