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dmt and salvia?
    #21940786 - 07/14/15 06:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

from reports:
both of em can induce OOBE, entities, places and the experience doesnt last long
but dmt can show alot of geometrical visuals.

yea i know they are not purely recreational but which is more euphoric?

what is the major differences between em?


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Re: dmt and salvia? [Re: oontribe] * 1
    #21940867 - 07/14/15 07:26 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

DMT is more euphoric... salvia is awkward and bizzare


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Re: dmt and salvia? [Re: AIRDOG] * 1
    #21940916 - 07/14/15 07:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Salvia is like the Ketamine of psychedelics. It gives weird body sensations like forces pulling you in directions. It's a really weird experience. For me it splits the universe in half and I get stuck in the void.

DMT is a lot more mushroom-like, just way more powerful.


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Re: dmt and salvia? [Re: Artnotwar] * 1
    #21940950 - 07/14/15 07:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

salvia is dark and scary

dmt is peace and light.


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Re: dmt and salvia? [Re: rxb]
    #21941146 - 07/14/15 08:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

what if you smoked both? my theory is your face would melt.


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Re: dmt and salvia? [Re: Tweakz]
    #21941148 - 07/14/15 08:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i've HEARD that the dmt wins.


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Re: dmt and salvia? [Re: rxb]
    #21941191 - 07/14/15 09:03 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

They are totally different but share some commonalities at least on paper.

Both share the curious 'break through' phenomenon and have rabbit holes that often require quite a bit of burrowing to find.

Both seem to take one to some sort of universal machine and will leave you questioning the validity of pretty much everything.

They are both 'real' experiences, and almost impossible to dismiss as mere hallucination at least while traveling.

They are both relatively harmless with awesome potency although despite the fact that salvia scared the shit out of me DMT was way more intense. Would be interesting to hear what others say about this.

Did you find salvia to be anywhere near as intense as the universe explode and imploding intensity that comes with DMT?

For myself I didnt though I experienced almost complete ego loss with salvia and almost none with DMT.

DMT is a psychedelic Salvia is not (at all). You'll understand this much better if you have experienced for yourself what a truly psychedelic drug is, in comparison to one that is not, as the dictionary definition of 'psychedelic' and many hallucinogens can often seem almost identical on paper (mind maifestingetc).

There's another thread going right now in which I spent quite a bit of time talking about the differences between DMT and salvia, and despite how utterly different they are in how we experience them there is something about them that is very similar.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21855993/fpart/2/vc/1#21855993


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Re: dmt and salvia? [Re: wolf8312]
    #21941424 - 07/14/15 10:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

DMT is more profound, with far deeper implications.

Salvinorin-a is a kappa opioid receptor agonist, so it comes with this prickly feeling of rushing water running over my body. With salvinorin-a I feel "fuzzed out", I don't feel I'm mentally functioning properly.
I encounter entities more often on salvinorin-A but they are often whacky, Looney-tunes cartoon like elf beings...

Here's an experience report from salvinorin-A:

I had just obtained the salvinorin-a and went into a tunnel where I often smoke marijuana, it's an isolated place, no worries about the public or police. I loaded a fairly large bowl of the salvinorin-a infused leaf into my marijuana pipe and cashed it in a single hit...
The bricks on the wall began to form a pyramid like structure in my visual field, a rush of cold pins and needles moved over my skin as I slowly lost contact with my body and the outside world, the pyramid structure became more defined, it was an Aztec pyramid, with vines and jungle surrounding it. I looked around I saw I was surrounded by small creatures, they were shaped like upside down horse-shoes or like a lower-case letter "n", they had feet at each point of the "n" shape of their body, large black eyes, and funny little arm like appendages that were warped around a stick which was resting across their "shoulders" with a bucket full of water on either end of the stick. All these little beings were carrying these pales of water up the pyramid steps. The communicated in this squeaky high-pitch ossiclation of frequencies which were packed with telepathic significance, I followed them to the top of the pyramid, where a river was running down the back, they were all dumping their buckets f water into this river, which I jumped into, I felt wet, and blind, and as if I were falling...then I came back to baseline reality.

