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Re: dmt and salvia? [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21960610 - 07/18/15 01:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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You also keep calling these things drugs, tryptamine and phenethylamine entheogens are NOT drugs.

there's NOTHING in an ayahuasca decoction that isn't naturally produced in the human body (DMT is produced in the human body as is pinoline, a beta-Carboline near identical to harmine)

I don't use drugs, I'm actually very against drugs, these things are exogenous neurotransmitters, literally.

Could you cure cancer with dreaming? Somethings you need medicine sometimes there's no.way to heal with out medicine...not all illnesses are physical some are mental, some are spiritual, but entheogenic shamanism can treat all these things, often in ways far more effective than modern medicine. Shamans are healers, psychotherapists and explorers rolled into one....while lucid dreamers are just lucid dreamers...

Dreaming is fine for exploration,but does nothing to dissolve ego, dissolve the barriers between the living and the dead, heal, induce claivoyance and so on..

You can't psychoanalyze yourself, the constructs of ego won't allow this, but when ego is diminished work as an individual can begin, that wasn't possible otherwise. this is how LSD can be like 15 years of psychotherapy in 15 minutes. It's something you can't induce naturally. Even how psilocin is being used to comfort dying people, you can't dream about after death states accurately but you can experience them via psilocin.


To denounce entheogenic shamanism in favor of dreaming is missing the point of the purpose of shamanism, shamanism is not a selfish act, where as I don't see dreaming helping anybody but the dreamer...

-E. Borodin




Lucid dreaming / out of body states gives you energy, faith , optimism in the universe, and that soul energy spills over to everyone around you, so it benefits all you are around, everyone you meet feels good around you.

You can unite with your soul in this way, but it seems you know what lucid dreaming does and it is worth nothing you say, it's just a dream

You can explore your ego in it too, by realizing projections, going towards your fear

Clairvoyance can be done with no drugs at all, for the people who have the ability this lifetime

These people can look past lifetime/time / space normally in everyday life too without drugs.

They can also see which chakras are having problems , and why people get ill, without the drug

Then it is up to the person to heal after getting input

A shaman never heals, a shaman teaches people to heal themselves right?

A drug may make many promises, but is it always good promises? - I'm sure if you smoke weed you will both be younger, healthier, more intelligent, almost like einstein
But is it really what you want?

Drugs make many promises, and plants may too, depending on the spirits you attract

A real shaman has been selected by spirit, he can get there without the drug or with the drug

He can meet spirit in any place usually , at least the shamans I've seen


That doesn't mean there are not medicines, however, and ayahuasca may be a real medicine better than any pharma pill
As long as one knows that the teacher may be in many other places


Crystals help me psychoanalyze myself and others, and so does nature. In fact just as well as mushrooms do. There is always a sober way it seems. They also help me connect with my higher self.


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Re: dmt and salvia? [Re: lessismore]
    #21960677 - 07/18/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

But now I am interested in this whole ayahuasca thing, do you give your clients themselves ayahuasca, or only yourself that takes it?

What do you see on it typically, that you don't see without?

What can you heal that you cannot heal without?

The way I usually heal, is to go deep myself, then next day I can heal others often. But I have only used mushrooms/LSD so far..

You could say the inspiration spills out to people next day , are you taking a dose that is large/small ? - a large one may be unpleasant and even make you hallucinate, a small one may help you focus

How do you gain strength on psychedelics, because they can dissolve the ego, and that can leave us vulnerable?


I.e. one effect they may have is they may disturb rational thinking by dissolving ego completely. So now you cannot write for a year... , how do you avoid that?


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Re: dmt and salvia? [Re: lessismore]
    #21961245 - 07/18/15 04:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)



I didn't have a chance to read your responses yet, this was supposed to be attached to my last post, but I just got around to it now. I'm done for the day, but tomorrow I'll read and respond to posts, just consider this an extension of my last post describing the chemical structures of neurotransmitters and psychedelics.

