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evileye001
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how god should be viewed.
#21940415 - 07/14/15 02:26 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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long time member, lurker and rare poster but a late night entry is over due. shurley god is overly discussed here but this is my simple take to improve all peoples outlook.
i am not religious but i deny being atheist. for one simple reason... if you could describe all religions into a sentence or two what would it be? be the best person you could. follow the golden rule and do on to other as you would have them do to you. if i could define my religion the closest thing i could find would be agnostic.
ag·nos·tic aɡˈnästik/ noun noun: agnostic; plural noun: agnostics
1. a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God
ok thats broad but gives a brief description.
for a moment pretend you are god. we are after all created in his image so your thinking is not so different from his right? you are god, all knowing and all powerful. why is your ego so huge that your creation must except you? any one who excepts you regardless of your religion as long as you except THAT god and follow the rules your ok. why is his ego so large? if i was god i could care less who you "accept" and only your morals will determine if you would be accepted. i could care less who you do or dont worship as long as i as god deem you worthy to join my heaven. god would never send innocent people to hell for ignorance or even there disbelief would not stop your contribution to "heaven"
we may all just die and rot in the ground or there may be a creator and a afterlife. regardless of what you believe soly your actions will determine if there is a afterlife.
my definition of agnostic.
agnostic: a person who believes that regardless whether god exists or not that such a being would only judge you on your overall decisions on life and not your belief in him.
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Re: how god should be viewed. [Re: evileye001]
#21940440 - 07/14/15 02:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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lots of peeps like to say things like, "oh well if there is a god why does he kill innocent people, children, etc..?"
well my answer to that is, he doesnt kill innocent people, he doesnt have to, we kill ourselves
yea it's like, god doesnt have to punish us, we punish ourselves
maybe god's just there to tell us what is going to happen if we do bad
because sometimes being good is not enough
there is so much shit out there, u ever heard the phrase "like walking on a razors edge"?, well that's exactly how i think it is, an edge so sharp any wrong move can cost u to lose ur balance and fall..
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Re: how god should be viewed. [Re: zZZz] 2
#21940629 - 07/14/15 04:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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a person who believes that regardless whether god exists or not that such a being would only judge you on your overall decisions on life and not your belief in him.
So you think you can read the mind of a being who may not exist. That's even nuttier than the people who think he's real.
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Re: how god should be viewed. [Re: koods]
#21940633 - 07/14/15 05:00 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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god is a 6 pack of bluebarry muffins
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God should be viewed as an entity or force that you can't know anything about.
If you think more then that, at least acknowledge it's faith and don't act like you know anything, because no one does when it comes to the existence of a god.
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Re: how god should be viewed. [Re: evileye001]
#21940790 - 07/14/15 06:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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evileye001 said: my definition of agnostic.
agnostic: a person who believes that regardless whether god exists or not that such a being would only judge you on your overall decisions on life and not your belief in him.
I believe the universe is God and you are the universe in an infant state.
You will sit in judgement over your own sins, but as its all Gods Will it is all Karma. No punishment, only hardship and reward. We eternally are on our way to become God, more and more whole, and when we are One, divide up that unity and become the Many again.
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Re: how god should be viewed. [Re: Asante]
#21940808 - 07/14/15 07:00 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Asante said: I believe the universe is God
This is what I think god is. God is everything that is, everything that has been, and everything that ever will be. Universe is god.
God is not a magic man that lives in the sky. We are god. That six pack of muffins is god.
People think that god is a higher power because god (or the universe, whichever you want to call it) has laws we cannot defy.
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Re: how god should be viewed. [Re: Artnotwar]
#21940827 - 07/14/15 07:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I believe that there is ONE superstring and that each vibration creates the illusion of a doubling of that string into the vibrational and antivibrational direction. I beleive 10100000 permutations are possible and that they all seem to occur in proxoimity.
I believe ONE SINGLE SUPERSTRING constututes the entire multiverse and everything in it.
