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lovesquare
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: 36fuckin5]
#21937855 - 07/13/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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36fuckin5 said: I'm just gonna lol when you have no eyebrows from concentrating flammable shit in your box.
Again, you make no sense.
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CMOSS
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: insanemike]
#21937867 - 07/13/15 03:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I had a much higher rate of contaminants with my grain to grains and agar work when I used lysol + oust. I focused so much time 'sanitizing' the air, SAB, table, carpet, room etc. When I would finally get to doing the work I would be tired of cleaning and light headed from all the fumes and bleach. Seemed like a huge chore to get anything done and kinda took the fun out of it after awhile.
What really increased my success rate was calming down, doing a quick wipedown with water + soap, and focusing on my technique. I setup, take a quick shower, and am ready to go in 15min. Beats sealing myself off in some hot sweaty closet and coming out smelling like a chemical factory.
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spacechildo
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
#21937876 - 07/13/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Okay now I understand.
I always start wondering how is it possible not to get what so many people are saying? truth is its not. Its been stated so perfectly clear and no one is too dumb to get it by now; The oust doesnt matter, you havent even tried without it.
Conclusion; OP is trolling. Fuck off troll.
and to anyone claiming 100% track record, grow more shrooms
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newrook
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
#21937879 - 07/13/15 03:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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lovesquare said:
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newrook said:
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lovesquare said:
Glade+Oust is an ample part of my technique, in which has proven to eliminate contams, and provide successful colonization after successful colonization.
Truth.
lock her up mods? nothing good going to come out of this thread continuing imo
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Mad Season
hookers and blackjack



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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: Mad Season]
#21937956 - 07/13/15 04:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: All I use is soap and water. Not any sanitizers. If you follow my sanitary tek in my sig, you'll see what techniques are. I would advocate my sig way more over a bottle of oust any day of the week.
Next up, how many jars have you done? Also just because you haven't thrown a jar out, doesn't mean it was completely clean either.
You didn't even read this did you OP? Also when I was at 100 jars, I thought I had a great success rate too. Looking back I realize almost every damn jar had bacteria. A mushroom smell doesn't mean shit. Look for ANY wet grains or a thick white cottage cheese look in the mycelium.
Sure I'll use oust next time. It won't improve my success rate though, which is already 99%. That's why we say it's useless. The only 1% is due to my own fuck ups. Making mistakes, dropping stuff, or having my hand hover over open media.
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Kizzle
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: CMOSS]
#21937962 - 07/13/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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CMOSS said: I had a much higher rate of contaminants with my grain to grains and agar work when I used lysol + oust. I focused so much time 'sanitizing' the air, SAB, table, carpet, room etc. When I would finally get to doing the work I would be tired of cleaning and light headed from all the fumes and bleach. Seemed like a huge chore to get anything done and kinda took the fun out of it after awhile.
What really increased my success rate was calming down, doing a quick wipedown with water + soap, and focusing on my technique. I setup, take a quick shower, and am ready to go in 15min. Beats sealing myself off in some hot sweaty closet and coming out smelling like a chemical factory.
If you had contamination problems while using Oust I suspect it's from spraying it directly into the box. Nothing stirs shit up like a stream of pressurized gas. Spraying a little around into the air before you work shouldn't hurt anything. Got to keep in mind though Oust kills bacteria in aersolized water droplets like what you're constantly exhaling, not so much on bacteria on dry dust that you might stir up so there's the opportunity for it to be counterproductive if using it as a surface disinfectant.
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Mad Season
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: spacechildo]
#21937968 - 07/13/15 04:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: exactly, it makes no sense.
my green socks didnt matter and your oust didnt matter. at all. still air is still air you cant clean the air so any attempts at using that to reduce contaminants is futile.
when air is still, everything settles. Why would you need any air sanitizers when everything SHOULD be settled on the bottom or stuck to the walls.