The red and blue lines indicate the similarities between molecules which I described. (Though it's incomplete, there's many more molecules I wanted to compare)

It's pretty self explanatory, even if you don't understand chemistry you can see the the compounds are near identical.

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Re: dmt and salvia? [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21961268 - 07/18/15 04:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yes very interesting, it surprised me LSD looked that much different from serotonin. But it has been the most rewarding experience for me of any psychedelic.

I suppose it takes some chemistry knowledge to understand what these molecules really do, and even then we might not understand at all...

We may understand it chemically, but brains respond very differently to chemical stimuli.

A buddhist mind may not change almost not matter which drug you put onto it, so a buddhist might not trip or see anything. I have tried taking a high dose LSD before and nothing happening for 10 hours before.

And other times lots of stuff happens, they're very unpredictable.


But my questions were regarding Ayahuasca which interests me a bit. Do you feel it is more rewarding for you than LSD each time? (i.e. not personal reward, but the reward of feeling connected to everybody afterwards - and bringing healing with you). I don't really seek personal reward or visions. But I seek to expand to everyone around me. That connection..


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Re: dmt and salvia? [Re: lessismore]
    #21961391 - 07/18/15 04:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)



Again, extention of my last post, I have not read your responses yet because i always end up typing a 5 paragraph response, I'm seriously tired, but had the energy to upload a few pictures. I'll respond to posts in the morning.

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Re: dmt and salvia? [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21961409 - 07/18/15 05:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)


salvinorin a


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Re: dmt and salvia? [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21963445 - 07/19/15 03:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Coincidentiaoppositorum said:

A man moved near a river and, wanting to find a way to travel across the water, spent ten years forming a type of levitation that would allow him to float across it. Buddha, who was preaching in town, was confronted by this man, who said, "Look master, look what I have achieved. I can walk across the water." And Buddha said, "Yeah, but the ferry only costs a nickel..."

...why would I resort to ordeals or somethings that I consider ineffective or potentially life threatenng when I have entheogens?

-E. Borodin




Ha ha! Got to agree and to be honest from among members here on the shroomery or even the vast majority of the whole world who really is able to experience something like LSD by simply meditating/dreaming or using other drugs that are chemically quite different as a vessel to get there?

I have my doubts to be honest as that is an extraordinary acheivement. For me its just something people say, like DMT is produced in the human body! We ourselves cannot possibly know if it is possible or not. Self altering or manipulating ones own brain chemistry and function in order to bring about a biochemical reaction as Coincidentiaoppositorum described here?

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Your brain takes in something like 12 billion signals per second all of which (except for smell) enter through the thalamus, which filters out the majority of these signals and sends the remaining to the cortex regions to be processed. These cortex regions are your higher processing areas where psychological and emotional interpretation of the signals occurs. Since the thalamus filters out the majority of the incoming  information before it can even get to the cortex regions your actually only perceiving a very small slice of reality. Now when you ingest a psychedelic tryptamine or phenethylamine it shuts-down these filtering mechanisms of the thalamus, thus flooding the cortex with all of reality, including what under normal circumstances never reaches your conscious perception. 5ht2a and 5ht2c receptors mediate this link between the thalamus and cortex regions.


 

I'd imagine you would have to seriously fuck with your own pyhsical and mental well being in order to bring about such a reaction. It's probably why people have histroically starved themselves in order to bring themselves closer to god! 

Coincidentiaoppositorum has taken a much more scientific approach than I did focusing on the chemical structure of the various molecules but I believe that one should very vividly be able to recognize the familiar link between each and every psychedelic molecule through empirical experience and experimentation alone.

They all have differences but each respective experience is like comparing one upper to another, all different compounds, but in terms of how they affect your mind and how one experiences them, they are all branches cut from the same tree.

Salvia I believe does not belong on the psychedelic tree no matter what Wikipedia says.

