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Offlinelovesquare
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Contaminants worst enemy and my Grain to Grain strategy.
    #21936987 - 07/13/15 11:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)



Glade+Oust

Found at Lowes, not that expensive and saves a lot of time and trouble.

Turn off heat or AC, wait 15 minutes, spray room and adjacent rooms thoroughly. Use hand sanitizer on the walls of the SAB, load up your Still-Air-Box, hand sanitizer your jars, spray inside your SAB, let settle for a few minutes, continue with sterile work, 0 contaminates after nearly 100 grain to grain transfers.

Update!

Just wanted to add how I do my grain to grain transfers in unison with the above info. I preloosen the rings, prior to spraying inside the SAB, let it settle. Take your previously shaken (well) master grain jar and remove the ring, also removing the rings of the to be transfered to jars. Quickly pop the lid of your master grain jar and the one to be transfered too, and pour about 1/12th of the master grains into the jar. No need to be exact, quickly replace both lids, and ring up the tranfered jar.

Repeat for a dozen jars,(or more depending on your desired colonization times, taking into factor the amount used to transfer to each jar.) Once finished, remove everything from your sab and store in your colonization location. Avoid excess surfaces to furthur prevent possible contamination, or utilize surface disinfectants properly and use the tools that work best for you.


Edited by lovesquare (07/14/15 10:19 AM)


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
    #21937013 - 07/13/15 11:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Clean transfers have more to do with sterile technique than they do with how sanitized the air is.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: insanemike]
    #21937032 - 07/13/15 12:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:whathesaid:


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: Dhearic]
    #21937055 - 07/13/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Check out "how I do g2g in a SAB" linked in my sig.

He suggests using soapy water to clean the SAB instead of alcohol or bleach. The water stays on the walls/bottom during clean procedures, and supposedly contams will 'stick' to the water.

My contam rates have gone way down since I switched to soapy water. I don't even use sprays anymore. Waste of time/money IMO


Edited by Psilosopherr (07/13/15 12:14 PM)


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: insanemike]
    #21937068 - 07/13/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

insanemike said:
Clean transfers have more to do with sterile technique than they do with how sanitized the air is.




If grains were properly soaked, pressure cooked at 15 psi for 120 minutes, let cool, transfered to a hand sanitizered SAB, there jars hand sanitized theirself, with the air inside and outside the SAB sanitized, their would be much less contamination all around. It was my first time EVER handling grains when i utilized this method, not one single contam over the years I was growing actives.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
    #21937094 - 07/13/15 12:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not trying to tell you what you can and cannot do. By all means, do what you think is best. I was just stating a fact. Personally, I prefer a flowhood over a SAB any day of the week but I live in a drafty old trailer though.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
    #21937101 - 07/13/15 12:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

lovesquare said:
Quote:

insanemike said:
Clean transfers have more to do with sterile technique than they do with how sanitized the air is.




If grains were properly soaked, pressure cooked at 15 psi for 120 minutes, let cool, transfered to a hand sanitizered SAB, there jars hand sanitized theirself, with the air inside and outside the SAB sanitized, their would be much less contamination all around. It was my first time EVER handling grains when i utilized this method, not one single contam over the years I was growing actives.



:lol:


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21937137 - 07/13/15 12:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That stuff's useless. Just use proper technique in your SAB and use soapy water to clean it and there's no need for it.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
    #21937145 - 07/13/15 12:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

lovesquare said:


Glade+Oust

Found at Lowes, not that expensive and saves a lot of time and trouble.

Turn off heat or AC, wait 15 minutes, spray room and adjacent rooms thoroughly. Use hand sanitizer on the walls of the SAB, load up your Still-Air-Box, hand sanitizer your jars, spray inside your SAB, let settle for a few minutes, continue with sterile work, 0 contaminates after nearly 100 grain to grain transfers.




I have also done hundreds of grain to grain transfers. Guess how much
"Oust" I used......none. Proper technique and clean spawn is the key. You could put me, a SAB, and one hundred grain jars in a room lined with trichoderma wall to wall. I will do 100 Grain to Grain transfers and still come out a winner. Aerosol sanitation is far far far overrated by those who don't understand that a few log reduction in airborne contaminants is irrelevant.

Glad you are having literally a perfect success rate though......not that I believe that.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #21937205 - 07/13/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I use what works for me, and a perfect success rate doesn't lie, saying it's useless for someone it works for, makes no sense, bashing someone's sterile technique that has proven 100% success rate, makes no sense. All I'm trying to do is let people know what has worked for me, yet you strong headed folks rather criticize. If this helps one person avoid contaminants, it was worth it.


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You're gonna find a few changes been going down there.

If you go down to the gas-powered flatland,
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
    #21937213 - 07/13/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

lovesquare said:
I use what works for me, and a perfect success rate doesn't lie, saying it's useless for someone it works for, makes no sense, bashing someone's sterile technique that has proven 100% success rate, makes no sense. All I'm trying to do is let people know what has worked for me, yet you strong headed folks rather criticize. If this helps one person avoid contaminants, it was worth it.



:rofl:

This guy really doesn't want our help.

nobody was even bashing you. You're being overly sensitive


Edited by Psilosopherr (07/13/15 12:56 PM)


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
    #21937219 - 07/13/15 12:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Your success is probably completely coincidental. I've done easily thousands of G2G before. Most without using any kind of sprays. I've lost a few here and there (and had bad problems at a couple points) but the vast majority have been successful.

I'm glad it works for you but it's just an unnecessary step. If you didn't use it you would likely also have success.


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i recommend common sense and figuring it out.

These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21937226 - 07/13/15 12:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

rbalzer said:
Quote:

lovesquare said:
I use what works for me, and a perfect success rate doesn't lie, saying it's useless for someone it works for, makes no sense, bashing someone's sterile technique that has proven 100% success rate, makes no sense. All I'm trying to do is let people know what has worked for me, yet you strong headed folks rather criticize. If this helps one person avoid contaminants, it was worth it.



:rofl:

This guy really doesn't want our help.




I never asked for your help. Rather I'm the one helping, stating how I have avoided ALL contaminants throughout my grows.


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Come back to the love that you had here with me...


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
    #21937233 - 07/13/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

lovesquare said:
Quote:

rbalzer said:
Quote:

lovesquare said:
I use what works for me, and a perfect success rate doesn't lie, saying it's useless for someone it works for, makes no sense, bashing someone's sterile technique that has proven 100% success rate, makes no sense. All I'm trying to do is let people know what has worked for me, yet you strong headed folks rather criticize. If this helps one person avoid contaminants, it was worth it.



:rofl:

This guy really doesn't want our help.




I never asked for your help. Rather I'm the one helping, stating how I have avoided ALL contaminants throughout my grows.



which is almost certainly pure luck.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
    #21937235 - 07/13/15 01:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I also just noticed you reccomended spraying it in the SAB, and using hand sanitizer to clean it. Those are dangerous tactics. If you flame anything you're likely to blow your SAB up. Never use flammable things in your SAB.


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If you're offended I don't give a shit and don't come see me no more.

Pat The Bunny said:
A punk rock song won't ever change the world, but I can tell you about a couple that changed me.

bodhisatta said:
i recommend common sense and figuring it out.

These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #21937236 - 07/13/15 01:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

36fuckin5 said:
Your success is probably completely coincidental. I've done easily thousands of G2G before. Most without using any kind of sprays. I've lost a few here and there (and had bad problems at a couple points) but the vast majority have been successful.

I'm glad it works for you but it's just an unnecessary step. If you didn't use it you would likely also have success.




Hence why you have lost some, along being successful, I have NEVER lost a single jar, figured I'd share what I utilize to help others, and yes it works for me, I wouldn't change a thing, regardless if I could still be successful without it, not worth the $5 unspent IMO.


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You're gonna find a few changes been going down there.

If you go down to the gas-powered flatland,
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #21937242 - 07/13/15 01:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

36fuckin5 said:
I also just noticed you reccomended spraying it in the SAB, and using hand sanitizer to clean it. Those are dangerous tactics. If you flame anything you're likely to blow your SAB up. Never use flammable things in your SAB.



You don't flame anything for Grain to Grain.


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If you go down round the bend in the river,
You're gonna find a few changes been going down there.

If you go down to the gas-powered flatland,
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
    #21937249 - 07/13/15 01:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If you have a 100% success rate, it was because you have excellent sterile procedure and I commend you for that. What your 100% success rate was not from was oust+glade. Be proud that you have a very good understanding of sterile procedure and leave it at that because these folks are not going to back down.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21937253 - 07/13/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

rbalzer said:
Quote:

lovesquare said:
Quote:

rbalzer said:
Quote:

lovesquare said:
I use what works for me, and a perfect success rate doesn't lie, saying it's useless for someone it works for, makes no sense, bashing someone's sterile technique that has proven 100% success rate, makes no sense. All I'm trying to do is let people know what has worked for me, yet you strong headed folks rather criticize. If this helps one person avoid contaminants, it was worth it.



:rofl:

This guy really doesn't want our help.




I never asked for your help. Rather I'm the one helping, stating how I have avoided ALL contaminants throughout my grows.



which is almost certainly pure luck.




I doubt it's luck, a freshly clean room and these tactics have a proven track record for myself, in an uncarpeted room of course.