YOU ARE THAT SUPERSTRING AND ALL ITS ILLUSORY DERIVATIVES. YOUR SEQUENCE OF LIVES IS FROM THE ONE TO THE MANY TO THE ONE AGAIN FOR ALL ETERNITY.
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SirShroomsAlott said: God should be viewed as an entity or force that you can't know anything about.
If you think more then that, at least acknowledge it's faith and don't act like you know anything, because no one does when it comes to the existence of a god.
Is it possible that some people actually have a direct experience with God? A powerful spiritual encounter that they interpret as mano a mano with the big guy?
Science may explain that away as some kind of brain chemical thingamabobber … but that doesn't mean the experience, for that person, is not real.
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Re: how god should be viewed. [Re: KauaiOrca]
#21940844 - 07/14/15 07:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Is it possible that some people actually have a direct experience with God? A powerful spiritual encounter that they interpret as mano a mano with the big guy?
I do. Manyt religions insist that God van be spoken with within yourself, as one of the many voices of inner dialogue. I experience this first hand, waking or dreaming, high or sober.
It is IMMENSELY reassuring and comforting. It is wiser than me and lets me be me in every way. No guilt trip, total acceptance.
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Re: how god should be viewed. [Re: Asante]
#21940870 - 07/14/15 07:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Asante said:
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Is it possible that some people actually have a direct experience with God? A powerful spiritual encounter that they interpret as mano a mano with the big guy?
I do. Manyt religions insist that God van be spoken with within yourself, as one of the many voices of inner dialogue. I experience this first hand, waking or dreaming, high or sober.
It is IMMENSELY reassuring and comforting. It is wiser than me and lets me be me in every way. No guilt trip, total acceptance.
Those that don't believe in or have never had a direct experience with God are simply not in a very good position to understand what God even is. There are many, many people on our planet that have had a powerful direct experience with the thing they call God. Who am I to tell them they are mistaken?
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Re: how god should be viewed. [Re: zZZz] 1
#21940914 - 07/14/15 07:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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zZZz said: lots of peeps like to say things like, "oh well if there is a god why does he kill innocent people, children, etc..?"
well my answer to that is, he doesnt kill innocent people, he doesnt have to, we kill ourselves
so the child with cancer did it to himself
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Re: how god should be viewed. [Re: Asante]
#21940935 - 07/14/15 07:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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evileye001 said: my definition of agnostic.
agnostic: a person who believes that regardless whether god exists or not that such a being would only judge you on your overall decisions on life and not your belief in him.
I believe the universe is God and you are the universe in an infant state.
You will sit in judgement over your own sins, but as its all Gods Will it is all Karma. No punishment, only hardship and reward. We eternally are on our way to become God, more and more whole, and when we are One, divide up that unity and become the Many again.
i sometimes get some very strange looks when i explain this to people. seems like we have very similar beliefs
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By: Andy Weir
You were on your way home when you died.
It was a car accident. Nothing particularly remarkable, but fatal nonetheless. You left behind a wife and two children. It was a painless death. The EMTs tried their best to save you, but to no avail. Your body was so utterly shattered you were better off, trust me.
And that’s when you met me.
“What… what happened?” You asked. “Where am I?”
“You died,” I said, matter-of-factly. No point in mincing words.
“There was a… a truck and it was skidding…”
“Yup,” I said.
“I… I died?”
“Yup. But don’t feel bad about it. Everyone dies,” I said.
You looked around. There was nothingness. Just you and me. “What is this place?” You asked. “Is this the afterlife?”
“More or less,” I said.
“Are you god?” You asked.
“Yup,” I replied. “I’m God.”
“My kids… my wife,” you said.
“What about them?”
“Will they be all right?”
“That’s what I like to see,” I said. “You just died and your main concern is for your family. That’s good stuff right there.”