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A real shaman has been selected by spirit, he can get there without the drug or with the drug





Got to rememeber though dude that alot of these shaman guys make a living out of convincing other people that they have such powers. Should we really just take their word for it?


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Re: dmt and salvia? [Re: wolf8312]
    #21963539 - 07/19/15 05:26 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)



Hey Coincidentiaoppositorum a few questions for you ya big egg head. :smile:

Forgive my ignorance here as I have only been studying Ochem for a year and as you probably know at this stage my studies are primarily focused on various different reaction mechanisms so I haven't really delved much into biochemistry or how chemical structure alters the affect of a given molecule on the brain. Nor have I really got onto amines yet (aldehydes alcohols and ketones at the moment) and certainly not any psychedelic molecules which is my ultimate goal.

I am teaching myself from books and the internet dude, so always have questions/problems and would welcome some feedback and a chance to discuss these things with someone with more knowledge than I do.

Looking at the structural differences between LSD, amphetamine, and mescaline it seems to me that the reason mescaline is so much more similar in effect to LSD than it is amphetamine is the existence of the methoxy groups on the mescaline molecule?

Otherwise apart from the methoxy functional groups mescaline is actually structurally much closer to amphetamine than it is LSD though anyone who has ever taken mescaline, LSD, and amphetamine, can attest to the fact that LSD and mescaline are far more alike than they are in comparison to amphetamine. So does this mean were we to add methoxy groups to amphetamine there is a chance we would end up with a psychedelic compound?

What would happen if I was to use something like freidel crafts acylation to somehow add a methyoxy group to amphetamine, would this then create a molecule that is more likely to be something more similar in affect to something like mescaline?

The thing is I obviously know it cannot be that simple as many other compounds that are not psychedelic also share these similar chemical constituents (oxygen, amine, phenyl). So what exactly will constitute a psychedelic compound and how do scientists predict or aim to create psychedelic psychoactivity and set out to create new psychedelic compounds? Is it always a bit of case of trial and error? 

Does one need to start studying biochemistry in order to understand properly how molecular structures and functional groups can alter and distinguish psychoactivity?

Many thanks in advance dude!


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Re: dmt and salvia? [Re: wolf8312]
    #21963941 - 07/19/15 09:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Looking at the structural differences between LSD, amphetamine, and mescaline it seems to me that the reason mescaline is so much more similar in effect to LSD than it is amphetamine is the existence of the methoxy groups on the mescaline molecule?




I'll try to answer your questions the best that I can.

I would say LSD is a modified tryptamine, that picture didn't outline in red properly the tryptamine core of LSD, if you start from the indole ring and move up the two carbon bridge you get to a nitrogen (position 6) with a methyl group attached, this is mono-methyl-tryptamine within LSD. I would say the phenethylamine relation was more coincidence, and the tryptamine core is what is important. (I always thought that if you could add two methyl groups to nitrogen 6 of LSD it would create a molecule of DMT within LSD, however nitrogen only has 3 gaps in its automatic shell, so it's impossible to add anything else to nitrogen 6, you could cleave the whole top half of the molecule, but then you end up with RU-28306.

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Otherwise apart from the methoxy functional groups mescaline is actually structurally much closer to amphetamine than it is LSD though anyone who has ever taken mescaline, LSD, and amphetamine, can attest to the fact that LSD and mescaline are far more alike than they are in comparison to amphetamine. So does this mean were we to add methoxy groups to amphetamine there is a chance we would end up with a psychedelic compound?




Yes, mescaline is a phenethylamine, amphetamine means "alpha-methyl-phenethylamine" so if you add a methyl (ch3) group to the alpha carbon of the two carbon bridge of phenethylamine you obtain amphetamine. 


If you add a methyl group to the alpha-carbon of mescaline you have 3,4,5-trimethoxy-amphetamine (TMA), which is a psychedelic.