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If you go down round the bend in the river,
You're gonna find a few changes been going down there.

If you go down to the gas-powered flatland,
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Remember the peace that you had on the mountain,
Come back to the love that you had here with me...


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
    #21937255 - 07/13/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

you're not making any worthwhile points OP.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
    #21937256 - 07/13/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

lovesquare said:
Quote:

36fuckin5 said:
Your success is probably completely coincidental. I've done easily thousands of G2G before. Most without using any kind of sprays. I've lost a few here and there (and had bad problems at a couple points) but the vast majority have been successful.

I'm glad it works for you but it's just an unnecessary step. If you didn't use it you would likely also have success.




Hence why you have lost some, along being successful, I have NEVER lost a single jar, figured I'd share what I utilize to help others, and yes it works for me, I wouldn't change a thing, regardless if I could still be successful without it, not worth the $5 unspent IMO.




If I were you i would stop arguing with people who have been doing this literally a decade before you even registered here. Chill out and open your ears. We are glad you have success with this method. We are simply trying to prevent others from reading this and taking bad advice.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
    #21937257 - 07/13/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

lovesquare said:
Quote:

36fuckin5 said:
I also just noticed you reccomended spraying it in the SAB, and using hand sanitizer to clean it. Those are dangerous tactics. If you flame anything you're likely to blow your SAB up. Never use flammable things in your SAB.



You don't flame anything for Grain to Grain.




No, but you flame syringes and scalpels and such for agar work. Why have 2 procedures, one of which is more expensive and potentially dangerous, for getting the same job done?


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If you're offended I don't give a shit and don't come see me no more.

Pat The Bunny said:
A punk rock song won't ever change the world, but I can tell you about a couple that changed me.

bodhisatta said:
i recommend common sense and figuring it out.

These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: SteveRogers]
    #21937262 - 07/13/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

SteveRogers said:
Quote:

lovesquare said:
Quote:

36fuckin5 said:
Your success is probably completely coincidental. I've done easily thousands of G2G before. Most without using any kind of sprays. I've lost a few here and there (and had bad problems at a couple points) but the vast majority have been successful.

I'm glad it works for you but it's just an unnecessary step. If you didn't use it you would likely also have success.




Hence why you have lost some, along being successful, I have NEVER lost a single jar, figured I'd share what I utilize to help others, and yes it works for me, I wouldn't change a thing, regardless if I could still be successful without it, not worth the $5 unspent IMO.




If I were you i would stop arguing with people who have been doing this literally a decade before you even registered here. Chill out and open your ears. We are glad you have success with this method. We are simply trying to prevent others from reading this and taking bad advice.



steve summed up this thread very nicely.

I apologize for my own rudeness


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
    #21937267 - 07/13/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

lovesquare said:
Hence why you have lost some, along being successful, I have NEVER lost a single jar, figured I'd share what I utilize to help others, and yes it works for me, I wouldn't change a thing, regardless if I could still be successful without it, not worth the $5 unspent IMO.




I've tracked down my source of contams every time. Not a single time has it been because I didn't use Oust. Sloppy technique, bad starting material, missing a spot of contam in a jar, bad filter unit on my shmuv, yeah. Lack of Oust? Not once.

Contams are gonna happen once in a while if you grow for long enough. It's part of the game. You learn to track down and eliminate the source when it happens.


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Redd Foxx said:
If you're offended I don't give a shit and don't come see me no more.

Pat The Bunny said:
A punk rock song won't ever change the world, but I can tell you about a couple that changed me.

bodhisatta said:
i recommend common sense and figuring it out.

These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: insanemike]
    #21937268 - 07/13/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

insanemike said:
If you have a 100% success rate, it was because you have excellent sterile procedure and I commend you for that. What your 100% success rate was not from was oust+glade. Be proud that you have a very good understanding of sterile procedure and leave it at that because these folks are not going to back down.



I could care less if they back down or not, simply stating what has worked for me and sharing that with the community, thank you for your statement, my sterile procedure as a whole is what I recommend, Glade+Oust being a part of that, I'm simply going to leave it out and say that it has no effect which the others are trying to say. A can of glade+oust, some off brand hand sanitizer, a proper SAB, and a clean room will go a long ways.


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If you go down round the bend in the river,
You're gonna find a few changes been going down there.

If you go down to the gas-powered flatland,
Where most of the people just think that they're free,
Remember the peace that you had on the mountain,
Come back to the love that you had here with me...


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
    #21937276 - 07/13/15 01:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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lovesquare said:
a proper SAB, some soap and water, proper technique, and a clean room will go a long ways.




*fixed


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
    #21937281 - 07/13/15 01:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

All I use is soap and water. Not any sanitizers. If you follow my sanitary tek in my sig, you'll see what techniques are. I would advocate my sig way more over a bottle of oust any day of the week.

Next up, how many jars have you done? Also just because you haven't thrown a jar out, doesn't mean it was completely clean either.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: SteveRogers]
    #21937283 - 07/13/15 01:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

SteveRogers said:
Quote:

lovesquare said:
a proper SAB, some soap and water, proper technique, and a clean room will go a long ways.




*fixed



but oust works for him, so any other tek is moot. not even worth trying :grin:


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
    #21937295 - 07/13/15 01:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

lovesquare said:
Quote:

insanemike said:
If you have a 100% success rate, it was because you have excellent sterile procedure and I commend you for that. What your 100% success rate was not from was oust+glade. Be proud that you have a very good understanding of sterile procedure and leave it at that because these folks are not going to back down.



I could care less if they back down or not, simply stating what has worked for me and sharing that with the community, thank you for your statement, my sterile procedure as a whole is what I recommend, Glade+Oust being a part of that, I'm simply going to leave it out and say that it has no effect which the others are trying to say. A can of glade+oust, some off brand hand sanitizer, a proper SAB, and a clean room will go a long ways.




Promoting oust is not sterile procedure and you did not state what your sterile procedure was in the op. If your sterile procedure as a whole is what you recommend than you should definitely write up a tek that has step by step instructions with a decent amount of pics to follow along with.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: insanemike]
    #21937323 - 07/13/15 01:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

No offense but I don't believe anyone who says
They never lost a jar. Far too many variables in place. Even with Hamloafs immaculate clean room I'm sure he gets a contam from time to time (which I believe is why he just did a major douche of it).

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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: SteveRogers]
    #21937330 - 07/13/15 01:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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If I were you i would stop arguing with people who have been doing this literally a decade before you even registered here. Chill out and open your ears. We are glad you have success with this method. We are simply trying to prevent others from reading this and taking bad advice.



Stating one's success is arguing? Again, makes no sense. Bad advice? Yet it has worked for someone for nearly 5 years? Share one's own experience, to be put down?  :lol:


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21937333 - 07/13/15 01:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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rbalzer said:
but oust works for him, so any other tek is moot. not even worth trying :grin:



You can use whatever tek you want, this is what I use, I share, and what I trust.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: insanemike]
    #21937339 - 07/13/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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lovesquare said:
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If you have a 100% success rate, it was because you have excellent sterile procedure and I commend you for that. What your 100% success rate was not from was oust+glade. Be proud that you have a very good understanding of sterile procedure and leave it at that because these folks are not going to back down.



I could care less if they back down or not, simply stating what has worked for me and sharing that with the community, thank you for your statement, my sterile procedure as a whole is what I recommend, Glade+Oust being a part of that, I'm simply going to leave it out and say that it has no effect which the others are trying to say. A can of glade+oust, some off brand hand sanitizer, a proper SAB, and a clean room will go a long ways.




Promoting oust is not sterile procedure and you did not state what your sterile procedure was in the op. If your sterile procedure as a whole is what you recommend than you should definitely write up a tek that has step by step instructions with a decent amount of pics to follow along with.




Did you even read the original post? Glade+Oust, hand sanitizer, a proper SAB is all I use and I've NEVER failed. Think what you want, I'll stick to what works for me, and if sharing one's own experiences is frowned upon, LOL, this site wouldn't be what it is today.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
    #21937344 - 07/13/15 01:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

And that is fine. Our concern here is for posterity. When new users stumble upon this through a google string or shroomery search result, they will read your method and assume it is a route to success. If you could get over yourself for a second, you would realize that the MULTITUDE of very experienced cultivators on this board do not rely on aerosol sanitizers. This is for a reason and not to bust your balls.

Chill out. Enjoy the success you are having.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: SteveRogers]
    #21937348 - 07/13/15 01:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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SteveRogers said:
And that is fine. Our concern here is for posterity. When new users stumble upon this through a google string or shroomery search result, they will read your method and assume it is a route to success. If you could get over yourself for a second, you would realize that the MULTITUDE of very experienced cultivators on this board do not rely on aerosol sanitizers. This is for a reason and not to bust your balls.

Chill out. Enjoy the success you are having.



indeed. Luck is not a good tek to share


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: SteveRogers]
    #21937368 - 07/13/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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lovesquare said:


Glade+Oust

Found at Lowes, not that expensive and saves a lot of time and trouble.

Turn off heat or AC, wait 15 minutes, spray room and adjacent rooms thoroughly. Use hand sanitizer on the walls of the SAB, load up your Still-Air-Box, hand sanitizer your jars, spray inside your SAB, let settle for a few minutes, continue with sterile work, 0 contaminates after nearly 100 grain to grain transfers.




