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Re: Here's what the Iran Negotiations are really about, probably [Re: starfire_xes]
    #21949389 - 07/15/15 09:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Ummmmm... there is no glaring flaw in your argument. I can't agree more about obumble. Saying "feckless" is like giving him a compliment. He is a joke.


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Re: Here's what the Iran Negotiations are really about, probably [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21949410 - 07/15/15 09:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

As far as this deal doing anything meaningful towards promoting stability...

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c5c_1428254424

That's game, set, and match. :smirk:


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Re: Here's what the Iran Negotiations are really about, probably [Re: starfire_xes]
    #21949430 - 07/15/15 09:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Oh come on! Where is the evidence iran is a threat to anyone except invaders? The only country that really has an iron in the fire is you know what. The arab states have rivalries which their enemies adroitly exploit. Its a shame.


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Re: Here's what the Iran Negotiations are really about, probably [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21950238 - 07/16/15 01:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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>Once again with the name calling

Once again false






So your go to insult of moonbat is not name calling?

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>Why does it bother you so much that most of the world is against Iran having a nuclear weapon and will take steps to prevent that?

I'm in favor of fairness and justice. Having our war machine used for wrong things like that makes me mad. We pay taxes under threat of prison our money and it gets used like that. Sanctions too cost us money and loss of prestige.




What is wrong about not wanting Iran to have a nuclear weapon?


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Re: Here's what the Iran Negotiations are really about, probably [Re: starfire_xes]
    #21950245 - 07/16/15 01:30 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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They got their deal.  In the new 'treaty' or whatever it is called, if sanctions are called for again, Iran is 1) Allowed to appeal the sanctions or 2) Break the treaty at their discretion.

In other words, they can do as they please.  You honestly think that this country, who has the stated goal of the elimination of Israel, who mocked the US and Obama while talks where ongoing, and who publicly stated that any agreement reached would not affect their own sovereign nuclear program, is going to stick to their word? 






Then Iran would be back to square one. Economic ruin at the hand of sanctions and virtually no chance for a diplomatic resolution to the issue. Iran doesn't want that at the moment.


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Re: Here's what the Iran Negotiations are really about, probably [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21950252 - 07/16/15 01:32 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Oh come on! Where is the evidence iran is a threat to anyone except invaders? The only country that really has an iron in the fire is you know what. The arab states have rivalries which their enemies adroitly exploit. Its a shame.




http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/27/israel.iran

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Iran's new president created a sense of outrage in the west yesterday by describing Israel as a "disgraceful blot" that should be "wiped off the face of the earth".




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Re: Here's what the Iran Negotiations are really about, probably [Re: BoldAsLove]
    #21950311 - 07/16/15 02:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I can't see how anyone can see this deal as anything other than arming the worlds top terrorist nation, and in doing so ensuring an eventual start to WWIII. This deal was sold under the guise that there would be a watchful eye on their activities, but that is and never was the case.

It's pretty sad when Rosie Perez can spot it, and the ladies of "The View" have a better outlook on the deal than the usual obamabots outright defending it. The View could have made a better deal than Barry and would have had our prisoners freed.



Barry just about lost it when someone asked a legitimate question, and his response was a joke. The prisoners should have been let loose before they even sat down to do any deal. It really couldn't be called an actual deal considering the fact we didn't get a damn thing in return for lifting all the sanctions, and that alone makes them 150 billion wealthier. That's the equivalent to 8 trillion to the US economy, and those funds will be put to fully fund they're terrorist agenda. This deal was just another legacy item to put on his list, and is being touted as some peace maker from the great Nobel Peace Prize president. It's disgusting to think how this will be spun in text books in the future because history is written by the victors.



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Re: Here's what the Iran Negotiations are really about, probably [Re: BoldAsLove]
    #21950860 - 07/16/15 08:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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>Once again with the name calling

Once again false





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So your go to insult of moonbat is not name calling?




No it isn't. First of all, moonbat is not an insult any more than liberal is. It means someone on the far left.


