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Continual Monotub problems - Cambodian
    #21942812 - 07/14/15 04:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

When I first started growing I was using golden teacher on birdseed and spawning that to pasteurized coir. My recent batch of bags has been cambodian on bird seed. I have used the same technique to pasteurize the coir (Damions tek.) I have had every single monotub (going on 4 now) get trich and I am getting tired of wasting time and money. Are cambodians not as tough as golden teacher or something?


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Re: Continual Monotub problems - Cambodian [Re: jjgomes]
    #21942871 - 07/14/15 04:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The trich is in your spawn.

Cambo and golden teachers are exactly the same. If you grow from spores you have 100s of strains working together in your grow. Some mushrooms if not most of them grown from spores are multiple strains themselves. Use agar to isolate an amazing strain from Amy variety of cubes.

Post pictures of your spawn jars next time.


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Re: Continual Monotub problems - Cambodian [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21943718 - 07/14/15 08:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It isn't in the spawn. I do all bags, they are all pressure cooked, 15psi, 90 minutes, they are all fluffy white.

I realize they are the same species, but I have had all of my golden teachers and all of my cambodians colonize at noticably different rates.


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Re: Continual Monotub problems - Cambodian [Re: jjgomes]
    #21943743 - 07/14/15 08:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

its obviously your spawn. trich dies at very low temps so it wouldn't survive the bucket.
just because we PC our grains doesnt mean we never have dirty spawn..


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Re: Continual Monotub problems - Cambodian [Re: spacechildo]
    #21943779 - 07/14/15 08:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

True, but consistent results are part of proper method.



Here is the bag. These were both pressure cooked at the same time. As you can see the bag I have not inoculated is entirely clean. The bag I have is entirely fluffy and white. The bird seed is wild seed you are see a few black seeds showing where I have pushed the mycellium off the top while handling the bag.

For the past two months I have had four bags. Two months ago I spawed one bag and got trich. I spawned another bag and got trich. You are trying to tell me that from these remaining two bags, which have been colonized for two months at least, have trich? After two months if they had trich it would be over run. I have had a contaminated bag and that is not what I have here.


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Re: Continual Monotub problems - Cambodian [Re: jjgomes]
    #21943796 - 07/14/15 08:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

just because its white doesnt mean its right. trich is white..


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Re: Continual Monotub problems - Cambodian [Re: spacechildo]
    #21943813 - 07/14/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Omg only until it matures, and it would show in the bag! I have had these bags for more than two months dude. That is plenty of time to mature.

Perhaps you are thinking that NO mushrooms are growing and its ALL trich? I am getting about one crappy flush of mushrooms that are riddled with trich.

I am wondering if my location could be contaminated. I am doing it in a closet. My first few tubs were fine, but perhaps once I got trich once the location got over-run with spores?


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Re: Continual Monotub problems - Cambodian [Re: jjgomes]
    #21943853 - 07/14/15 08:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

no dude, if the bags took 2 months to finish they are fucked.
trich often rides along from spawn to tub and doesnt show until you give it fresh air.

why are you debating every thing I'm telling you? Its like you refuse to consider it is your spawn
and just make up invalid reasons to why things failed..


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Re: Continual Monotub problems - Cambodian [Re: spacechildo]
    #21943862 - 07/14/15 08:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

what are you using to inoculate your bags? are all your problem bags from the same syringe? looks like your WBS prep is solid from the pics just trying to narrow it down but when tubs trich out before they even flush IMO it has to be the spawn


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Re: Continual Monotub problems - Cambodian [Re: spacechildo]
    #21943868 - 07/14/15 08:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Okay, You dont seem to be understanding.

These bags have been COLONIZED for more than a month. I just keep them in a cool dark place so they dont start fruiting in the bag. I do this ALL the time with oysters with 100% success. I have done with with cubensis with success as well. They took maybe 2 weeks to colonize.

The reason I am debating it is because you are not offering me information that lines up with my already successful practices. These are not the only mushrooms I am growing, they are the only ones that are failing.


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Re: Continual Monotub problems - Cambodian [Re: tetherface]
    #21943876 - 07/14/15 08:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

its probably your syringe


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Re: Continual Monotub problems - Cambodian [Re: jjgomes]
    #21943883 - 07/14/15 08:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

well just post a proper pic of the bag and I can show you the contam.

you dont seem to understand this hobby. just because your spawn has been clean on some other occasion doesnt mean you'll grow clean spawn every time.


