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Medicated-420
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Golden Teachers Not Pinning
#21943138 - 07/14/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey Fellow Trippers,
This is my first time posting on shroomery, despite using it as reference for years.
I have taken to trying to grow my own GT shrooms and need some help as after 2 weeks in the fruiting chamber i only have 1 baby shroom.
I followed the PFTEK for simple minds by fungifun.org and have had no problems so far. I inoculated on 3/6/15 and brought them out to indirect sunlight on the 22/6/15 once fully colonized. The PFTEK i used said to leave them in the jars until pins start to show but if they dont show go straight to fruiting. I removed the cakes from the glasses and placed in fruiting chamber on 2/7/15, i dunked and rolled 3 cakes (i found this technique from other teks) and just placed the rest straight on the wet perlite.
I am off work for a month so im able to keep a close eye on them and have been airing and spraying 6 times a day. I dont have holes in the box as my PFTEK didnt say to do that. It goes down to about 10 Celsius at night so i have the box sitting on water that is kept at 20 Celsius during the night and room temp would be 19-24 during the day.
My problem is only one cake has grown one mushroom, the others look healthy to my untrained eye (cakes have little sweat drops, small mycilium growth around dry verm etc and smells beautiful ) but nothing happening so any help on this matter or thoughts at all would be appreciated.
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impatientguy
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Probably lack of fae or moisture. Are there any holes in your fruiting chamber? I can't see me from the picture.
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impatientguy
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Haha *any, not me. I'd be worried if I saw me in your picture lol
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Medicated-420
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HAHA..na id be worried if you were in the pics 
No to the holes aswell.. the PFTEK i was using just said to put them in a bucket with a clear plastic sheet as a lid. As i have a few cakes i decided to use the bigger box.
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What kind of fruiting chamber is that?? It looks like a tun with perlite floating in another tub with water.... ???
Build an SGFC and you'll solve your pinning problem.
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spacechildo
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yes that setup is fucked, you probably got high and mixed up an incubator with a fruiting chamber.
you need to drill 1/4" size holes 2" apart in a grid pattern on all 6 sides and get it out of the water.
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LoveNaborFuckHater
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I remember seeing the tek I think you got your FC idea from. Just use a SGFC make sure it's raised off the ground a couple inches also
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Medicated-420
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Thanks for the help..
Yes the set up im using is basically the incubator for growing the mycilium, the reason i decided to use it at night is because it gets so cold and were in a typical ozzy house with no heating. (also partially because i was fucking baked..thanks spacechildo)
Im happy to build an SGFC if thats the problem but will i have troubles with the cold nights 10-17 celcius?
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spacechildo
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it will be way better in cold temps than without any fresh air and floating in warm water.
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impatientguy
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Re: Golden Teachers Not Pinning [Re: spacechildo]
#21943277 - 07/14/15 06:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hahaha made me laugh so hard
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Medicated-420
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Re: Golden Teachers Not Pinning [Re: spacechildo]
#21943288 - 07/14/15 06:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: it will be way better in cold temps than without any fresh air and floating in warm water.
Excellent!..noobs hey! Theres so many contradicting ideas to go through when you first start off but i appreciate the help and will get to making my SGFC now.
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Take your time on the SGFC. The sides can crack when drilling the holes.
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Re: Golden Teachers Not Pinning [Re: BLINKfan420]
#21943321 - 07/14/15 06:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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will do.
Also, it seems having a tall box seems best. Should i go and buy a tall one or can i simply put holes in the one im using?
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spacechildo
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Quote:
Medicated-420 said:
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spacechildo said: it will be way better in cold temps than without any fresh air and floating in warm water.
Excellent!..noobs hey! Theres so many contradicting ideas to go through when you first start off but i appreciate the help and will get to making my SGFC now.
Basic principles of the SGFC
try to stay away from offside links and teks and enter 2-3 yrs in the no older than box in the advanced search function!
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Re: Golden Teachers Not Pinning [Re: spacechildo]
#21943338 - 07/14/15 06:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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That size should be fine, as long as it's big enough for the cakes, FAE, and 3" of perlite
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Re: Golden Teachers Not Pinning [Re: spacechildo]
#21943350 - 07/14/15 06:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I should have come here for advice from the begining i think! Cheers for the link spacechildo
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Re: Golden Teachers Not Pinning [Re: spacechildo]
#21943790 - 07/14/15 08:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well i have them set up in the SGFC now. Looks much better, also noticed 3 new small mushrooms starting on the bottom of the cakes when changing over 
Ive been thinking about the temperature problem:
If i buy a compact fluorescent light (15 watts) i could give them 12hours of that light during the night so they get a bit of heat off it then keep them dark during the day when its warmer..what do you think? will this work?
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bburnett227
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....or just get a cheap-o little space heater and an "outlet thermostat switch" to plug the heater into. Works like a charm.