Amphetamine is very similar to dopamine, the way amphetamine and methamphetamine work is by flooding the synaptic cleft with dopamine then blocking the re-uptake transport, so all this extra dopamine is essentially trapped in the synaptic cleft for an extended period of time, this free floating dopamine severely damages the neuron...

This is why I refer to the psychedelic amphetamines as alpha methyl phenethylamines or simply just as phenethylamines when in regular conversation, this prevents association with stimulant compounds in the same class

HOWEVER the psychedelic amphetamines are serotonin 2a and serotonin 2c (5ht2a + 5ht2c) receptor agonists (with agonism or partial agonism at a few other sites depending on  compound), they function in a rather different mode from amphetamine itself, and while some compounds may retain some stimulant properties, the psychedelic amphetamines share no relation to the stimulant amphetamines regarding their general pharmacology and subjective experience.

And, yes, you guessed it, adding methoxy groups to amphetamine does create a series of psychedelic compounds.

Though there are 3,4,5- methoxy amphetamines which resemble mescaline, the more promiant pattern is the 2,5-dimethoxy-4-substituted compounds.

So here's an example, 2c-b is 2,5-dimethoxy-4-bromo-phenethylamine, this is a benzene ring with methoxy groups at 2 and 5,and with a two carbon bridge with an amine group at the end sprouting from position 1. NOW, let's take a methyl group and add it to the alpha carbon, thus creating the amphetamine homologue of 2C-B known as 2,5-dimethoxy-4-bromo-amphetamine or "DOB". Now, 2c-b is active at 10-30mgs and DOB is active at 1-3mgs, so the amphetamine homologue as always stronger, and in general.always in this dose ratio.

In the 2C-x series and DOx series these compounds were all originally conceived from mescaline and it's amphetamine homologue TMA, then TMA-2 which is 2,4,5-,trimethoxy-amphetamine, which paved the way for shulgin to discover the 2,5-dimethoxy-4-substituted phenethylamines and amphetamines.

The 4 position is generally filled by a halogen (having only one gap in their atomic shell row 7a of the periodic table want to fill this gap, making reactions with 2,5-dimethoxy-phenethylamine/amphetamine fairly simple...) or an alkyl chain or variation of alkyl chains, a sulfur atom can be added to position 4 and alkyl variations may be added to this sulfur atom such as in the "aleph" series.


There's a compound called 2-amino-indane, structurally and pharmacologically it resembles amphetamine, so one day I thought "I wonder if this could become a psychedelic with the proper methoxy substitutions to 4 and 7 and an alkyl variation or halogen at position 5" (which is the equivalent of position 4 of the DOx series)
It turns out that one of these compounds has been made 4,7-dimethoxy-5-methyl-2-amino-indane, which is the 2-aminoindane homologue of DOM (2,5-dimethoxy-4-methyl-amphetamine)...
HOWEVER you could use position 5 of the 4,7-dimethoxy-5-X-2-amino-Indane in an analogous way to the 4 position of the 2,5-dimethoxy-4-X-amphetamines, creating an entire new series...you could even thionate position 4 and then begin to add alkyl substitutions to the sulfur atom creating another new series...

I'm sorry it was a bit hard for me to understand your questions I tried to answer them as best as I could...each individual explanation could equal.an entire lecture on my part, plus there's many many different topics you requested me to cover so I'm a bit sorry if I was all over the place.

I would be happy to answer any questions, but it helps if they are as direct as possible, and it helps to stick to one topic at a time.

I hope I could help.

-E. Borodin


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Re: dmt and salvia? [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21964022 - 07/19/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

How would you do this?
I mean if you do enough salvia to actually rival a DMT trip your a sobbing body on the floor or running into walls and screaming like a banshee, maybe do the DMT first and with some kind of superhuman resolve go in for the bongrip of 60x???


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Re: dmt and salvia? [Re: drege]
    #21964181 - 07/19/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)



This shows the pathway to meletonin from L-tryptophan, notice how the essential amino acid and the neurotransmitters produced from it are near identical to the tryptamine psychedelics, which are also produced from tryptophan.