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Re: Continual Monotub problems - Cambodian [Re: tetherface]
    #21943884 - 07/14/15 08:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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what are you using to inoculate your bags? are all your problem bags from the same syringe? looks like your WBS prep is solid from the pics just trying to narrow it down but when tubs trich out before they even flush IMO it has to be the spawn




I had considered it to be the spawn but the spawn shows no evidence of it until I spawn.
If you have fully colonized bags, wouldn't you expect any contamination to show up if they have been sitting for a month?

The problem bags are not from a single syringe. Two different vendors.

It is not like I am entirely ruling out the idea, but the facts are that there are so many indicators (successes) on my side that say the bag is not the problem. I am only recently having this string of infections.


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Re: Continual Monotub problems - Cambodian [Re: spacechildo]
    #21943890 - 07/14/15 08:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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well just post a proper pic of the bag and I can show you the contam.

you dont seem to understand this hobby. just because your spawn has been clean on some other occasion doesnt mean you'll grow clean spawn every time.




I will be building a new tub and putting it in a new location to try to rule that out. When I do, I can take a proper photograph. Taking a picture through a crumbly bag is near impossible


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Re: Continual Monotub problems - Cambodian [Re: jjgomes]
    #21943903 - 07/14/15 08:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

you cant take a picture of a grain bag you already spawned to bulk. little late for that now if you havent done it already..


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Re: Continual Monotub problems - Cambodian [Re: spacechildo]
    #21943926 - 07/14/15 08:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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you cant take a picture of a grain bag you already spawned to bulk. little late for that now if you havent done it already..




Oh my good lord. Are you being intentionally belligerent? I will take a picture of the cake once I remove it from the bag?

Here are a couple photos where the bag is not a crinkly mess:



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Re: Continual Monotub problems - Cambodian [Re: tetherface]
    #21943944 - 07/14/15 08:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

put a few drops of each syringe on agar and see what grows but i highly doubt you got 2 bad syringes from 2 diff vendors but i've gotten 3 bad rigs in one order before so it can happen either way trich usually doesnt sporulate until you introduce fruiting conditions do you know what trich looks like before it goes green?(not trying to be a dick) just wanna help


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Re: Continual Monotub problems - Cambodian [Re: jjgomes]
    #21943969 - 07/14/15 08:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Being a noob--with more experience than a lot of noobs however--I have no right to jump in here, but sometimes "out of the mouths of babes".... Anyway, something like this happened to me about 5 years ago--I have not done any mushroom work from that period til now--I was doing bird seed just as I had with previous successful projects but now everything would comtaminate. In my case it evident in the spawn jars themselves. At the time I could not get a clue to what was going on. It was only later, after I had quit growing that it occured to me this: I had bought a new pressure cooker, a much bigger one than I had been using and beside that there was no other variable that had changed among all my projects, successful and not. When I changed pressure cookers, I did not also change heat sources, and this, I now believe, was my downfall. The heat source was a small two burner hot plate. It was plenty hot enough to get my little 8 quart cooker generating contam-kilkler temperatures, but when I was using a cooker that was 3 times larger, that little burner was not up to the joh anymore. I recall being a bit puzzled by the fact that the steam coming out of the big new cooker was not as aggressive at had been the little pc's output.  So, to make a short story of it, I wasn't killing the bad guys as a direct result of upgrading my techology-Oh the irony of it! 
Anyway, just throwing this out there to maybe get some lateral thinking going.


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Re: Continual Monotub problems - Cambodian [Re: jjgomes]
    #21944008 - 07/14/15 09:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

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you cant take a picture of a grain bag you already spawned to bulk. little late for that now if you havent done it already..




Oh my good lord. Are you being intentionally belligerent? I will take a picture of the cake once I remove it from the bag?

Here are a couple photos where the bag is not a crinkly mess:






you said your tub turned into trich and I blamed that particular spawn.
this is also looking at least bacterial but not that bad, some parts I'm not sure of but could be mold.

just trying to help dude, its your grow you do whatever you want
so if you dont wanna accept its your grains I'll just move on and help someone who's willing to listen :shrug:


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Re: Continual Monotub problems - Cambodian [Re: spacechildo]
    #21944040 - 07/14/15 09:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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just trying to help dude, its your grow you do whatever you want
so if you dont wanna accept its your grains I'll just move on and help someone who's willing to listen :shrug:




It is not that I am not listening, I am. I am trying to follow a methodical procedure to entirely rule out every other option other than my grain bags. I can easily relocate and I can easily build another tub. It takes much more time to start a bag from scratch.


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