I have also done hundreds of grain to grain transfers. Guess how much
"Oust" I used......none. Proper technique and clean spawn is the key. You could put me, a SAB, and one hundred grain jars in a room lined with trichoderma wall to wall. I will do 100 Grain to Grain transfers and still come out a winner. Aerosol sanitation is far far far overrated by those who don't understand that a few log reduction in airborne contaminants is irrelevant.

Glad you are having literally a perfect success rate though......not that I believe that.




that might be the scariest thing i've ever imagined! wall to wall trichoderma? :::shudders:::

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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: SteveRogers]
    #21937377 - 07/13/15 01:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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SteveRogers said:
And that is fine. Our concern here is for posterity. When new users stumble upon this through a google string or shroomery search result, they will read your method and assume it is a route to success. If you could get over yourself for a second, you would realize that the MULTITUDE of very experienced cultivators on this board do not rely on aerosol sanitizers. This is for a reason and not to bust your balls.

Chill out. Enjoy the success you are having.



I'm not at all in a uproar, and if it has proven successful for one's grain to grain transfers I'm sure it would prove successful for other growers alike, regardless if the majority doesn't support it because A)they haven't tried it or B) They've had success with other procedures, neither of which should be a deterrent. This works for me, and will work for someone else, to each their own, and this post was only meant to help those that are interested. A member with sterile procedures that have a proven track record should be shared, regardless of opinions, it HAS actual worked, so I presented it to the community to do as they wish.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21937389 - 07/13/15 01:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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rbalzer said:
indeed. Luck is not a good tek to share




Luck has nearly nothing to do with my procedure, one does not just get "lucky" after a hundred quart jars, with proper techniques that have worked for him. I'm not saying that I contribute 100% of my contaminentless to my procedure, but it sure seems to provide.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
    #21937394 - 07/13/15 01:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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lovesquare said:
A member with sterile procedures that have a proven track record should be shared, regardless of opinions, it HAS actual worked, so I presented it to the community to do as they wish.





YOU HAVE NO TRACK RECORD AT ALL. You have barely been registered for a month.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
    #21937402 - 07/13/15 01:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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lovesquare said:
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SteveRogers said:
And that is fine. Our concern here is for posterity. When new users stumble upon this through a google string or shroomery search result, they will read your method and assume it is a route to success. If you could get over yourself for a second, you would realize that the MULTITUDE of very experienced cultivators on this board do not rely on aerosol sanitizers. This is for a reason and not to bust your balls.

Chill out. Enjoy the success you are having.



I'm not at all in a uproar, and if it has proven successful for one's grain to grain transfers I'm sure it would prove successful for other growers alike, regardless if the majority doesn't support it because A)they haven't tried it or B) They've had success with other procedures, neither of which should be a deterrent. This works for me, and will work for someone else, to each their own, and this post was only meant to help those that are interested. A member with sterile procedures that have a proven track record should be shared, regardless of opinions, it HAS actual worked, so I presented it to the community to do as they wish.



I swear you've typed the same paragraph three times now.

We know you're not in an uproar, but your amusingly childish reactions to our advice is comical.

Not to mention the hypocrisy of the this statement "if the majority doesn't support it because A)they haven't tried it or B) They've had success with other procedures, neither of which should be a deterrent."

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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: SteveRogers]
    #21937407 - 07/13/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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YOU HAVE NO TRACK RECORD AT ALL. You have barely been registered for a month.



That means nothing, you're implying someone has to have been registered here to grow? False. I'm positive more growers stay in the shadows then openly post their grows in an online forum, again you have no merit. My technique works for me, and it will help others.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
    #21937415 - 07/13/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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lovesquare said:
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SteveRogers said:
YOU HAVE NO TRACK RECORD AT ALL. You have barely been registered for a month.



That means nothing, you're implying someone has to have been registered here to grow? False. I'm positive more growers stay in the shadows then openly post their grows in an online forum, again you have no merit. My technique works for me, and it will help others.




I lurked for almost A DECADE before saying one word on this forum. Don't talk to me about absorbing information before shooting my mouth off.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
    #21937419 - 07/13/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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lovesquare said:
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SteveRogers said:
YOU HAVE NO TRACK RECORD AT ALL. You have barely been registered for a month.



That means nothing, you're implying someone has to have been registered here to grow? False. I'm positive more growers stay in the shadows then openly post their grows in an online forum, again you have no merit. My technique works for me, and it will help others.



it will help others to fail. You still fail to realize oust has little to do with your success.

I know this falls on deaf ears and is pointless. But your responses are adorable


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21937423 - 07/13/15 01:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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rbalzer said:
We know you're not in an uproar, but your amusingly childish reactions to our advice is comical.





I never asked for your advice, was simply stating a fact, that has worked in my experience. How's that childish? Again, you make no sense.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: SteveRogers]
    #21937429 - 07/13/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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SteveRogers said:
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lovesquare said:
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SteveRogers said:
YOU HAVE NO TRACK RECORD AT ALL. You have barely been registered for a month.



That means nothing, you're implying someone has to have been registered here to grow? False. I'm positive more growers stay in the shadows then openly post their grows in an online forum, again you have no merit. My technique works for me, and it will help others.




I lurked for almost A DECADE before saying one word on this forum. Don't talk to me about absorbing information before shooting my mouth off.



So your openly admitting that you're a hypocrite. On topic, give this a try folks, you won't regret it.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
    #21937435 - 07/13/15 01:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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lovesquare said:
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rbalzer said:
We know you're not in an uproar, but your amusingly childish reactions to our advice is comical.





I never asked for your advice, was simply stating a fact, that has worked in my experience. How's that childish? Again, you make no sense.



I'm aware that I'm being rude and argumentative. You however appear to be completely ignorant of your childishness. This entire thread is your childish reactions to our advice.

(we wouldn't have to give you advice if your "tek" was worth a damn. There's a reason almost everybody disagrees with you.)


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21937439 - 07/13/15 01:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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rbalzer said:
it will help others to fail. You still fail to realize oust has little to do with your success.

I know this falls on deaf ears and is pointless. But your responses are adorable




Glade+Oust is a definitive part of my success, it is a part of my sterile technique, that has proven itself to work time and time again, to not include it would be like giving out a 100 piece puzzle with 95 pieces. Again, do your research, find your niche, do what works for you, this is what works for me, give it a shot.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
    #21937442 - 07/13/15 01:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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lovesquare said:
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SteveRogers said:
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lovesquare said:
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SteveRogers said:
YOU HAVE NO TRACK RECORD AT ALL. You have barely been registered for a month.



That means nothing, you're implying someone has to have been registered here to grow? False. I'm positive more growers stay in the shadows then openly post their grows in an online forum, again you have no merit. My technique works for me, and it will help others.




I lurked for almost A DECADE before saying one word on this forum. Don't talk to me about absorbing information before shooting my mouth off.



So your openly admitting that you're a hypocrite. On topic, give this a try folks, you won't regret it.




I'm admitting to doing a long term research project and gathering experience, information, and techniques from many trusted cultivators over the years.

You on the other hand are talking out of your own ass after being here less than a menstrual cycle.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
    #21937448 - 07/13/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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lovesquare said:
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rbalzer said:
it will help others to fail. You still fail to realize oust has little to do with your success.

I know this falls on deaf ears and is pointless. But your responses are adorable




Glade+Oust is a definitive part of my success, it is a part of my sterile technique, that has proven itself to work time and time again, to not include it would be like giving out a 100 piece puzzle with 95 pieces. Again, do your research, find your niche, do what works for you, this is what works for me, give it a shot.



genuine curiosity: have you ever tried your procedure without oust?


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
    #21937449 - 07/13/15 01:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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lovesquare said:
I have NEVER lost a single jar, figured I'd share what I utilize to help others




try growing more and you'll see contams too.

the oust is useless because it has no use. if soap and water is all you need everything else is useless by definition.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
    #21937454 - 07/13/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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lovesquare said:
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insanemike said:
If you have a 100% success rate, it was because you have excellent sterile procedure and I commend you for that. What your 100% success rate was not from was oust+glade. Be proud that you have a very good understanding of sterile procedure and leave it at that because these folks are not going to back down.



I could care less if they back down or not, simply stating what has worked for me and sharing that with the community, thank you for your statement, my sterile procedure as a whole is what I recommend, Glade+Oust being a part of that, I'm simply going to leave it out and say that it has no effect which the others are trying to say. A can of glade+oust, some off brand hand sanitizer, a proper SAB, and a clean room will go a long ways.




Promoting oust is not sterile procedure and you did not state what your sterile procedure was in the op. If your sterile procedure as a whole is what you recommend than you should definitely write up a tek that has step by step instructions with a decent amount of pics to follow along with.




Did you even read the original post? Glade+Oust, hand sanitizer, a proper SAB is all I use and I've NEVER failed. Think what you want, I'll stick to what works for me, and if sharing one's own experiences is frowned upon, LOL, this site wouldn't be what it is today.




Don't get jumpy with me, I have not been rude to you at all. I have read the entire op and that is not a sterile procedure, that is what we call a preperaration.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: insanemike]
    #21937466 - 07/13/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Granted when I had a trich outbreak I downed my grow room in everything I could: but that's not sterile procedure.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: SteveRogers]
    #21937467 - 07/13/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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SteveRogers said:
I'm admitting to doing a long term research project and gathering experience, information, and techniques from many trusted cultivators over the years.