Another time I smoked in my friends garage, after I exhaled I saw a multicolored river pouring over the white van that was parked next to me, this river type thing began at the top of the shelf and at its mouth sat several of these whacky, goofy, constantly moving and jumping and bouncing and making noise elf type creatures, all their bodies had odd shapes, one was shaped similar to a pipe wrench, the other was several odd angles all intersecting, it's hard to describe them, but I realized they were throwing this color changing rainbow like stuff into the "river" that was pouring down the shelf over the vans windshield and roof like wind, and out the garage door, these creatures were again squeaky and load. They having their own insane party of coloring this river...
Again, very very bizzare, but not life changing or very meaningful

..this is a quick description of my first DMT experience for comparison:

the first time I smoked DMT it was 200mgs yellow crystal on top of high-grade marijuana, I cleared it in a single hit. I remember feeling like I was at the bottom of a foggy mountain with dirt roads, I was overcome with an intense feeling of panic and deja-vu, I felt like a lost child, everything I knew about who I was or my life or earth seemed like a distant dream, like I dissolved out of existence, I interpreted this as dying, I knew that I was dead, and I was emotionally overwhelmed  while confronting the event of my death....I could not tell if I was breathing or not, I would take air in, but couldn't feel it, then noticed a pain in my chest, a giant mantis like being had its claws in my chest, it proceeded to tear open my chest and stomach removing all my organs and insides, I was about to go into shock when I saw a bright green light flash over my shoulder, it nearly hit me, it then became a beautiful geometric object, morphing and color changing, like a jewel from hyperspace, the mantis then put this object in my torn up body, he began to make billions of these objects, each one unique and radiating beautiful colored light ans he filled my body with them, then I was sealed up and propelled into an orange light where I was resurrected...then I felt as if I was being pushed through a membrane, I was being born....then back to reality....those who were there said in reality I curled up into a ball and began to cry for 20 minutes, I was wondering why my face was wet, because it felt like I had actually just went through being born...any way the immense deep spiritual and psychological implications of this experience left me for ever transformed, reborn as a new person entirely, it was the single most meaningful thing that has ever happened to me.

...where as with salvia, it was bizzare, and I learn from it, but it was nothing like DMT, it lacks the meaning of experience and deep implications, I smoked salvia long before I smoked DMT, my salvia experiences didn't have the effect that DMT did in Any way, so while they may both produce quick and intense psychedelia with out of body experiences and entity contact, I still feel there are some core differences which separate these compounds from one another, and in many ways they are nothing alike.

salvinorin-a was inducing bizzare, out of body type experiences, it completely lacked the transformative profound transcendental qualities of the DMT experience.

Though I still find salvinorin-a to be useful for certain types of exploration, it doesn't seem real, it's easy to accept the experience as chemically induced, you don't feel sober. While with DMT I generally feel exactly the same as I did before I broke through only the world around has been transformed, it's hard to accept DMT as a simple chemical reaction in the mind, it's real, whatever that means, DMT is very real.


Keep in mind this is just me, others may feel differently.

(I wrote the experience reports as quickly as possible to save space on the thread, in reality every experience was much more detailed, I could fill pages regarding any of these events be them DMT or salvia, I know the shorter you cut your stories the less effective they become, these experiences are very hard to translate into human language as it is, so you must be as descriptive as possible, but here was not the time or place, I hope I made the point effectively with out removing so much detail that they become in effective as examples.)


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Re: dmt and salvia? [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21941651 - 07/14/15 11:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Salvia makes me perspire SO much that the experience is uncomfortable. In fact, it's uncomfortable on many levels.
It's an erratic experience that boggles the brain and definitely does not let you absorb the most you can from the experience. It's rough and almost abusive, in my opinion.