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CMOSS
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: Kizzle]
#21938054 - 07/13/15 04:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you had contamination problems while using Oust I suspect it's from spraying it directly into the box. Nothing stirs shit up like a stream of pressurized gas. Spraying a little around into the air before you work shouldn't hurt anything.
Yep, I was much more concerned with cleaning then I was with just letting the SAB sit there and do its thing.
Also nothing like trying to do agar transfers while pouring sweat in a full tyvek suit in a foggy SAB while your light headed from chemicals and shaking from all the coffee you drank cleaning. Done with all that stress, and it shows.
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Green Bastard
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
#21938092 - 07/13/15 04:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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lovesquare said:
it works for me, I won't stop utilizing this technique, why should I .....
At this point, I don't think that anyone is really trying to convince you to stop. Hey, it's working for you, so fill yer boots!
However. What folks seem to be asking you to do, is this:
If you wish to present this as advice. Which, as you can see by now, is not a widely accepted protocol, you need to realize that you are presenting this almost exclusively to impressionable noobs.
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lovesquare said: All I'm trying to do is let people know what has worked for me..... If this helps one person avoid contaminants, it was worth it.
Then, you need to have tried several methods, to at least make an honest comparison. Otherwise, unfortunately, you may do more harm than good.
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lovesquare
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Green Bastard said:
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lovesquare said:
it works for me, I won't stop utilizing this technique, why should I .....
At this point, I don't think that anyone is really trying to convince you to stop. Hey, it's working for you, so fill yer boots!
However. What folks seem to be asking you to do, is this:
If you wish to present this as advice. Which, as you can see by now, is not a widely accepted protocol, you need to realize that you are presenting this almost exclusively to impressionable noobs.
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lovesquare said: All I'm trying to do is let people know what has worked for me..... If this helps one person avoid contaminants, it was worth it.
Then, you need to have tried several methods, to at least make an honest comparison. Otherwise, unfortunately, you may do more harm than good.
False.
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SteveRogers
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
#21938130 - 07/13/15 04:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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lovesquare said:
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Green Bastard said:
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lovesquare said:
it works for me, I won't stop utilizing this technique, why should I .....
At this point, I don't think that anyone is really trying to convince you to stop. Hey, it's working for you, so fill yer boots!
However. What folks seem to be asking you to do, is this:
If you wish to present this as advice. Which, as you can see by now, is not a widely accepted protocol, you need to realize that you are presenting this almost exclusively to impressionable noobs.
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lovesquare said: All I'm trying to do is let people know what has worked for me..... If this helps one person avoid contaminants, it was worth it.
Then, you need to have tried several methods, to at least make an honest comparison. Otherwise, unfortunately, you may do more harm than good.
True.
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Mad Season
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: spacechildo]
#21938151 - 07/13/15 04:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: Okay now I understand.
I always start wondering how is it possible not to get what so many people are saying? truth is its not. Its been stated so perfectly clear and no one is too dumb to get it by now; The oust doesnt matter, you havent even tried without it.
Conclusion; OP is trolling. Fuck off troll.
and to anyone claiming 100% track record, grow more shrooms 
Starting to think this more and more
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: Mad Season]
#21938193 - 07/13/15 04:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mad Season said:
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spacechildo said: Okay now I understand.
I always start wondering how is it possible not to get what so many people are saying? truth is its not. Its been stated so perfectly clear and no one is too dumb to get it by now; The oust doesnt matter, you havent even tried without it.
Conclusion; OP is trolling. Fuck off troll.
and to anyone claiming 100% track record, grow more shrooms 
Starting to think this more and more
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NumeroEno
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: Dhearic]
#21938213 - 07/13/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Best SAB spray is a mix of bleach, water, dish soap, and jet dry. Once you try it you will never go back.
Fill the bottle with water most of the way, then add 2 tablespoons of bleach, 2 tablespoons of dish soap, and a tablespoon of jet dry.
