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Re: Donald Trump Allegedly Receives Death Threats from Mexican Drug Lord El Chapo's Son [Re: Prisoner#1]
#21946681 - 07/15/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm not. He definitely doesn't mind, though.
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Re: Donald Trump Allegedly Receives Death Threats from Mexican Drug Lord El Chapo's Son [Re: Herbologist]
#21947488 - 07/15/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Donald Trump Allegedly Receives Death Threats from Mexican Drug Lord El Chapo's Son [Re: Herbologist]
#21947593 - 07/15/15 02:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Everybody who doesn't make and pay taxes in the top 20% of income brackets is free riding in some fashion. This is exacerbated if they have children. The illegals often work for cash and none of them make enough to pay taxes. Freeloaders. We have our own freeloaders, thank you, we don't need foreign freeloaders.
They also don't take advantage of any government aide or benefits available to legal residents. Naw they just work shitty jobs at low wages and ling hours or as some people,e call it, a free ride.
Nope.
If some illegal comes here an haves a kid, all the sudden she has a "U.S. Citizen" so now that family is going to receive food stamps and public housing all on our dime and whatever the fuck else Obummer thinks they deserve.
Just FYI but that is the whole point of America. My father was here on an F1 student visa as an immigrant when his children were born in the states. Somebody in your own family migrated here and had kids and that is what gave them the right to stay here. It never became a problem until Mexicans started doing it.
In fact, almost all of immigration law has been founded upon some type of systemic racism. For example, the USA always had open borders while European immigrants were coming here. It wasn't until Chinese immigrants started coming was when the very first immigration laws started becoming put in place.
Also according to current immigration law, the parents of that child who is a US citizen are only allowed to stay until age 18. If they do not file for legal papers (or are not accepted for legal status) they must return back to their country once the child is 18.
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Re: Donald Trump Allegedly Receives Death Threats from Mexican Drug Lord El Chapo's Son [Re: Crystal G]
#21947602 - 07/15/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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An F1 student visa.. so you're saying he did the move legally?
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Re: Donald Trump Allegedly Receives Death Threats from Mexican Drug Lord El Chapo's Son [Re: Amanita86]
#21947614 - 07/15/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Amanita86 said: An F1 student visa.. so you're saying he did the move legally?
An F1 student visa allows you to stay here legally, but it is only temporary until you are finishing school or university or whatever. (At the time he was completing his PhD.) You're given the same rights and length of time to stay here as if you were under a temporary work visa.
Technically that would make me an "anchor baby," now wouldn't it? Wouldn't that make almost all of us "anchor babies?"
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Re: Donald Trump Allegedly Receives Death Threats from Mexican Drug Lord El Chapo's Son [Re: Crystal G]
#21947618 - 07/15/15 02:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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No
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1924
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The law was primarily aimed at further restricting immigration of Southern Europeans[who?] and Eastern Europeans
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Re: Donald Trump Allegedly Receives Death Threats from Mexican Drug Lord El Chapo's Son [Re: zappaisgod]
#21947634 - 07/15/15 02:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1924
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The law was primarily aimed at further restricting immigration of Southern Europeans[who?] and Eastern Europeans
I visited Ellis Island and the museum there states that it was the Chinese first coming in that prompted the very first immigration laws.
It's true, Eastern Europeans and certain types of Europeans (such as the Irish) were also heavily discriminated against as well, but the law was primarily aimed at African and Chinese immigrants.
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Re: Donald Trump Allegedly Receives Death Threats from Mexican Drug Lord El Chapo's Son [Re: Crystal G]
#21947646 - 07/15/15 02:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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an·chor ba·by nounoffensive used to refer to a child born to a noncitizen mother in a country which has birthright citizenship, especially when viewed as providing an advantage to family members seeking to secure citizenship or legal residency.
I'm not real familiar with the term, but I guess it would wouldn't it depending on his intentions of why he had you..
My point is, he played by the rules. A lot of these Mexico boys aren't. That might be the reason you're seeing the uproar you are, and it's not blatant racism afterall..
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Re: Donald Trump Allegedly Receives Death Threats from Mexican Drug Lord El Chapo's Son [Re: Amanita86]
#21947658 - 07/15/15 02:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Amanita86 said: an·chor ba·by nounoffensive used to refer to a child born to a noncitizen mother in a country which has birthright citizenship, especially when viewed as providing an advantage to family members seeking to secure citizenship or legal residency.
Technically I guess not, it would make you an "anchor baby". I'm not real familiar with the term.
My point is, he played by the rules. A lot of these Mexico boys aren't. That might be the reason you're seeing the uproar you are, and it's not blatant racism afterall..