DMT is by far more profound, euphoric, and enlightening. I used to be a HUGE advocate of salvia until I found DMT. I turned my back on salvia forever the very first time I smoked DMT.
I can procure it in large amounts and the experience is so far above any other psychedelic, it's hard to explain.

Only others who have actually smoked it and have had a legit breakthrough understand what DMT brings to the table.


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Re: dmt and salvia? [Re: natedawgnow]
    #21942628 - 07/14/15 04:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

you guys that dont like it have never smoked plain leaf and dosed properly. i seriously think the extracts are for people who are VERY experienced with this substance yet first timers use it commonly. that is why people freak out, this substance is POTENT. You can find comfort in the experience if done right.


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Re: dmt and salvia? [Re: wolf8312]
    #21942651 - 07/14/15 04:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

wolf8312 said:
They are totally different but share some commonalities at least on paper.

Both share the curious 'break through' phenomenon and have rabbit holes that often require quite a bit of burrowing to find.

Both seem to take one to some sort of universal machine and will leave you questioning the validity of pretty much everything.

They are both 'real' experiences, and almost impossible to dismiss as mere hallucination at least while traveling.

They are both relatively harmless with awesome potency although despite the fact that salvia scared the shit out of me DMT was way more intense. Would be interesting to hear what others say about this.

Did you find salvia to be anywhere near as intense as the universe explode and imploding intensity that comes with DMT?

For myself I didnt though I experienced almost complete ego loss with salvia and almost none with DMT.

DMT is a psychedelic Salvia is not (at all). You'll understand this much better if you have experienced for yourself what a truly psychedelic drug is, in comparison to one that is not, as the dictionary definition of 'psychedelic' and many hallucinogens can often seem almost identical on paper (mind maifestingetc).

There's another thread going right now in which I spent quite a bit of time talking about the differences between DMT and salvia, and despite how utterly different they are in how we experience them there is something about them that is very similar.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21855993/fpart/2/vc/1#21855993




Salvia feels psychedelic 95% to me, almost like a normal psychedelic

Just no stimulation, but I don't need my emotions stimulated to feel psychedelic

It's the strongest psychedelic in the world iirc, or else it's DMT. It's strong enough to take you out of your room everytime you take a puff of 20x

It will also make your carpet/hands look awesome like LSD

Thoughts will change after the trip, either good or bad, it makes everything new to look at often too like traditional psychedelics, so you notice the beauty of nature or ordinary household items ;-)

It formats the brain in some way, very very hard to describe ... not sure what it does, but it does something

Usually changed thoughts... , can add confusion too

Ordinary psychedelics can also add confusion. Salvia is neither good or bad, it's very hard to describe as it doesn't change your emotions like ordinary ones..

Out of body, weird pulling, melting skin, morphing into objects, talking to your couch and people who are not there, time travel to your past, is very normal - people appearing you know who are not there, and you talk to them


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Re: dmt and salvia? [Re: lessismore]
    #21942668 - 07/14/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The real great thing about Salvia is it's the coolest social psychedelic I've tried ever, makes me laugh 1000x harder than on the best weed cookies/the best weed/the best mushrooms

You laugh for like 5-10mins in a row, you cant stop, very funny ;-P

Everytime

It's just epic, good medicine that way


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Re: dmt and salvia? [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
    #21942670 - 07/14/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I had a lot of experience with salvia. A LOT. I never had any sort of freak out from smoking salvia, but It was uncomfortable,
the profuse sweating is uncomfortable on my skin as well and it takes away from my experience.

DMT is just, for me, so far beyond anything salvia has brought to my table. Not saying it is not a great molecule or psychedelic. Just my opinion.


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Re: dmt and salvia? [Re: natedawgnow]
    #21942685 - 07/14/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

oh i see the sweating thing never bothered me at all with salvia.


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Re: dmt and salvia? [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
    #21942712 - 07/14/15 04:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I would come down from an experience completely soaked. And it's just fuzzy in nature to me.