You on the other hand are talking out of your own ass after being here less than a menstrual cycle.




Yet, I could've been here for a decade lurking like yourself claimed, I have all ready mentioned how long I've been coming to this site, read carefully, I too have done my research, and combined a few things I have learned to come up with my own technique that has worked for me, I wouldn't have it any other way, and I praise all of those that have contributed to not only my success, but everyone's else as well.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
    #21937485 - 07/13/15 02:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So after all your research and experience you rely on shitty aerosol sanitizers? I fail to see why you continue to argue this point. Waste of money, time, and introducing toxins to the environment for no reason.

Did you read what I said about one hundred grain to grain transfers in a trich filled room with nothing but soap, water, and an SAB?
The reason this site is what is is today can be attributed to people exposing bullshit like you are posting. This ensures future generations don't rely on a spray, but instead learn proper procedure and more efficient techniques


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: insanemike]
    #21937487 - 07/13/15 02:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Don't get jumpy with me, I have not been rude to you at all. I have read the entire op and that is not a sterile procedure, that is what we call a preperaration.




Not at all, but that is 90% of my sterile procedure, I'll admit that I did leave out previously loosening your jar lids to not have to deal with wet surfaces on top of hand sanitized gloves, because that'll never happen :lol:. Preshake your jars to allow a quick and smooth transfer of grains from one jar to the other, all though this wasn't meant to be a full TEK thread, I can go into complete detail if enough interest arises. Thanks mike.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
    #21937489 - 07/13/15 02:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

oopse, so regretting that i jumped on this thread now. this is painful. the oust is an air sanitizer and surface disinfectant. it kills SOME living microbes, although i can't find any information about their testing or backup of their claims. its the same as using lysol spray, or any other aerosol disinfectant in your SAB. it lessens your chances of contamination by reducing the number of living microbes in t he air. However, it will not kill fungal spores or endospores, so if your technique is bad, you'll likely still get contamination but it may take longer to appear. future readers should know that there is no way to completely sterilize an SAB, so being diligent about sterile technique is more important than what cleaning products you use.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: SteveRogers]
    #21937500 - 07/13/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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So after all your research and experience you rely on shitty aerosol sanitizers? I fail to see why you continue to argue this point. Waste of money, time, and introducing toxins to the environment for no reason.

Did you read what I said about one hundred grain to grain transfers in a trich filled room with nothing but soap, water, and an SAB?
The reason this site is what is is today can be attributed to people exposing bullshit like you are posting. This ensures future generations don't rely on a spray, but instead learn proper procedure and more efficient techniques




I'm not arguing at all, simply stating what works for me, I don't rely on any one thing, I utilize what I have learned and use it to my advantage, and that is my procedure as a whole. Call it bullshit, but I guess bullshit has proven itself to be successful, I can't complain. Who would with zero contams :shrug:.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: knomadic_niki]
    #21937516 - 07/13/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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oopse, so regretting that i jumped on this thread now. this is painful. the oust is an air sanitizer and surface disinfectant. it kills SOME living microbes, although i can't find any information about their testing or backup of their claims. its the same as using lysol spray, or any other aerosol disinfectant in your SAB. it lessens your chances of contamination by reducing the number of living microbes in t he air. However, it will not kill fungal spores or endospores, so if your technique is bad, you'll likely still get contamination but it may take longer to appear. future readers should know that there is no way to completely sterilize an SAB, so being diligent about sterile technique is more important than what cleaning products you use.




Thanks for the thoughtful reply, and I agree it is only a portion among other procedures utilized, not the sole part, but simply A part of the technique itself. I myself use hand sanitizer on the walls of my SAB, rings and glass of my jars, and on my gloves, along with the SAB itself, and air sanitizer both inside and outside my SAB, with great success.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
    #21937554 - 07/13/15 02:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

"Sterile technique refers to procedures by which cultures may be manipulated without infecting the worker or contaminating the cultures or the laboratory environment."

The Oust you're using is part of your preparation.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: Dhearic]
    #21937630 - 07/13/15 02:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Dhearic said:
"Sterile technique refers to procedures by which cultures may be manipulated without infecting the worker or contaminating the cultures or the laboratory environment."

The Oust you're using is part of your preparation.



It has proven itself time and time again to alleviate contaminants, regardless of it being a simple part of preparation, and I stand by it.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21937640 - 07/13/15 02:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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rbalzer said:
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lovesquare said:
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rbalzer said:
it will help others to fail. You still fail to realize oust has little to do with your success.

I know this falls on deaf ears and is pointless. But your responses are adorable




Glade+Oust is a definitive part of my success, it is a part of my sterile technique, that has proven itself to work time and time again, to not include it would be like giving out a 100 piece puzzle with 95 pieces. Again, do your research, find your niche, do what works for you, this is what works for me, give it a shot.



genuine curiosity: have you ever tried your procedure without oust?



A great question alas, no but I wouldn't fringe on my technique because it has a proven success rate for myself. I'm not going to fray away from something that has time in and time out been worthwhile in my endeavors.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: Dhearic]
    #21937658 - 07/13/15 02:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Flogging a dead horse here, but....

Presenting this as advice, especially considering the content of the OP, is not helpful to the myriad of noobs that are yet to come. Presenting those products as a "contams worst enemy" is just plain wrong. Focus on the 90% of your technique that IS giving you those results. That is what noobs need to hear, not the idea that they can use ineffective chemicals as a crutch.

And, sorry to say, but success over a meer 100 quarts is nothing to be too excited about, and "proves" nothing. I g2g'd 63 quarts last Tuesday alone. Just a flow hood n iso. Not gonna be crowing about the 100% success on those jars...

I am happy to hear that your technique is working for you though. Try it with less chems, next time, and let us know how it goes, eh?


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: Green Bastard]
    #21937696 - 07/13/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Green Bastard said:
Flogging a dead horse here, but....

Presenting this as advice, especially considering the content of the OP, is not helpful to the myriad of noobs that are yet to come. Presenting those products as a "contams worst enemy" is just plain wrong. Focus on the 90% of your technique that IS giving you those results. That is what noobs need to hear, not the idea that they can use ineffective chemicals as a crutch.

And, sorry to say, but success over a meer 100 quarts is nothing to be too excited about, and "proves" nothing. I g2g'd 63 quarts last Tuesday alone. Just a flow hood n iso. Not gonna be crowing about the 100% success on those jars...

I am happy to hear that your technique is working for you though. Try it with less chems, next time, and let us know how it goes, eh?




Why would I? My tek works for me, I'm not going to just stop now and try something different after my proven success rate. That would make absolutely no sense, especially after fine tuning it to avoid contams in the first place.:underage:, i did 63 jars last week bro, who gives a shit :shrug:? Using Glade+Oust along my other procedures has a proven track record that should be implemented by anyone looking to avoid contams.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
    #21937726 - 07/13/15 03:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I guess you missed my point...

I expect you're feeling a bit testy, after being jumped on by so many folks. I get that.
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
    #21937740 - 07/13/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

My favorite part about Oust is how high I feel when I walk out of the lab.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: Green Bastard]
    #21937744 - 07/13/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Edit: questions been asked already.


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    #21937776 - 07/13/15 03:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

this is obviously written by a guy who dont know how a SAB works :shrug:

The responses he's getting should tell him so but it seems OP have shut off and just spews out repeated BS.

If you havent even tried without its just moronic to think the oust does the trick.
Its as stupid as considering what color socks to wear when harvesting for best potency. No more green socks, all the shrooms were bunk! :mad:


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    #21937778 - 07/13/15 03:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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..and if it has proven successful for one's grain to grain transfers..



You do realize that you have actually provided no proof whatsoever, right? In order to have some form of proof that it helps at all there needs to be experimentation without the spray as well. Without it, you are just talking out of your ass. Do you really think that out of the masses of growers out there that this hasn't been done countless times? Aerosols are bunk tek, it needs to be phased away with the rest of the bad teks.


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    #21937792 - 07/13/15 03:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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spacechildo said:
this is obviously written by a guy who dont know how a SAB works :shrug:

The responses he's getting should tell him so but it seems OP have shut off and just spews out repeated BS.

If you havent even tried without its just moronic to think the oust does the trick.
Its as stupid as considering what color socks to wear when harvesting for best potency. No more green socks, all the shrooms were bunk! :mad:




I only do transfers after watching porn.  100% success.  Everyone else should give it a try if they care about sterile technique.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #21937796 - 07/13/15 03:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I use what works for me, and a perfect success rate doesn't lie, saying it's useless for someone it works for, makes no sense, bashing someone's sterile technique that has proven 100% success rate, makes no sense. All I'm trying to do is let people know what has worked for me, yet you strong headed folks rather criticize. If this helps one person avoid contaminants, it was worth it.



Well what do you expect. This is a forum. People come here to discuss things not to read and keep their mouths shut. If you want to endorse a product without hearing opinions or criticism buy a banner ad. The fact that some people think Oust is less useful than you think or want to recommend you or others try something else is nothing to get butthurt over.