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Re: Here's what the Iran Negotiations are really about, probably [Re: BoldAsLove]
    #21950879 - 07/16/15 08:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

>Iran's new president created a sense of outrage in the west yesterday by describing Israel as a "disgraceful blot" that should be "wiped off the face of the earth".

I see no statement that they intend to attack isreal. All I see is disgust over the parasite state's actions which are in fact very disgusting. Are you trying to peddle the notion that they plan to launch a nuke war soon as they get some bombs? You think they want to be turned into a parking lot? And anyway, it was something translated out of farsi, they took what was probably an old saying and did a clumsy translation.

I recall Reagan saying the bombers are leaving in 5 minutes to destroy Russia or some such. He later backed off the statement. Does that mean usa should be put under sanctions and forced to do lots of things or be attacked? Words mean little and some statement is far from a good reason for the nutty things that have been done.

Compare that to isreal who has not only invaded and occupied vast areas of the middle east, but has even attacked usa deliberately. They are the ones who should be forced to give up weapons and be under sanctions. They are the loose cannons.


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Re: Here's what the Iran Negotiations are really about, probably [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21951210 - 07/16/15 09:58 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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The squeeze on Russia is probably part of the plan plus it saves us a bundle on oil.

Why should iran be under sanctions in the first place? They broke no international rules, its all because the parasite state wants them bombed. They will do dirty work anyway and try to undo the agreement.



Saves who on oil?  We don't give a fuck.




"Saves who on oil?  We don't give a fuck."

Who is the we? Are you queen Elizabeth using the royal we? Most sane people care about the cost of oil because it impacts their lifestyle a lot. We know you hate Iranians and all brown people.




The US doesn't need any oil from Iran.  Nobody does.  We have enough of our own and if we don't Canada will sell it to us when we build the Keystone pipeline.  I hate the mullahs and freakshow Muslims.  Not all freakshow Muslims are brown.  Some are quite pale.


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Re: Here's what the Iran Negotiations are really about, probably [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21951245 - 07/16/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Iranian oil goes on the world market which helps keep prices down. Its elementary economics that even most high school kids understand. Maybe you should ask one to explain it to you.

>I hate the mullahs and freakshow Muslims.

And arabs, and brown people and all those over there who are not jews. You said killing them was a public service.


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Re: Here's what the Iran Negotiations are really about, probably [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21951280 - 07/16/15 10:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The Saudis would much rather Iran doesn't increase the global oil supply, for a multitude of reasons.


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Re: Here's what the Iran Negotiations are really about, probably [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21951383 - 07/16/15 10:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Iranian oil goes on the world market which helps keep prices down. Its elementary economics that even most high school kids understand. Maybe you should ask one to explain it to you.

>I hate the mullahs and freakshow Muslims.

And arabs, and brown people and all those over there who are not jews. You said killing them was a public service.



Iranian oil has been off the market for quite some time and the prices still went down quite a bit.  Do you know why?  Because of our production.  Other stupid point addressed elsewhere.


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Re: Here's what the Iran Negotiations are really about, probably [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21951386 - 07/16/15 10:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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The Saudis would much rather Iran doesn't increase the global oil supply, for a multitude of reasons.



They fucking hate each other.


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Re: Here's what the Iran Negotiations are really about, probably [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21951396 - 07/16/15 10:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Iranian oil goes on the world market which helps keep prices down. Its elementary economics that even most high school kids understand. Maybe you should ask one to explain it to you.

>I hate the mullahs and freakshow Muslims.

And arabs, and brown people and all those over there who are not jews. You said killing them was a public service.



Iranian oil has been off the market for quite some time and the prices still went down quite a bit.  Do you know why?  Because of our production.  Other stupid point addressed elsewhere.




I figured you had no clue but its nice you confirmed it. More oil on the market means lower prices and relief for usa citizens. Your red herring does not change that fact.


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Re: Here's what the Iran Negotiations are really about, probably [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21951840 - 07/16/15 12:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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No it isn't. First of all, moonbat is not an insult any more than liberal is. It means someone on the far left.