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Edited by bburnett227 (07/15/15 12:30 AM)
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impatientguy
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Re: Golden Teachers Not Pinning [Re: bburnett227]
#21944888 - 07/15/15 12:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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When fruiting Temps don't matter that much as long as it's not freezing ass cold or 90 it will fruit ok
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LoveNaborFuckHater
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I'd be careful with running a heater all the time because of fire risks.
Do you not have a light on them already? You should get a 6500k or the bluest light you can find and have them on a 12/12 cycle.
You could also cut the misting and fanning back to about 3-4x/day now that you have FAE.
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Medicated-420
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Yeh thats my problem...it is freezing ass cold here at the minute! It may be australia but its going down to 46f at night and yesterday was 64f at the hottest part of the day!
I have the SGFC raised 1.5" above a box of heated water with the lid on, it seems to be keeping a steady 64f in the FC now.
I dont have any lights on it, ive been using daylight (room with stain glass windows), doing 12/12 like that. Should I just go and get a lamp for it?
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bburnett227
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The outlet thermostat switch, like the one I have, http://www.amazon.com/Lux-Heating-Cooling-Programmable-Thermostat/dp/B000E7NYY8 Is only on wgen ur temp goes down below the target temp that u set, abd shuts off when it goes 1 or 2 degrees above. It's a beautiful thing
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Re: Golden Teachers Not Pinning [Re: bburnett227]
#21949099 - 07/15/15 07:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Don't worry about the heat or the light (as Long as it is in a brightly sunlit room) cubes aren't picky about fruiting Temps at all. I saw Roger say he thought ones grown in a colder room were stronger.
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bburnett227
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Also, from things I've read about cooler temps, the fruits will be more dense, to a degree of course, and vise versa. Warmer temps, 80s or so sometimes tends to create hollow stems and the like. How that would translate to effect on psilocybin, is beyond me. But I feel like I'm dragging this thread out way too far...peace
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Re: Golden Teachers Not Pinning [Re: bburnett227]
#21949542 - 07/15/15 09:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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bburnett227 said: Also, from things I've read about cooler temps, the fruits will be more dense, to a degree of course, and vise versa. Warmer temps, 80s or so sometimes tends to create hollow stems and the like. How that would translate to effect on psilocybin, is beyond me. But I feel like I'm dragging this thread out way too far...peace
It effects psilocybin content because there's more weight. There's no % increase in let's say psilocybin/gram or potency. There's more weight/mushroom if the stems are filled, which is why there will be more actives, simply because there's more weight for them to occupy.
All I did is go to Walmart and get a 6500k bulb, screw it in a lamp, take the shade off and I sat it next to my SGFC. Light isn't too important though, I believe it's just more of a directional thing to tell the mushrooms where to grow. The majority of days I was only giving them between 30 minutes to a couple hours of light.
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spacechildo
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how do you know that?
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Re: Golden Teachers Not Pinning [Re: spacechildo]
#21949632 - 07/15/15 10:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I wasnt trying to say that as a fact, just my assumption. Let's say you have a 1 oz. sponge and it can hold a cup of water. If you have a 2 oz sponge then it should be able to hold 2 cups of water.
The more volume or weight there is in a given mushroom, the more psilocybin content will also be in it. If it were more dense on the inside but still had the same amount of psilocybin then that would be like a 5g mushroom and a 1g mushroom having the same active content inside.
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Medicated-420
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Pretty shit photography I have to say but you get the idea.
I now have them elevated, covered in holes, more wet perlite and just bought a small heater for the room at night so they dont freeze 
They have dried a bit since putting holes in the box but I will keep them misted and give them lots of love so hopefully ill be posting up some success pictures soon.
With misting some say just wet the perlite and other mist the entire FC getting some on the cakes. Does it matter much with this set up?
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I mist the cakes bc I've heard evaporation can be a pinning trigger. Also the perlite sometimes just to keep the humidity up. What is the darker layer above your perlite? Is that just a more soaked layer of perlite you put in?
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Medicated-420
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LoveNaborFuckHater said: I mist the cakes bc I've heard evaporation can be a pinning trigger. Also the perlite sometimes just to keep the humidity up. What is the darker layer above your perlite? Is that just a more soaked layer of perlite you put in?
Yeh i was confused about that too...same brand, same shop but different colour perlite!
Having the extra perlite helps so much to keep it moist in there.
Because of all the help I now have 8 babys growing and 2 clusters just started...thank you all!!
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Update:
So Ive built a warm room for night time (68f constantly) and also bought a bulb, i couldnt find 6700k bulb anywhere here, the best i could do is 4700k (equivilant to 100W incandescent.)
In the pics you can see that most of them are growing 2/3 at a time but one cake is pinning nicely all around, this cake was dunked unlike the others. Should I take the ones that are growing singles and dunk them now to hydrate or should I stop messing around and leave it?


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I didn't know that, thanks dud.
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