I know little of your situation but I'd like to point as I would for anyone who claims to have 100% success rate with g2gs, when a jar becomes contaminated during a transfer it rarely prevents it from colonizing. It can still however cause problems after spawning that can seem unrelated.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #21937799 - 07/13/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

spacechildo said:
this is obviously written by a guy who dont know how a SAB works :shrug:

The responses he's getting should tell him so but it seems OP have shut off and just spews out repeated BS.

If you havent even tried without its just moronic to think the oust does the trick.
Its as stupid as considering what color socks to wear when harvesting for best potency. No more green socks, all the shrooms were bunk! :mad:




I only do transfers after watching porn.  100% success.  Everyone else should give it a try if they care about sterile technique.




I do them after anal and don't wear gloves. i use Oust though so I have 100% success rates.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
    #21937801 - 07/13/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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lovesquare said:
Quote:

Green Bastard said:
Flogging a dead horse here, but....

Presenting this as advice, especially considering the content of the OP, is not helpful to the myriad of noobs that are yet to come. Presenting those products as a "contams worst enemy" is just plain wrong. Focus on the 90% of your technique that IS giving you those results. That is what noobs need to hear, not the idea that they can use ineffective chemicals as a crutch.

And, sorry to say, but success over a meer 100 quarts is nothing to be too excited about, and "proves" nothing. I g2g'd 63 quarts last Tuesday alone. Just a flow hood n iso. Not gonna be crowing about the 100% success on those jars...

I am happy to hear that your technique is working for you though. Try it with less chems, next time, and let us know how it goes, eh?




Why would I? My tek works for me, I'm not going to just stop now and try something different after my proven success rate. That would make absolutely no sense, especially after fine tuning it to avoid contams in the first place.:underage:, i did 63 jars last week bro, who gives a shit :shrug:? Using Glade+Oust along my other procedures has a proven track record that should be implemented by anyone looking to avoid contams.




But if you've never tried it without the oust how do you know the oust is doing anything for you at all?

Everyone here is telling you that it is not doing anything and you are wasting time effort and money and telling other people to do likewise all because you feel silly now and would prefer to be stubborn rather than admit that the oust isn't needed.

At this point I'd rather believe that you are just trolling tbh.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: insanemike]
    #21937803 - 07/13/15 03:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The number one rule in science experiments is there should only be one variable. If your preperation and procedure have always been the same, how would you know what exactly is the reason for your success?  How would you know you're not wasting your money, time and effort on disinfecting the air? What if you were doing it for no reason except for the fact that it gives you a little extra confidence, can you live with that? If so, why spread advice on something that your not absolutely positive that that's the reason for all of your success?


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: spacechildo]
    #21937822 - 07/13/15 03:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

spacechildo said:
this is obviously written by a guy who dont know how a SAB works :shrug:

The responses he's getting should tell him so but it seems OP have shut off and just spews out repeated BS.

If you havent even tried without its just moronic to think the oust does the trick.
Its as stupid as considering what color socks to wear when harvesting for best potency. No more green socks, all the shrooms were bunk! :mad:



Makes no sense, it is a part of my technique, it works for me, and it will work for others, it isn't a simple fix all, obviously.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
    #21937830 - 07/13/15 03:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

exactly, it makes no sense.

my green socks didnt matter and your oust didnt matter. at all. still air is still air you cant clean the air so any attempts at using
that to reduce contaminants is futile.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: Juiceh]
    #21937831 - 07/13/15 03:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Juiceh said:
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lovesquare said:
..and if it has proven successful for one's grain to grain transfers..



You do realize that you have actually provided no proof whatsoever, right? In order to have some form of proof that it helps at all there needs to be experimentation without the spray as well. Without it, you are just talking out of your ass. Do you really think that out of the masses of growers out there that this hasn't been done countless times? Aerosols are bunk tek, it needs to be phased away with the rest of the bad teks.



Nope, not at all, and word of mouth is the way the world goes round, my as well convince yourself now my friend, again I'm not forcing this upon anyone, just spreading the word that this has worked in the past, and will continue to work in the future, regardless of what you think.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
    #21937833 - 07/13/15 03:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Using oust makes no sense, it should'nt be a part of my technique, it doesn't do anything, and it won't for others, my bad everyone I am trolling.





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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: Kizzle]
    #21937844 - 07/13/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I use what works for me, and a perfect success rate doesn't lie, saying it's useless for someone it works for, makes no sense, bashing someone's sterile technique that has proven 100% success rate, makes no sense. All I'm trying to do is let people know what has worked for me, yet you strong headed folks rather criticize. If this helps one person avoid contaminants, it was worth it.



Well what do you expect. This is a forum. People come here to discuss things not to read and keep their mouths shut. If you want to endorse a product without hearing opinions or criticism buy a banner ad. The fact that some people think Oust is less useful than you think or want to recommend you or others try something else is nothing to get butthurt over.

I know little of your situation but I'd like to point as I would for anyone who claims to have 100% success rate with g2gs, when a jar becomes contaminated during a transfer it rarely prevents it from colonizing. It can still however cause problems after spawning that can seem unrelated.



I'm not butthurt at all, I think 90% of the people posting against me are, they can't stand that someone has a proven track record of zero contams using a method like this, regardless of their findings or research, it works for me, I won't stop utilizing this technique, why should I :shrug:? Not at all interested in inferior methods which my introduce contaminants and I doubt new growers expect anything less than something that has worked perfectly.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
    #21937848 - 07/13/15 03:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm just gonna lol when you have no eyebrows from concentrating flammable shit in your box.


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    #21937852 - 07/13/15 03:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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lovesquare said:


Glade+Oust is an ample part of my technique, in which has proven to eliminate contams, and provide successful colonization after successful colonization.





Truth.




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    #21937855 - 07/13/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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36fuckin5 said:
I'm just gonna lol when you have no eyebrows from concentrating flammable shit in your box.




Again, you make no sense.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: insanemike]
    #21937867 - 07/13/15 03:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I had a much higher rate of contaminants with my grain to grains and agar work when I used lysol + oust.  I focused so much time 'sanitizing' the air, SAB, table, carpet, room etc.  When I would finally get to doing the work I would be tired of cleaning and light headed from all the fumes and bleach.  Seemed like a huge chore to get anything done and kinda took the fun out of it after awhile. 

What really increased my success rate was calming down, doing a quick wipedown with water + soap, and focusing on my technique.  I setup, take a quick shower, and am ready to go in 15min. Beats sealing myself off in some hot sweaty closet and coming out smelling like a chemical factory.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
    #21937876 - 07/13/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Okay now I understand.

I always start wondering how is it possible not to get what so many people are saying?
truth is its not. Its been stated so perfectly clear and no one is too dumb to get it by now; The oust doesnt matter, you havent even tried without it.

Conclusion; OP is trolling. Fuck off troll.

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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
    #21937879 - 07/13/15 03:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

newrook said:
Quote:

lovesquare said:


Glade+Oust is an ample part of my technique, in which has proven to eliminate contams, and provide successful colonization after successful colonization.





Truth.







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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: Mad Season]
    #21937956 - 07/13/15 04:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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All I use is soap and water. Not any sanitizers. If you follow my sanitary tek in my sig, you'll see what techniques are. I would advocate my sig way more over a bottle of oust any day of the week.

Next up, how many jars have you done? Also just because you haven't thrown a jar out, doesn't mean it was completely clean either.



You didn't even read this did you OP? Also when I was at 100 jars, I thought I had a great success rate too. Looking back I realize almost every damn jar had bacteria. A mushroom smell doesn't mean shit. Look for ANY wet grains or a thick white cottage cheese look in the mycelium.

Sure I'll use oust next time. It won't improve my success rate though, which is already 99%. That's why we say it's useless. The only 1% is due to my own fuck ups. Making mistakes, dropping stuff, or having my hand hover over open media.


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    #21937962 - 07/13/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I had a much higher rate of contaminants with my grain to grains and agar work when I used lysol + oust.  I focused so much time 'sanitizing' the air, SAB, table, carpet, room etc.  When I would finally get to doing the work I would be tired of cleaning and light headed from all the fumes and bleach.  Seemed like a huge chore to get anything done and kinda took the fun out of it after awhile. 

What really increased my success rate was calming down, doing a quick wipedown with water + soap, and focusing on my technique.  I setup, take a quick shower, and am ready to go in 15min. Beats sealing myself off in some hot sweaty closet and coming out smelling like a chemical factory.



If you had contamination problems while using Oust I suspect it's from spraying it directly into the box. Nothing stirs shit up like a stream of pressurized gas. Spraying a little around into the air before you work shouldn't hurt anything. Got to keep in mind though Oust kills bacteria in aersolized water droplets like what you're constantly exhaling, not so much on bacteria on dry dust that you might stir up so there's the opportunity for it to be counterproductive if using it as a surface disinfectant.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: spacechildo]
    #21937968 - 07/13/15 04:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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exactly, it makes no sense.

my green socks didnt matter and your oust didnt matter. at all. still air is still air you cant clean the air so any attempts at using
that to reduce contaminants is futile.



:whathesaid: when air is still, everything settles. Why would you need any air sanitizers when everything SHOULD be settled on the bottom or stuck to the walls.


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    #21938054 - 07/13/15 04:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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If you had contamination problems while using Oust I suspect it's from spraying it directly into the box. Nothing stirs shit up like a stream of pressurized gas. Spraying a little around into the air before you work shouldn't hurt anything.