Meletonin is further metabolized into pinoline, a beta-Carboline nearly identical to harmine, the key alkaloid in banisteriopsis caapi vine and peganum harmala seeds



In this image you can compare pinoline to the beta-Carbolines found in peganum harmala and banisteriopsis caapi.



And here you can compare ibogaine to pinoline and the beta Carbolines.

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Re: dmt and salvia? [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21964566 - 07/19/15 11:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm sorry it was a bit hard for me to understand your questions I tried to answer them as best as I could...each individual explanation could equal.an entire lecture on my part, plus there's many many different topics you requested me to cover so I'm a bit sorry if I was all over the place.




Ha nah you answered the most important ones and I think I'm on track.

Thanks dude and no you were a great help, and I enjoy reading your posts.


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Re: dmt and salvia? [Re: wolf8312]
    #21969655 - 07/20/15 08:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm sorry it was a bit hard for me to understand your questions I tried to answer them as best as I could...each individual explanation could equal.an entire lecture on my part, plus there's many many different topics you requested me to cover so I'm a bit sorry if I was all over the place.




Ha nah you answered the most important ones and I think I'm on track.

Thanks dude and no you were a great help, and I enjoy reading your posts.




Thank you! I'm glad I could help.

Below is some random information that may be useful for you .

I recommend you pick up a copy of Alexander shulgins PIHKAL and TIHKAL. The chemistry portions are online for free
https://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/pihkal/pihkal.shtml
But there's a front section to each book which is not available online and is packed with valuable information and leads, plus the first half is biographical and reads like a story, or series of stories, and is also packed with chemical information, as well as some entertaining anecdotes from the shulgins life. Regardless it's worth it to actually buy a copy of each book, I have had these books for years and I still find new information or leads every day, it's still providing new and helpful information after all these years, you can't say that about many books.

A German chemist named Daniel Trachsel recently published a work titled " Phenethylamine Von der Struktur zur Funktion" which is almost a continuation of shulgins work, the issue is that I can't find an English copy of the entire work, the translated portions I have gone over are great though.

This link covers the 2c-x series in a very understandable way, these compounds are phenethylamines, but their alpha-methylated (amphetamine) homologues exist as well, figured you may be interested due to your questions regarding psychedelic amphetamines.
http://countyourculture.com/2010/09/28/the-halogenated-2cs/

-E. Borodin


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Re: dmt and salvia? [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21974958 - 07/21/15 09:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

http://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=aBD0hmlW1SM

The video above was posted for lessismore, I hope it can provide you with a better understanding of entheogens. It starts off a little slow and takes a minute before it begins discussing entheogens in a way that relates to the conversations we have had in this and other threads, but over all I'd say it would be a good basic introduction to learning about entheogenic shamanism, nothing really advanced or overly technical, just very basic explanations of shamanism, entheogens and their use.

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Re: dmt and salvia? [Re: oontribe]
    #21974997 - 07/21/15 10:04 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

DMT is supposedly more euphoric and I would hope so, my last experience with salvia wasnt very enjoyable...


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Re: dmt and salvia? [Re: dannydarko]
    #21976426 - 07/21/15 04:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I would say it is a mistake to want your mind opening experience to be enjoyable

Mushroom/LSD egodeath is rarely enjoyable

meditating is rarely enjoyable at first, you become scared of the nothingness, and why you are not seeing something when everyone else is seeing god, you want to see the same as others


But how can we trip for ourselves?
Only by not wanting to experience/see what others see

Then the unpleasant Salvia route may work fine ?;-) - Maybe I'll give it a try again one day
It has been somewhat neutral for me like lucid dreams, but they still expand the mind it seems to some extent (at least I think so)
If I had never had any lucid dreams my life would be much much different, so even though they usually are unpleasant, I wouldn't be without them


Same may be for Salvia , often unpleasant, but rarely regretted after smoking (I always wonder why I didn't do it earlier)


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Re: dmt and salvia? [Re: lessismore]
    #21976442 - 07/21/15 04:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Oxycodone is enjoyable ..  I heard :-)


We should never seek expansion just by pleasure, pleasure is often our enemy
Desires and wantings can hold us back from expanding our minds (they can bring addiction or strengthen the ego - because the ego lives to 'want' stuff).