You looked at me with fascination. To you, I didn’t look like God. I just looked like some man. Or possibly a woman. Some vague authority figure, maybe. More of a grammar school teacher than the almighty.
“Don’t worry,” I said. “They’ll be fine. Your kids will remember you as perfect in every way. They didn’t have time to grow contempt for you. Your wife will cry on the outside, but will be secretly relieved. To be fair, your marriage was falling apart. If it’s any consolation, she’ll feel very guilty for feeling relieved.”
“Oh,” you said. “So what happens now? Do I go to heaven or hell or something?”
“Neither,” I said. “You’ll be reincarnated.”
“Ah,” you said. “So the Hindus were right,”
“All religions are right in their own way,” I said. “Walk with me.”
You followed along as we strode through the void. “Where are we going?”
“Nowhere in particular,” I said. “It’s just nice to walk while we talk.”
“So what’s the point, then?” You asked. “When I get reborn, I’ll just be a blank slate, right? A baby. So all my experiences and everything I did in this life won’t matter.”
“Not so!” I said. “You have within you all the knowledge and experiences of all your past lives. You just don’t remember them right now.”
I stopped walking and took you by the shoulders. “Your soul is more magnificent, beautiful, and gigantic than you can possibly imagine. A human mind can only contain a tiny fraction of what you are. It’s like sticking your finger in a glass of water to see if it’s hot or cold. You put a tiny part of yourself into the vessel, and when you bring it back out, you’ve gained all the experiences it had.
“You’ve been in a human for the last 48 years, so you haven’t stretched out yet and felt the rest of your immense consciousness. If we hung out here for long enough, you’d start remembering everything. But there’s no point to doing that between each life.”
“How many times have I been reincarnated, then?”
“Oh lots. Lots and lots. An in to lots of different lives.” I said. “This time around, you’ll be a Chinese peasant girl in 540 AD.”
“Wait, what?” You stammered. “You’re sending me back in time?”
“Well, I guess technically. Time, as you know it, only exists in your universe. Things are different where I come from.”
“Where you come from?” You said.
“Oh sure,” I explained “I come from somewhere. Somewhere else. And there are others like me. I know you’ll want to know what it’s like there, but honestly you wouldn’t understand.”
“Oh,” you said, a little let down. “But wait. If I get reincarnated to other places in time, I could have interacted with myself at some point.”
“Sure. Happens all the time. And with both lives only aware of their own lifespan you don’t even know it’s happening.”
“So what’s the point of it all?”
“Seriously?” I asked. “Seriously? You’re asking me for the meaning of life? Isn’t that a little stereotypical?”
“Well it’s a reasonable question,” you persisted.
I looked you in the eye. “The meaning of life, the reason I made this whole universe, is for you to mature.”
“You mean mankind? You want us to mature?”
“No, just you. I made this whole universe for you. With each new life you grow and mature and become a larger and greater intellect.”
“Just me? What about everyone else?”
“There is no one else,” I said. “In this universe, there’s just you and me.”
You stared blankly at me. “But all the people on earth…”
“All you. Different incarnations of you.”
“Wait. I’m everyone!?”
“Now you’re getting it,” I said, with a congratulatory slap on the back.
“I’m every human being who ever lived?”
“Or who will ever live, yes.”
“I’m Abraham Lincoln?”
“And you’re John Wilkes Booth, too,” I added.
“I’m Hitler?” You said, appalled.
“And you’re the millions he killed.”
“I’m Jesus?”
“And you’re everyone who followed him.”
You fell silent.
“Every time you victimized someone,” I said, “you were victimizing yourself. Every act of kindness you’ve done, you’ve done to yourself. Every happy and sad moment ever experienced by any human was, or will be, experienced by you.”
You thought for a long time.
“Why?” You asked me. “Why do all this?”
“Because someday, you will become like me. Because that’s what you are. You’re one of my kind. You’re my child.”
“Whoa,” you said, incredulous. “You mean I’m a god?”