Yep, I was much more concerned with cleaning then I was with just letting the SAB sit there and do its thing. 

Also nothing like trying to do agar transfers while pouring sweat in a full tyvek suit in a foggy SAB while your light headed from chemicals and shaking from all the coffee you drank cleaning.  Done with all that stress, and it shows.


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    #21938092 - 07/13/15 04:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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  it works for me, I won't stop utilizing this technique, why should I .....




At this point, I don't think that anyone is really trying to convince you to stop. Hey, it's working for you, so fill yer boots!

However. What folks seem to be asking you to do, is this:

If you wish to present this as advice. Which, as you can see by now, is not a widely accepted protocol, you need to realize that you are presenting this almost exclusively to impressionable noobs.

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All I'm trying to do is let people know what has worked for me..... If this helps one person avoid contaminants, it was worth it.




Then, you need to have tried several methods, to at least make an honest comparison. Otherwise, unfortunately, you may do more harm than good.


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  it works for me, I won't stop utilizing this technique, why should I .....




At this point, I don't think that anyone is really trying to convince you to stop. Hey, it's working for you, so fill yer boots!

However. What folks seem to be asking you to do, is this:

If you wish to present this as advice. Which, as you can see by now, is not a widely accepted protocol, you need to realize that you are presenting this almost exclusively to impressionable noobs.

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lovesquare said:
All I'm trying to do is let people know what has worked for me..... If this helps one person avoid contaminants, it was worth it.




Then, you need to have tried several methods, to at least make an honest comparison. Otherwise, unfortunately, you may do more harm than good.




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    #21938130 - 07/13/15 04:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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lovesquare said:

  it works for me, I won't stop utilizing this technique, why should I .....




At this point, I don't think that anyone is really trying to convince you to stop. Hey, it's working for you, so fill yer boots!

However. What folks seem to be asking you to do, is this:

If you wish to present this as advice. Which, as you can see by now, is not a widely accepted protocol, you need to realize that you are presenting this almost exclusively to impressionable noobs.

Quote:

lovesquare said:
All I'm trying to do is let people know what has worked for me..... If this helps one person avoid contaminants, it was worth it.




Then, you need to have tried several methods, to at least make an honest comparison. Otherwise, unfortunately, you may do more harm than good.




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    #21938151 - 07/13/15 04:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Okay now I understand.

I always start wondering how is it possible not to get what so many people are saying?
truth is its not. Its been stated so perfectly clear and no one is too dumb to get it by now; The oust doesnt matter, you havent even tried without it.

Conclusion; OP is trolling. Fuck off troll.

and to anyone claiming 100% track record, grow more shrooms :lol:



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    #21938193 - 07/13/15 04:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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spacechildo said:
Okay now I understand.

I always start wondering how is it possible not to get what so many people are saying?
truth is its not. Its been stated so perfectly clear and no one is too dumb to get it by now; The oust doesnt matter, you havent even tried without it.

Conclusion; OP is trolling. Fuck off troll.

and to anyone claiming 100% track record, grow more shrooms :lol:



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    #21938213 - 07/13/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Best SAB spray is a mix of bleach, water, dish soap, and jet dry. Once you try it you will never go back.

Fill the bottle with water most of the way, then add 2 tablespoons of bleach, 2 tablespoons of dish soap, and a tablespoon of jet dry.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: spacechildo]
    #21938462 - 07/13/15 06:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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this is obviously written by a guy who dont know how a SAB works :shrug:

The responses he's getting should tell him so but it seems OP have shut off and just spews out repeated BS.

If you havent even tried without its just moronic to think the oust does the trick.
Its as stupid as considering what color socks to wear when harvesting for best potency. No more green socks, all the shrooms were bunk! :mad:



you hit this one on the nose.

When he said he wouldn't even consider trying it without oust I knew it was hopeless. I'm starting to think that OP is 100% pure troll. He knows to use soapy water and does IRL. He's just successfully rustling our jimmies with his feigned retardation.


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    #21938526 - 07/13/15 06:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm just gonna lol when you have no eyebrows from concentrating flammable shit in your box.




Again, you make no sense.



You think it won't happen...just wait. I used SAB's in the same way that you do now when I first started, alcohol and oust. Took a long time to happen, but when you get your first glove-box fire it scares you straight. Burned all the hair off of my arms, singed my eyelashes/eyebrows badly, and lightly burned my face. Not to mention the potential of burning your house down :yesnod:


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    #21938591 - 07/13/15 06:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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If you had contamination problems while using Oust I suspect it's from spraying it directly into the box. Nothing stirs shit up like a stream of pressurized gas. Spraying a little around into the air before you work shouldn't hurt anything.




Yep, I was much more concerned with cleaning then I was with just letting the SAB sit there and do its thing. 

Also nothing like trying to do agar transfers while pouring sweat in a full tyvek suit in a foggy SAB while your light headed from chemicals and shaking from all the coffee you drank cleaning.  Done with all that stress, and it shows.



I started out the same way. Then over time little by little I realized a lot of it just wasn't necessary. I'm always a little hesitant to make recommendations based solely on what's worked for me because I know we're all working in different environments but some stuff is clearly overkill.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: Kizzle]
    #21939012 - 07/13/15 08:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

wow, y'all sure know how to beat a dead horse....but here i go joining in the beating...

so, op, listen up. a "still air box" (SAB) works by creating a work area with no drafts (the air is still). when air is still, the particulates settle out. that is why your contenders here are saying sterilizing the air is unneccessary. you place your items in the box, let it sit for a minute to let the air settle, wipe the box clean on the inside, let it sit a while longer, then sterilize your tools and jars etc right before you work, and you'll be fine with good sterile technique. so, because you let the air settle, cleaned the inside of the box, and didn't introduce any more air, your SAB is as clean as its going to get. no flammable aerosols needed. make sense?


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    #21941199 - 07/14/15 09:06 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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wow, y'all sure know how to beat a dead horse....but here i go joining in the beating...

so, op, listen up. a "still air box" (SAB) works by creating a work area with no drafts (the air is still). when air is still, the particulates settle out. that is why your contenders here are saying sterilizing the air is unneccessary. you place your items in the box, let it sit for a minute to let the air settle, wipe the box clean on the inside, let it sit a while longer, then sterilize your tools and jars etc right before you work, and you'll be fine with good sterile technique. so, because you let the air settle, cleaned the inside of the box, and didn't introduce any more air, your SAB is as clean as its going to get. no flammable aerosols needed. make sense?



That's why I said let it settle for 15 mins. I'm getting a lot interest in my technique from those wishing to experience less contams and want to utilize my technique. Just follow the simple steps I have laid within and remember folks, this is for grain to grain transfers only.


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    #21941235 - 07/14/15 09:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

OK we get it you're a troll. Just stop promoting garbage and let this thread die already


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    #21941274 - 07/14/15 09:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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OK we get it you're a troll. Just stop promoting garbage and let this thread die already



Not at all worried about what you think, just trying to allow others a contaminant free environment and grow session so they don't have to be halted in their endeavors by something as simple to avoid as contams. I would highly recommend my technique and it has proven successful in the past. But I will try soap and water to replace the hand sanitizer in the future, but I will never stop utilizing the glade+oust, it has too many benefits when it pertains to preventing airborne contaminants.


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    #21941278 - 07/14/15 09:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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    #21941294 - 07/14/15 09:38 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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All I use is soap and water. Not any sanitizers. If you follow my sanitary tek in my sig, you'll see what techniques are. I would advocate my sig way more over a bottle of oust any day of the week.

Next up, how many jars have you done? Also just because you haven't thrown a jar out, doesn't mean it was completely clean either.



You didn't even read this did you OP? Also when I was at 100 jars, I thought I had a great success rate too. Looking back I realize almost every damn jar had bacteria. A mushroom smell doesn't mean shit. Look for ANY wet grains or a thick white cottage cheese look in the mycelium.

Sure I'll use oust next time. It won't improve my success rate though, which is already 99%. That's why we say it's useless. The only 1% is due to my own fuck ups. Making mistakes, dropping stuff, or having my hand hover over open media.



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exactly, it makes no sense.

my green socks didnt matter and your oust didnt matter. at all. still air is still air you cant clean the air so any attempts at using
that to reduce contaminants is futile.



:whathesaid: when air is still, everything settles. Why would you need any air sanitizers when everything SHOULD be settled on the bottom or stuck to the walls.



You haven't read anything I've said. I told you what would happen if I used it. And I told you why it doesn't make sense. You didn't tell people HOW you g2g, which is real sterile techniques. However I'm not really even interested in getting trolled anymore.

Unless your techniques are just limited to oust.. in which case I'm just going to hide this thread right now.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: Mad Season]
    #21941304 - 07/14/15 09:41 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

referring to spraying oust as a technique is pretty amusing.

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    #21941338 - 07/14/15 09:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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You didn't tell people HOW you g2g.



Basically I spray the transfer room and adjacent rooms with glade+oust, extremely thoroughly to eliminate airborne contams, making sure to cut off the ac or heat prior. Wipe down the sab with hand sanitizer on all 6 sides, load up my SAB, loosen the rings on the jars for easy access, then thoroughly wipe down them with hand sanitizer. Once everything's sanitized, I spray glade+oust in the SAB and let it setter for a quarter hour or so. Then I take my preshaken master grain jar, and remove the ring.