Is it playing by the rules? Because if he didn't have kids here, he would have had to leave and go back as soon as he completed his studies. The only reason he could stay here is because his kids were birthed here. Because you know, my mother did not have any citizenship or legal residence status.
Strangely enough, he was suggested to birth his kids here by all of his graduate school friends who were all conservative Republican types. The same people who would probably frown down on other people doing the same thing. But because they personally KNEW him, it was somehow okay and cool with them.
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Re: Donald Trump Allegedly Receives Death Threats from Mexican Drug Lord El Chapo's Son [Re: Crystal G]
#21947668 - 07/15/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Everybody who doesn't make and pay taxes in the top 20% of income brackets is free riding in some fashion. This is exacerbated if they have children. The illegals often work for cash and none of them make enough to pay taxes. Freeloaders. We have our own freeloaders, thank you, we don't need foreign freeloaders.
They also don't take advantage of any government aide or benefits available to legal residents. Naw they just work shitty jobs at low wages and ling hours or as some people,e call it, a free ride.
Nope.
If some illegal comes here an haves a kid, all the sudden she has a "U.S. Citizen" so now that family is going to receive food stamps and public housing all on our dime and whatever the fuck else Obummer thinks they deserve.
Just FYI but that is the whole point of America. My father was here on an F1 student visa as an immigrant when his children were born in the states. Somebody in your own family migrated here and had kids and that is what gave them the right to stay here. It never became a problem until Mexicans started doing it.
In fact, almost all of immigration law has been founded upon some type of systemic racism. For example, the USA always had open borders while European immigrants were coming here. It wasn't until Chinese immigrants started coming was when the very first immigration laws started becoming put in place.
Also according to current immigration law, the parents of that child who is a US citizen are only allowed to stay until age 18. If they do not file for legal papers (or are not accepted for legal status) they must return back to their country once the child is 18.
Youre mixing legal registered immigration into illegal criminal immigration. Two separate arguments. The first is like waiting on line at the DMV, the latter is more Ferguson rioting and looting.
Are you on dope again?
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Re: Donald Trump Allegedly Receives Death Threats from Mexican Drug Lord El Chapo's Son [Re: Crystal G]
#21947672 - 07/15/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Was his intention set on getting an education, or working the system for citizenship? That would decide whether or not going back is a bad thing or not..
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Re: Donald Trump Allegedly Receives Death Threats from Mexican Drug Lord El Chapo's Son [Re: myc_check1212]
#21947682 - 07/15/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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myc_check1212 said: Youre mixing legal registered immigration into illegal criminal immigration. Two separate arguments. The first is like waiting on line at the DMV, the latter is more Ferguson rioting and looting.
Are you on dope again?
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Is it playing by the rules? Because if he didn't have kids here, he would have had to leave and go back as soon as he completed his studies. The only reason he could stay here is because his kids were birthed here. Because you know, my mother did not have any citizenship or legal residence status.
Giving birth to kids here, even if you're here on a temporary visa, does give you an advantage in terms of acquiring permanent legal residence.
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Re: Donald Trump Allegedly Receives Death Threats from Mexican Drug Lord El Chapo's Son [Re: Crystal G]
#21947683 - 07/15/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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The kid is a US citizen. The mother is not. Bye mommy. Get the fuck out.
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Re: Donald Trump Allegedly Receives Death Threats from Mexican Drug Lord El Chapo's Son [Re: Crystal G]
#21947686 - 07/15/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Everybody who doesn't make and pay taxes in the top 20% of income brackets is free riding in some fashion. This is exacerbated if they have children. The illegals often work for cash and none of them make enough to pay taxes. Freeloaders. We have our own freeloaders, thank you, we don't need foreign freeloaders.
They also don't take advantage of any government aide or benefits available to legal residents. Naw they just work shitty jobs at low wages and ling hours or as some people,e call it, a free ride.
Nope.
If some illegal comes here an haves a kid, all the sudden she has a "U.S. Citizen" so now that family is going to receive food stamps and public housing all on our dime and whatever the fuck else Obummer thinks they deserve.
Just FYI but that is the whole point of America. My father was here on an F1 student visa as an immigrant when his children were born in the states. Somebody in your own family migrated here and had kids and that is what gave them the right to stay here. It never became a problem until Mexicans started doing it.
In fact, almost all of immigration law has been founded upon some type of systemic racism. For example, the USA always had open borders while European immigrants were coming here. It wasn't until Chinese immigrants started coming was when the very first immigration laws started becoming put in place.
Also according to current immigration law, the parents of that child who is a US citizen are only allowed to stay until age 18. If they do not file for legal papers (or are not accepted for legal status) they must return back to their country once the child is 18.