Moonbat is a pejorative term for liberal.

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>Iran's new president created a sense of outrage in the west yesterday by describing Israel as a "disgraceful blot" that should be "wiped off the face of the earth".

I see no statement that they intend to attack isreal. All I see is disgust over the parasite state's actions which are in fact very disgusting. Are you trying to peddle the notion that they plan to launch a nuke war soon as they get some bombs? You think they want to be turned into a parking lot? And anyway, it was something translated out of farsi, they took what was probably an old saying and did a clumsy translation.

I recall Reagan saying the bombers are leaving in 5 minutes to destroy Russia or some such. He later backed off the statement. Does that mean usa should be put under sanctions and forced to do lots of things or be attacked? Words mean little and some statement is far from a good reason for the nutty things that have been done.

Compare that to isreal who has not only invaded and occupied vast areas of the middle east, but has even attacked usa deliberately. They are the ones who should be forced to give up weapons and be under sanctions. They are the loose cannons.





You asked for evidence that Iran was a threat to anyone except countries invading Iran. A statement from the president expressing deep contempt and the desire to eliminate Israel is clearly a threat to a country that isn't invading Iran.

Why are you so set on defending Iran by criticizing Israel? Israel treating the Palestinians so poorly, doesn't really have any significance to a debate about Iran having a nuclear weapon.


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Re: Here's what the Iran Negotiations are really about, probably [Re: BoldAsLove]
    #21951859 - 07/16/15 12:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

>Moonbat is a pejorative term for liberal.

Sez you

>You asked for evidence that Iran was a threat to anyone except countries invading Iran. A statement from the president expressing deep contempt and the desire to eliminate Israel is clearly a threat to a country that isn't invading Iran.

He never said his country's desire was to eliminate isreal. You took something out of context. The parasite country is occupying stolen land, he wants them out of there. Mccaine said similar things about arab countries, he is a lot like zappa. He was a presidential candidate, almost won.


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Re: Here's what the Iran Negotiations are really about, probably [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21951892 - 07/16/15 12:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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>Moonbat is a pejorative term for liberal.

Sez you





And the Oxford Dictionary and Wikipedia. Words have definitions, you can make up your own if you like, but the rest of society will see it another way.

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>You asked for evidence that Iran was a threat to anyone except countries invading Iran. A statement from the president expressing deep contempt and the desire to eliminate Israel is clearly a threat to a country that isn't invading Iran.

He never said his country's desire was to eliminate isreal. You took something out of context. The parasite country is occupying stolen land, he wants them out of there. Mccaine said similar things about arab countries, he is a lot like zappa. He was a presidential candidate, almost won.




He literally said Israel should be wiped from the face of the earth. How is that not a threat to Israel?


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Re: Here's what the Iran Negotiations are really about, probably [Re: BoldAsLove]
    #21951915 - 07/16/15 12:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

>He literally said Israel should be wiped from the face of the earth. How is that not a threat to Israel?

You have no idea what he said. He spoke in farsi and a lot is lost in translation. He wants them out of the occupied territories.

>Words have definitions, you can make up your own if you like, but the rest of society will see it another way.

Here is what the oxford dictionary says:

"A person with extreme left-wing political views"


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Re: Here's what the Iran Negotiations are really about, probably [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21951966 - 07/16/15 01:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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>He literally said Israel should be wiped from the face of the earth. How is that not a threat to Israel?

You have no idea what he said. He spoke in farsi and a lot is lost in translation. He wants them out of the occupied territories.





Right, let's just assume that the translation has nothing to do with what he actually meant because that fits your worldview better. :rolleyes:

Iran hates Israel. Iran is a threat to Israel.

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>Words have definitions, you can make up your own if you like, but the rest of society will see it another way.

Here is what the oxford dictionary says:

"A person with extreme left-wing political views"




Somehow I just knew that you would ignore the important bit! Look at the link again, notice how right under where it says noun, the word is classified as "derogatory". Keep making up definitions, it doesn't make you right. Moonbat is an insult.


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