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Psilosopherr
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: spacechildo]
#21938462 - 07/13/15 06:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: this is obviously written by a guy who dont know how a SAB works 
The responses he's getting should tell him so but it seems OP have shut off and just spews out repeated BS.
If you havent even tried without its just moronic to think the oust does the trick. Its as stupid as considering what color socks to wear when harvesting for best potency. No more green socks, all the shrooms were bunk! 
you hit this one on the nose.
When he said he wouldn't even consider trying it without oust I knew it was hopeless. I'm starting to think that OP is 100% pure troll. He knows to use soapy water and does IRL. He's just successfully rustling our jimmies with his feigned retardation.
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Psilosopherr
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
#21938526 - 07/13/15 06:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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lovesquare said:
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36fuckin5 said: I'm just gonna lol when you have no eyebrows from concentrating flammable shit in your box.
Again, you make no sense.
You think it won't happen...just wait. I used SAB's in the same way that you do now when I first started, alcohol and oust. Took a long time to happen, but when you get your first glove-box fire it scares you straight. Burned all the hair off of my arms, singed my eyelashes/eyebrows badly, and lightly burned my face. Not to mention the potential of burning your house down
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Kizzle
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: CMOSS]
#21938591 - 07/13/15 06:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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CMOSS said:
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If you had contamination problems while using Oust I suspect it's from spraying it directly into the box. Nothing stirs shit up like a stream of pressurized gas. Spraying a little around into the air before you work shouldn't hurt anything.
Yep, I was much more concerned with cleaning then I was with just letting the SAB sit there and do its thing.
Also nothing like trying to do agar transfers while pouring sweat in a full tyvek suit in a foggy SAB while your light headed from chemicals and shaking from all the coffee you drank cleaning. Done with all that stress, and it shows.
I started out the same way. Then over time little by little I realized a lot of it just wasn't necessary. I'm always a little hesitant to make recommendations based solely on what's worked for me because I know we're all working in different environments but some stuff is clearly overkill.
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knomadic_niki
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: Kizzle]
#21939012 - 07/13/15 08:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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wow, y'all sure know how to beat a dead horse....but here i go joining in the beating...
so, op, listen up. a "still air box" (SAB) works by creating a work area with no drafts (the air is still). when air is still, the particulates settle out. that is why your contenders here are saying sterilizing the air is unneccessary. you place your items in the box, let it sit for a minute to let the air settle, wipe the box clean on the inside, let it sit a while longer, then sterilize your tools and jars etc right before you work, and you'll be fine with good sterile technique. so, because you let the air settle, cleaned the inside of the box, and didn't introduce any more air, your SAB is as clean as its going to get. no flammable aerosols needed. make sense?
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lovesquare
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knomadic_niki said: wow, y'all sure know how to beat a dead horse....but here i go joining in the beating...
so, op, listen up. a "still air box" (SAB) works by creating a work area with no drafts (the air is still). when air is still, the particulates settle out. that is why your contenders here are saying sterilizing the air is unneccessary. you place your items in the box, let it sit for a minute to let the air settle, wipe the box clean on the inside, let it sit a while longer, then sterilize your tools and jars etc right before you work, and you'll be fine with good sterile technique. so, because you let the air settle, cleaned the inside of the box, and didn't introduce any more air, your SAB is as clean as its going to get. no flammable aerosols needed. make sense?
That's why I said let it settle for 15 mins. I'm getting a lot interest in my technique from those wishing to experience less contams and want to utilize my technique. Just follow the simple steps I have laid within and remember folks, this is for grain to grain transfers only.
-------------------- If you go down round the bend in the river, You're gonna find a few changes been going down there. If you go down to the gas-powered flatland, Where most of the people just think that they're free, Remember the peace that you had on the mountain, Come back to the love that you had here with me...
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Mad Season
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
#21941235 - 07/14/15 09:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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OK we get it you're a troll. Just stop promoting garbage and let this thread die already
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