DMT is crisp, clean, and so far out of this dimension it's difficult to comprehend. I had smoked a lot of salvia and eaten a lot of mushrooms and L before I smoked DMT the first time.
I thought I knew what psychedelics were about and what they had to offer to me mentally, physically, spiritually, and emotionally.
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Re: dmt and salvia? [Re: lessismore]
    #21942720 - 07/14/15 04:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yes I agree with 'bizarre' fits Salvia very well

I once had a pulling of ropes, then floating on a river experience there

I once had a becoming a windmill experience

and many other weird objects...

It will take any random memory in your subconscious and make you that, I went to another space where I could walk around and touch the walls, I kept returning to this parking lot when I smoked it in my couch

It's very cold in this parking lot..


If you lay in bed and smoke it, remember to bring extra clothes, I keep returning to this salvia space/parking lot :-P
and it's always pretty cold out there, I didn't expect to go outside when I sat in my living room

but everytime I am outside when I smoke 20x...

Like going out your door and out to a parking lot, you can walk around there and touch and talk to people there

Just no jacket on... so cold


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Re: dmt and salvia? [Re: lessismore]
    #21942735 - 07/14/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Others have reported becoming a fish and thinking they were drowning :wink:

There's like 100 videos of Salvia on youtube, very interesting, very interesting molecule too, I like it, but it will scare you away from smoking it more often than once a year or so likely

That scaring away can be a good thing, a psychedelic that makes you crave it is usually not a good one


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Re: dmt and salvia? [Re: natedawgnow]
    #21946288 - 07/15/15 08:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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natedawgnow said:
I had a lot of experience with salvia. A LOT. I never had any sort of freak out from smoking salvia, but It was uncomfortable,
the profuse sweating is uncomfortable on my skin as well and it takes away from my experience.

DMT is just, for me, so far beyond anything salvia has brought to my table. Not saying it is not a great molecule or psychedelic. Just my opinion.




I argree, with salvia there is this uncomfortable skin sensation that I always interpret as a river washing over me...strangely enough all my salvia hallucinations involve rivers, salvia even introduced itself to me as "the water teacher"...any way mentally I feel fuzzed out, it's obvious you ingested a drug, and it's difficult to generate or obtain gnosis or meaning from the experience...without the profound implications and lessons the ordeal doesn't seem worth it, and DMT is an ordeal as well, but it's a transformative, spiritual, and deeply meaningful ordeal, while salvia is more like mental fireworks, it's a great show, but it's hard to derive much from it.

I have quidded raw leaf, I have tried extract of every strength, I have extracted my own from leaf, the problem is with me not the molecule, it doesn't mix with my intellectual constructs properly, it doesn't seem to induce intellectual stimulation or divine information, it's uncomfortable physically and mentally.

....I'm not saying any bad about salvia, it can be great for what it is, just "what it is" is not for me...

I'm for sure a DMT person, though I don't regret using salvia.




Salvinorin-a is a kappa opioid receptor agonist, it shares no relation to any psychedelic (except THC) chemically, it also shares no relation to any endogenous neurotransmitter, where DMT, LSD, mescaline, psilocin, psilocybin, harmine, etc..are all either tryptamines or phenethylamines, neurotransmitter similar and are alkaloids as well...salvinorin-a contains no nitrogen atoms, it's not an amine or alkaloid, it's a terpenoid hydrocarbon...it's an interesting molecule in psychedelia, as well as its history, it's suspected that salvia divinorum is a cultivar, and didn't exist in nature, it's bizzare all the way around...

-E. Borodin


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Re: dmt and salvia? [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21946833 - 07/15/15 11:09 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Could not have said it better myself.
These are my exact thoughts on salvia as a psychedelic experience.


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Re: dmt and salvia? [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21946844 - 07/15/15 11:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I argree, with salvia there is this uncomfortable skin sensation that I always interpret as a river washing over me.




To me, it feels like I am a drop of water dripping down the stem of a flower.


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