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Re: dmt and salvia? [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21993949 - 07/25/15 07:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Coincidentiaoppositorum said:
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wolf8312 said:
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I'm sorry it was a bit hard for me to understand your questions I tried to answer them as best as I could...each individual explanation could equal.an entire lecture on my part, plus there's many many different topics you requested me to cover so I'm a bit sorry if I was all over the place.




Ha nah you answered the most important ones and I think I'm on track.

Thanks dude and no you were a great help, and I enjoy reading your posts.




Thank you! I'm glad I could help.

Below is some random information that may be useful for you .

I recommend you pick up a copy of Alexander shulgins PIHKAL and TIHKAL. The chemistry portions are online for free
https://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/pihkal/pihkal.shtml
But there's a front section to each book which is not available online and is packed with valuable information and leads, plus the first half is biographical and reads like a story, or series of stories, and is also packed with chemical information, as well as some entertaining anecdotes from the shulgins life. Regardless it's worth it to actually buy a copy of each book, I have had these books for years and I still find new information or leads every day, it's still providing new and helpful information after all these years, you can't say that about many books.

A German chemist named Daniel Trachsel recently published a work titled " Phenethylamine Von der Struktur zur Funktion" which is almost a continuation of shulgins work, the issue is that I can't find an English copy of the entire work, the translated portions I have gone over are great though.

This link covers the 2c-x series in a very understandable way, these compounds are phenethylamines, but their alpha-methylated (amphetamine) homologues exist as well, figured you may be interested due to your questions regarding psychedelic amphetamines.
http://countyourculture.com/2010/09/28/the-halogenated-2cs/

-E. Borodin




Thanks dude, sorry I didnt get back to you sooner.

Pihkal at this stage is a little, or lets be honest, totally out of my league I'm afraid. I am probably going to buy it for my iPad though because I can see it could teach me alot. I guess that what its telling me is not really much dissimilar to any of the reactions that I study every day but my nomenclature has huge gaps in it especially with phenyl groups as substituents and there are also many reagents that I am not familiar with being used. I guess I need to do a bit more crawling yet before I can walk!

I have seen a book online that is basically a reference book for reagents perhaps I should buy it. I am plenty busy though and slowly working through the 2nd semester topics of organic chemistry as a second language(half way through), but its hard to know where I am exactly and what I should do when finished with these books. I guess then its onto problems problems problems! 

I need to allocate more time to nomenclature to be honest as reading Pihkal really makes me realize how vital it is to be able to read a compounds name and quickly determine its structure but at this present time I am much too slow and lacking in confidence.

I am not sure that such a book exists but what I would love to find is a book like Pihkal but with drawings of all of the reaction mechanisms and reagents drawn out in diagrams! I guess I just got to be patient as I am still on the basics. This week I finally got through amines (imines hydrazone oxime) and some C nucleophiles and was feeling pretty good! A quick glance at Pihkal brought me crashing back down to earth though! I downloaded a book the other day called 'the art of problem solving in organic chemistry' and hoped it would provide some extra problems to solve in Ochem in the same manner of Ochem as a second language.

It was though graduate level and fricking ridiculous!

What worries me is at the moment my job affords me time that I doubt I will have in the future. I just hope I reach Moscow before the winter sets in! I have a feeling already that things are really getting easier and my instincts for how reactions will go are improving, I just hope I can build a solid enough foundation of knowledge so that in future I needn't spend 5 hours or more a day on it!

I best stop rambling on here dude! :hatsoff:


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Edited by wolf8312 (07/25/15 09:20 AM)


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