Now, quickly transfer some grains from the master to your sterilized grain jars, only leaving the lids open for as much time as needed to transfer. I find I can easily use 1 master for a dozen grain transfers. I'm sure you could use it for more, but I find that this is enough grain to ensure a speedy recovery and decent colonization times.


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    #21941347 - 07/14/15 09:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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You didn't tell people HOW you g2g.



Basically I spray the transfer room and adjacent rooms with glade+oust, extremely thoroughly to eliminate airborne contams,




pointless. cant be done. just as the prev 104 postts in this thread have told ya.


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You didn't tell people HOW you g2g.



Basically I spray the transfer room and adjacent rooms with glade+oust, extremely thoroughly to eliminate airborne contams,




pointless. cant be done. just as the prev 104 postts in this thread have told ya.



Huh? That's what I purposely do, it's like a fog in the transfer room, this is how you know it was done right/thoroughly. Plus it's great for a fresher, cleaner house. Great for mushroom growing, great for avoiding contams, great for the air, it's a win win. Also i wanted to add that while letting the fog settle, you can still easily see and be able to work sterily. Just give it about ten minutes or so. Clean air+clean room+SAB+hand sanitizer has worked great, but I will try soap and water to replace the hand sanitizer to save some money if it works.


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    #21941362 - 07/14/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

we all know you use soap and don't have 100% success rates. sssshhhhh


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    #21941368 - 07/14/15 09:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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we all know you use soap and don't have 100% success rates. sssshhhhh



Sorry for the confusion, I meant I wanted to replace the hand sanitizer with soap+water wipedown to see if I can still maintain my 100% success rate with zero contams, as you all have recommended, thanks for the tips.


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    #21941379 - 07/14/15 09:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Clean air+clean room+SAB+hand sanitizer has worked great




YOU DONT HAVE CLEAN AIR.

Is there anybody home? hello? why do you keep repeating this. stop.

oh yeah I forgot, fuck off troll. obvious pubfag is trolling.


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    #21941388 - 07/14/15 10:00 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm sure you don't use a spoon and just pour it in! :thumbup: throw that g2g technique in your op, and then noobs reading this will get taught real stuff on sterility. They might do soap and water based on the comments or use yours :smile:. That's my opinion.


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Clean air+clean room+SAB+hand sanitizer has worked great




YOU DONT HAVE CLEAN AIR.

Is there anybody home? hello? why do you keep repeating this. stop.

oh yeah I forgot, fuck off troll. obvious pubfag is trolling.



Well I would imagine that if you don't have some kind of air purifier in each room of your house your air isn't going to be that clean, that's what I'm saying, that's why I benefit from the glade+oust to alleviate most of the airborne contams before I work in my sab, maybe just soap+water+settling will do the trick, I'm not doubting you guys, but I wouldn't want to risk it in this old home. The air sanitization definitely has something to do with my track record, and those in similar grow environments can definitely benefit.


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    #21941413 - 07/14/15 10:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Op, if you want cleaner, fresher air, build a flowhood and run it for an hour or two everyday. Air freshioners are a scam and really only mask odors.


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    #21941415 - 07/14/15 10:08 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm sure you don't use a spoon and just pour it in! :thumbup: throw that g2g technique in your op, and then noobs reading this will get taught real stuff on sterility. They might do soap and water based on the comments or use yours :smile:. That's my opinion.



Thanks man, no wouldn't bother with a spoon, just another surface to provide possible contamination, all though a simple wipe down with hand sanitizer would be fine, I think. A quick tap on the side of a jar, get those grains transfered, quickly cap up both jars, and a gentle shake to get things going, is full proof.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: insanemike]
    #21941426 - 07/14/15 10:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Op, if you want cleaner, fresher air, build a flowhood and run it for an hour or two everyday. Air freshioners are a scam and really only mask odors.



Hey mike, I'm definitely looking into flowhoods all though I don't have a lot of money to play with (not much at all) but I'll be growing edibles/medicinals in the coming months in my new grow room we recently cleaned out :smile:. Will definitely keep you all updated and I have a new camera heading my way, a hand me down from an educated photographer. I can't wait to get it and use it to show you guys what I'm talking about and also do some hunting.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
    #21941428 - 07/14/15 10:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

you are most certainly NOT eliminating airborn contams with oust. why don't you believe 10 people with tons of experience? if you stopped buying hand sanitizer and oust, you could afford a flow hood and actually produce nearly sterile air. in the mean time, you don't need it to use an SAB. save your cash, build a flow hood soon


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    #21941458 - 07/14/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I will promise you this. If you build that flowhood, turn it on and leave it to scrub the air for an hour. When you go back into that room and breathe in that air, you will never want to breathe any other air again. OMG, it's almost as good as an orgasm.


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    #21941470 - 07/14/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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you are most certainly NOT eliminating airborn contams with oust. why don't you believe 10 people with tons of experience? if you stopped buying hand sanitizer and oust, you could afford a flow hood and actually produce nearly sterile air. in the mean time, you don't need it to use an SAB. save your cash, build a flow hood soon



I wouldn't say I'm completely eliminating them, but definitely reducing the amount of contams inside and outside the SAB, all though the hand sanitizer mega bottle at costco goes a long way, as well as the glade+oust at lowes, I will be investing in a flow hood for my upcoming endeavors in edibles/medicinals. It's not all that expensive but I do agree that flow hoods are the BEST when it comes to sterile techniques as a whole. I'm just simply utilizing what has worked for me, and all though I could change now, I simply could'nt fathom with dealing with contams, as I have avoided completely up to now. I believe my technique and properly releasing endospores and following the correct soaking/boiling/pressure cooking preparation for grains contributes to my success.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: insanemike]
    #21941478 - 07/14/15 10:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I will promise you this. If you build that flowhood, turn it on and leave it to scrub the air for an hour. When you go back into that room and breathe in that air, you will never want to breathe any other air again. OMG, it's almost as good as an orgasm.



Hey Mike, I'll take your word for it brother! :heart: I'm looking forward to moving on to advance techniques and technology, I can't wait to breath in that fresh goodness. I'm really excited to get back into growing, and now that I have the space and support, I going to be diving much deeper than before.


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    #21941518 - 07/14/15 10:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Just remember that a flowhood is not a substitute for great sterile technique.


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    #21941543 - 07/14/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Just remember that a flowhood is not a substitute for great sterile technique.



O no, I wouldn't compromise sterile technique as a whole, just use a proper flowhood for A part of it. Thanks for the advice. I going to do some more reading on them in order to incorporate it into what I've learned and utilized to my advantage thus far. Definitely looks promising. Thanks mike.


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    #21941550 - 07/14/15 10:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If you have any questions on building a flowhood, just pm me.


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    #21941562 - 07/14/15 10:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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If you have any questions on building a flowhood, just pm me.



Once I get into it a bit more and start getting things rolling this fall, I'll definitely take you up on the offer, appreciate it brother, +5.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
    #21941612 - 07/14/15 11:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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knomadic_niki said:
you are most certainly NOT eliminating airborn contams with oust. why don't you believe 10 people with tons of experience? if you stopped buying hand sanitizer and oust, you could afford a flow hood and actually produce nearly sterile air. in the mean time, you don't need it to use an SAB. save your cash, build a flow hood soon



I wouldn't say I'm completely eliminating them, but definitely reducing the amount of contams inside and outside the SAB, all though the hand sanitizer mega bottle at costco goes a long way, as well as the glade+oust at lowes, I will be investing in a flow hood for my upcoming endeavors in edibles/medicinals. It's not all that expensive but I do agree that flow hoods are the BEST when it comes to sterile techniques as a whole. I'm just simply utilizing what has worked for me, and all though I could change now, I simply could'nt fathom with dealing with contams, as I have avoided completely up to now. I believe my technique and properly releasing endospores and following the correct soaking/boiling/pressure cooking preparation for grains contributes to my success.




lovesquare said:
Basically I spray the transfer room and adjacent rooms with glade+oust, extremely thoroughly to eliminate airborne contams,




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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: stevo]
    #21941756 - 07/14/15 11:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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lovesquare, I admit I kind of skimmed over this post, so I dont know if its been mentioned as to WHY the soapwater is so effective. The very first thing I do when busting out the still air box is spray it down with lysol.  Im usually suited up and sitting down at that point and I happen to normally have lysol around, so I give it a "whore bath" for safe measure..  Its good shit IMO even though some say I am being anal.  Its cheap and why not I say.  Anyway, the 2nd thing I do is spray it with soapwater.  The reason soapwater is so great is because the box stays wet way longer than lysol, oust, oust and so on which dries up right away.  By the time I have got all my shit ready and my hands in there, there is no disinfectant at all in the box.  I often run out of disinfectants and still keep on nocing up jars.  Ive never noticed any lesser of a success rate.  If you ever wind up doing 16 quarts a nighy for a month straight you will see what I mean about the annoyance of having to reapply disinfectelant sprays to the walls of the SAB more frequently.