“No. Not yet. You’re a fetus. You’re still growing. Once you’ve lived every human life throughout all time, you will have grown enough to be born.”
“So the whole universe,” you said, “it’s just…”
“An egg.” I answered. “Now it’s time for you to move on to your next life.”
And I sent you on your way.
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Re: how god should be viewed. [Re: KauaiOrca]
#21941309 - 07/14/15 09:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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SirShroomsAlott said: God should be viewed as an entity or force that you can't know anything about.
If you think more then that, at least acknowledge it's faith and don't act like you know anything, because no one does when it comes to the existence of a god.
Is it possible that some people actually have a direct experience with God? A powerful spiritual encounter that they interpret as mano a mano with the big guy?
Science may explain that away as some kind of brain chemical thingamabobber … but that doesn't mean the experience, for that person, is not real.
A schizophrenics reality is just as real as mine and yours is to us, but I don't actually believe the ones claiming to be Jesus. The experience may have been just as real to them as anything else, it still isn't, it's the illusion/delusion of knowing god at that point
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Re: how god should be viewed. [Re: zZZz]
#21941395 - 07/14/15 10:04 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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zZZz said: lots of peeps like to say things like, "oh well if there is a god why does he kill innocent people, children, etc..?"
well my answer to that is, he doesnt kill innocent people, he doesnt have to, we kill ourselves
yea it's like, god doesnt have to punish us, we punish ourselves
People say that because they live with a false sense of feeling that the universe has us in mind, all life dies with no bias it seems. Young,old, doesn't matter, in order for people to ask that, they'd have to know the intentions In which god made life in the first place and that we have an important part of that intention.
With life most likely being abundant throufhout the universe,we might just be an irrelevant part of a giant experiment, or a billion other things we'll never kn9w. But to ask why God let's children die, almost implies that they think our petty thoughts and beliefs are important to whatever reason life originated in the first place, when really we could just be a small part of a much larger plan.
When we find out what the purpose behind all life is, I'll entertain that question more seriously, until then it just shows ignorance and human bias.
"Why should god let US die if we're innocent, clearly we're so much better then all other thing that live that we shouldn't be subject to the same cruelties life throws at all living creatures"
Religion has twisted what God is or might be. Giving most people a false sense of how important they really are, while being told god cares about them personally, and questions like what you said people ask prove how ignorant and restricted we are in what we think god is or could be. It seems people believe the answer either has to be were super important to him, or he doesn't exist it seems, and both are very limiting and depressing to be restricted to just those two possibilities.
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Re: how god should be viewed. [Re: Asante]
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i like that story asante
-------------------- I fucking hate you... God damn, I love you... But we both know if we stick together, we'll just tear ourselves apart You are my sunshine, my only sunshine, you make me happy, when skies are grey You are my heroin, but there's an abscess... God damn, I miss the vein!
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I don't try to describe God....as soon as you try, you limit God.
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evileye001 said: my definition of agnostic.
agnostic: a person who believes that regardless whether god exists or not that such a being would only judge you on your overall decisions on life and not your belief in him.
I believe the universe is God and you are the universe in an infant state.
You will sit in judgement over your own sins, but as its all Gods Will it is all Karma. No punishment, only hardship and reward. We eternally are on our way to become God, more and more whole, and when we are One, divide up that unity and become the Many again.
i sometimes get some very strange looks when i explain this to people. seems like we have very similar beliefs 
I'm sure he gets strange looks as well. My response? "Alrighty then" and walk away as politely as possible.
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Re: how god should be viewed. [Re: evileye001]
#21941954 - 07/14/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think people shouldn't let religion seep into their every day lives too often. I believe religion/spirituality exists but how can a god expect you to know who it is if you have never met it, let alone expect you to pray to it?
I believe when we die, "something" happens, whether it be reincarnation, after life, void, etc
But I wont devote my own time praying to some god that may not even exist
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