"that is the whole point of America"
Flooding the country full of ILLEGAL immigrants that can't provide for themselves and then burden the rest of US citizens is NOT "the whole point of America".
When my Polish great grandparents came here they weren't given anything at all, if they didn't work they didn't eat.
"It never became a problem until Mexicans started doing it"
It was not as much as a problem because we had plenty of work available for immigrants, we don't have that scenario today, also we never provided a social safety net for illegals and their children. This current flood of illegals has turned into a social and economic disaster.
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Re: Donald Trump Allegedly Receives Death Threats from Mexican Drug Lord El Chapo's Son [Re: qman]
#21947700 - 07/15/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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qman said: "that is the whole point of America"
Flooding the country full of ILLEGAL immigrants that can't provide for themselves and then burden the rest of US citizens is NOT "the whole point of America".
When my Polish great grandparents came here they weren't given anything at all, if they didn't work they didn't eat.
And how did your Polish great grandparents come here? Did they just come here by boat? Did they have any legal papers or acceptance to stay here prior to coming in? Did they have kids after coming here and then apply for papers?
Of course they worked, we all have to work or we don't eat.
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Re: Donald Trump Allegedly Receives Death Threats from Mexican Drug Lord El Chapo's Son [Re: Crystal G]
#21947712 - 07/15/15 02:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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qman said: "that is the whole point of America"
Flooding the country full of ILLEGAL immigrants that can't provide for themselves and then burden the rest of US citizens is NOT "the whole point of America".
When my Polish great grandparents came here they weren't given anything at all, if they didn't work they didn't eat.
And how did your Polish great grandparents come here? Did they just come here by boat? Did they have any legal papers or acceptance to stay here prior to coming in? Did they have kids after coming here and then apply for papers?
Of course they worked, we all have to work or we don't eat.
Ummmm no. The number of people not in the work force is at an all time high and the percentage in the workforce is as low as it has been since women started entering the workforce in serious numbers in the seventies.
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Re: Donald Trump Allegedly Receives Death Threats from Mexican Drug Lord El Chapo's Son [Re: Crystal G]
#21947738 - 07/15/15 02:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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qman said: "that is the whole point of America"
Flooding the country full of ILLEGAL immigrants that can't provide for themselves and then burden the rest of US citizens is NOT "the whole point of America".
When my Polish great grandparents came here they weren't given anything at all, if they didn't work they didn't eat.
And how did your Polish great grandparents come here? Did they just come here by boat? Did they have any legal papers or acceptance to stay here prior to coming in? Did they have kids after coming here and then apply for papers?
Of course they worked, we all have to work or we don't eat.
They came here like the flood of Europeans did in that time frame, I don't why you are trying to compare them to the current status of ILLEGALS entering and staying in the US.
"we all have to work or we don't eat"
Tell that to the 50 million Americans that receive food stamps every month.
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Re: Donald Trump Allegedly Receives Death Threats from Mexican Drug Lord El Chapo's Son [Re: qman]
#21947755 - 07/15/15 02:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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qman said: They came here like the flood of Europeans did in that time frame, I don't why you are trying to compare them to the current status of ILLEGALS entering and staying in the US.
Because all those Europeans who were flooding in back in the day were technically undocumented immigrants at the time. How do you not see the parallel?
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"we all have to work or we don't eat"
Tell that to the 50 million Americans that receive food stamps every month.
Yes. Americans. Illegals are not eligible to receive food stamps.
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Re: Donald Trump Allegedly Receives Death Threats from Mexican Drug Lord El Chapo's Son [Re: Crystal G] 1
#21947801 - 07/15/15 02:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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qman said: They came here like the flood of Europeans did in that time frame, I don't why you are trying to compare them to the current status of ILLEGALS entering and staying in the US.
Because all those Europeans who were flooding in back in the day were technically undocumented immigrants at the time. How do you not see the parallel?
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"we all have to work or we don't eat"
Tell that to the 50 million Americans that receive food stamps every month.
Yes. Americans. Illegals are not eligible to receive food stamps.
You're playing games, are the immigration laws the same in 1910 as they are in 2015? No, so why are you trying to compare the situations as equal?
"Illegals are not eligible to receive food stamps"
But one day after crossing the border and then giving birth they are eligible to receive a long list of free services, stop with the games.
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Re: Donald Trump Allegedly Receives Death Threats from Mexican Drug Lord El Chapo's Son [Re: qman]
#21947810 - 07/15/15 03:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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But one day after crossing the border and then giving birth they are eligible to receive a long list of free services, stop with the games.
They are not. You need a social security number to receive benefits. Maybe their children are eligible to receive benefits, but the parents themselves are not. Even people who are on legal and temporary student visas or temporary worker visas receive none of these benefits.
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