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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21941964 - 07/14/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i challenge love square to do his/her same preparation procedure without oust and hand sanitizer, just soap/water inside the SAB, and clean hands and tools (i use 90% iso in a spray bottle but i suppose hand sanitizer would work for hands and tools). then, open 10 agar dishes inside the SAB as if he/she were doing a transfer. report your results back here


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    #21941969 - 07/14/15 12:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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lovesquare, I admit I kind of skimmed over this post, so I dont know if its been mentioned as to WHY the soapwater is so effective. The very first thing I do when busting out the still air box is spray it down with lysol.  Im usually suited up and sitting down at that point and I happen to normally have lysol around, so I give it a "whore bath" for safe measure..  Its good shit IMO even though some say I am being anal.  Its cheap and why not I say.  Anyway, the 2nd thing I do is spray it with soapwater.  The reason soapwater is so great is because the box stays wet way longer than lysol, oust, oust and so on which dries up right away.  By the time I have got all my shit ready and my hands in there, there is no disinfectant at all in the box.  I often run out of disinfectants and still keep on nocing up jars.  Ive never noticed any lesser of a success rate.  If you ever wind up doing 16 quarts a nighy for a month straight you will see what I mean about the annoyance of having to reapply disinfectelant sprays to the walls of the SAB more frequently.



Yeah i get what your saying, the hand sanitizer seems to stay "wet" on the walls for a while as well, and I agree lysol and oust wouldn't go a long way as far as keeping contams sticking to them as a surface disinfectant. I'm just utilizing it for the air and rely on the hand sanitizer (heeping portions might I add) for the surface stickiness for contams, as well as sanitizing my jars, lids and rings. I'm going to try soap water in my upcoming edible grow as it does seem far superior to hand sanitizer for what I'm using it for, and I won't deny that.


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    #21941995 - 07/14/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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i challenge love square to do his/her same preparation procedure without oust and hand sanitizer, just soap/water inside the SAB, and clean hands and tools. then, open 10 agar dishes inside the SAB as if he/she were doing a transfer. report your results back here



Once I dive into agar and edibles this fall, I'm going to be branching out from my usual technique due to the overwhelming support of soap water and I'll keep everyone updated on my success rate as far as fine tuning my procedure goes. I just wanted to reiterate what has worked for me and hopefully help other at the same time, as this was done in an old house, (luckily without carpet), and now that I have a great grow room, (that I'm going to clean top to bottom and take necessary precautions from everything that could possibly go wrong), I hope to take advantage of the advice here as well as my own research, to absolutely fine tune EVERYTHING, including agar, flowhood, grain to grain and liquid culture, no need to short cut anything, as these are all simple techniques and nothing should deter new growers to experienced growers alike.


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    #21942031 - 07/14/15 01:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i suggested the use of agar because you will be able to see if there are any contaminants within a few days instead of waiting until you expand to bulk sub. it shouldn't require any different of a technique than your g2g process


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    #21942093 - 07/14/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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i suggested the use of agar because you will be able to see if there are any contaminants within a few days instead of waiting until you expand to bulk sub. it shouldn't require any different of a technique than your g2g process



Yeah, this is what interests me in agar, and I'm looking forward to utilizing it for my upcoming grows, along with my current grain to grain technique and also branching out into soap water for a surface disinfectant variant.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
    #21942130 - 07/14/15 01:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I'll be growing edibles/medicinals in the coming months in my new grow room we recently cleaned out



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    #21942145 - 07/14/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I'll be growing edibles/medicinals in the coming months in my new grow room we recently cleaned out



With lysol+oust spray???! :wink:



Of course, it works wonders, but won't bother with adjacent rooms because this will be a closed space as is. I may take you all up on the offer and give it a shot without, just for the :lol:


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    #21942192 - 07/14/15 02:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I'll be growing edibles/medicinals in the coming months in my new grow room we recently cleaned out



With lysol+oust spray???! :wink:



Of course, it works wonders, but won't bother with adjacent rooms because this will be a closed space as is. I may take you all up on the offer and give it a shot without, just for the :lol:





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    #21942276 - 07/14/15 02:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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    #21942893 - 07/14/15 04:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Also, in response to sanitizing gloves, jar lids, rings I would recommend ethanol.  Ive never bothered with oust because its like pissing in the wind basically, but for these purposes lysol will really tear up glove and tyvek sleeves and likely a lot of filter material.  I recommend rubbing alcohol.  There is no residue left behind by it.  This is not just something Ive read either.  Ive seen rubber gloves literally vaporize away from the chemical reaction.  So as mentioned Ive never tried the oust, but it isnt a surface disinfectant it is an air sanitizer.



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    #21942911 - 07/14/15 05:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Also, in response to sanitizing gloves, jar lids, rings I would recommend ethanol.  Ive never bothered with oust because its like pissing in the wind basically, but for these purposes lysol will really tear up glove and tyvek sleeves and likely a lot of filter material.  I recommend rubbing alcohol.  There is no residue left behind by it.  This is not just something Ive read either.  Ive seen rubber gloves literally vaporize away from the chemical reaction.  So as mentioned Ive never tried the oust, but it isnt a surface disinfectant it is an air sanitizer.




I like to Lysol work surfaces and 70% alcohol everything else. Not above 70%- that won't evaporate as easily making it less effective as a sanitizer.


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    #21943064 - 07/14/15 05:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I give my flowhood a good 70% iso wipe down before turning it on and then a good quick evaporative spray afterward. I also use germ-x for lids, gloves and scalpel (handel) before each and every transfer because when it dries, it becomes a bit tacky which aids in preventing laminar air from blowing spores or endospores off of my hands or tools when performing sterile work.

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I do flame sterilize.


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    #21943103 - 07/14/15 05:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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i suggested the use of agar because you will be able to see if there are any contaminants within a few days instead of waiting until you expand to bulk sub. it shouldn't require any different of a technique than your g2g process



Yeah, this is what interests me in agar, and I'm looking forward to utilizing it for my upcoming grows, along with my current grain to grain technique and also branching out into soap water for a surface disinfectant variant.




my point was to use the agar to test if your oust actually does anything....


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i suggested the use of agar because you will be able to see if there are any contaminants within a few days instead of waiting until you expand to bulk sub. it shouldn't require any different of a technique than your g2g process



Yeah, this is what interests me in agar, and I'm looking forward to utilizing it for my upcoming grows, along with my current grain to grain technique and also branching out into soap water for a surface disinfectant variant.




my point was to use the agar to test if your oust actually does anything....



Good idea, I will use both.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: knomadic_niki]
    #21943193 - 07/14/15 06:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I feel like I wasted more time with oust/Lysol air sprays instead of focusing on proper sterile technique and that was why my initial contam rate was damn near 50%. After throughly studying sterile technique and asking questions its down to maybe 10% if I get lazy. If it's working, its working whatever. It was a similar type thread that got me using the stuff when I first started like 6 months ago and it was a bummer. Congrats on 100% through 100 jars though, thats dope. Eventually something will get contaminated, its inevitable. It was after my first month or two and 150jars/cakes that I really got shit going right.

We'll all know if he's truly a troll in a couple weeks/months when we see a post saying he lost his 100% success rate because everybody told him to try it without! Lol. Like I said though, can't argue with numbers. I just think it has a lot more to do with your sterile technique being on point inside the box instead of aerosols. Next time I'd just label the thread something a bit different and maybe just approach the criticism with more open-mindedness as opposed to arguing an invalid point. No one was questioning your success, I think they just wanted you to realize it was more how on point your technique was and that the aerosol was just a superstition thing not really rooted in any kind of fact. But yeah, congrats. And you'll like agar I think. I just started this week and it seems to be going well so far, just noticed my first contam from a very dirty old print I had. It is so nice seeing them now instead of having them fuck up fruiting later.

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Edit: a flow hood can only help if it's done right and make things easier on ya, mad jealous of your soon to come flow hood. One day I get there.


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: MagicInMichigan]
    #21949319 - 07/15/15 08:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I find utilizing the full spectrum sterile technique, both air and surface, alleviates ALL contams, but I would like to try this method while working with agar as it seems a bit more risky with outside access. I will keep everyone updated as I transfer my G2G strategy to agar work.


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You're gonna find a few changes been going down there.

If you go down to the gas-powered flatland,
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Remember the peace that you had on the mountain,
Come back to the love that you had here with me...


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
    #21950079 - 07/15/15 11:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Even if I don't necessarily agree with the reasoning, I would love to alleviate ALL contams, I'm jealous of that 100% regardless of ho you got it. If I had that instead of the maybe 80%I'm working with(after averaging in my 50%first two months to my 90%+ now) I would have a good 300-350 more jars I didn't lose and that would be ideal.

All this contam talk is making me say fuck it and drop the cash on a flowhood asap. Ugh, $2,300 a month rent+whatever other expenses I incur monthly is really making me want to get ride if this beautiful rooftop loft already... I really think you'll like agar, it's. Fucking awesome IMHO. Makes for very fast colonization and almost guarantee no contams now. Plus it looks so cool when the plate starts to take off. I can't wait to make another 10 or so white morel plates and a. Inch of LC's to feed my soon to be outdoor morel bed for next year. Can't wait to see some shroom pics in the future.


-MIM


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“the only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars.”

I surround myself with people who aren't afraid to live. They have had what they love most taken from them, be it freedom, love, money, or anything for that matter. When you lose your greatest love you also lose your greatest fear, when that happens you are completely and utterly free.


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