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SteveRogers
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
#21937256 - 07/13/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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36fuckin5 said: Your success is probably completely coincidental. I've done easily thousands of G2G before. Most without using any kind of sprays. I've lost a few here and there (and had bad problems at a couple points) but the vast majority have been successful.
I'm glad it works for you but it's just an unnecessary step. If you didn't use it you would likely also have success.
Hence why you have lost some, along being successful, I have NEVER lost a single jar, figured I'd share what I utilize to help others, and yes it works for me, I wouldn't change a thing, regardless if I could still be successful without it, not worth the $5 unspent IMO.
If I were you i would stop arguing with people who have been doing this literally a decade before you even registered here. Chill out and open your ears. We are glad you have success with this method. We are simply trying to prevent others from reading this and taking bad advice.
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36fuckin5
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
#21937257 - 07/13/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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36fuckin5 said: I also just noticed you reccomended spraying it in the SAB, and using hand sanitizer to clean it. Those are dangerous tactics. If you flame anything you're likely to blow your SAB up. Never use flammable things in your SAB.
You don't flame anything for Grain to Grain.
No, but you flame syringes and scalpels and such for agar work. Why have 2 procedures, one of which is more expensive and potentially dangerous, for getting the same job done?
-------------------- Redd Foxx said: If you're offended I don't give a shit and don't come see me no more. Pat The Bunny said: A punk rock song won't ever change the world, but I can tell you about a couple that changed me. bodhisatta said: i recommend common sense and figuring it out. These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.
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Psilosopherr
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: SteveRogers]
#21937262 - 07/13/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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36fuckin5 said: Your success is probably completely coincidental. I've done easily thousands of G2G before. Most without using any kind of sprays. I've lost a few here and there (and had bad problems at a couple points) but the vast majority have been successful.
I'm glad it works for you but it's just an unnecessary step. If you didn't use it you would likely also have success.
Hence why you have lost some, along being successful, I have NEVER lost a single jar, figured I'd share what I utilize to help others, and yes it works for me, I wouldn't change a thing, regardless if I could still be successful without it, not worth the $5 unspent IMO.
If I were you i would stop arguing with people who have been doing this literally a decade before you even registered here. Chill out and open your ears. We are glad you have success with this method. We are simply trying to prevent others from reading this and taking bad advice.
steve summed up this thread very nicely.
I apologize for my own rudeness
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36fuckin5
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
#21937267 - 07/13/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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lovesquare said: Hence why you have lost some, along being successful, I have NEVER lost a single jar, figured I'd share what I utilize to help others, and yes it works for me, I wouldn't change a thing, regardless if I could still be successful without it, not worth the $5 unspent IMO.
I've tracked down my source of contams every time. Not a single time has it been because I didn't use Oust. Sloppy technique, bad starting material, missing a spot of contam in a jar, bad filter unit on my shmuv, yeah. Lack of Oust? Not once.
Contams are gonna happen once in a while if you grow for long enough. It's part of the game. You learn to track down and eliminate the source when it happens.
-------------------- Redd Foxx said: If you're offended I don't give a shit and don't come see me no more. Pat The Bunny said: A punk rock song won't ever change the world, but I can tell you about a couple that changed me. bodhisatta said: i recommend common sense and figuring it out. These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.
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lovesquare
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: insanemike]
#21937268 - 07/13/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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insanemike said: If you have a 100% success rate, it was because you have excellent sterile procedure and I commend you for that. What your 100% success rate was not from was oust+glade. Be proud that you have a very good understanding of sterile procedure and leave it at that because these folks are not going to back down.
I could care less if they back down or not, simply stating what has worked for me and sharing that with the community, thank you for your statement, my sterile procedure as a whole is what I recommend, Glade+Oust being a part of that, I'm simply going to leave it out and say that it has no effect which the others are trying to say. A can of glade+oust, some off brand hand sanitizer, a proper SAB, and a clean room will go a long ways.
-------------------- If you go down round the bend in the river, You're gonna find a few changes been going down there. If you go down to the gas-powered flatland, Where most of the people just think that they're free, Remember the peace that you had on the mountain, Come back to the love that you had here with me...
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SteveRogers
gandy dancer


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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
#21937276 - 07/13/15 01:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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lovesquare said: a proper SAB, some soap and water, proper technique, and a clean room will go a long ways.
*fixed
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Mad Season
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
#21937281 - 07/13/15 01:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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All I use is soap and water. Not any sanitizers. If you follow my sanitary tek in my sig, you'll see what techniques are. I would advocate my sig way more over a bottle of oust any day of the week.
Next up, how many jars have you done? Also just because you haven't thrown a jar out, doesn't mean it was completely clean either.
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Psilosopherr
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: SteveRogers]
#21937283 - 07/13/15 01:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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lovesquare said: a proper SAB, some soap and water, proper technique, and a clean room will go a long ways.
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but oust works for him, so any other tek is moot. not even worth trying
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insanemike

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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
#21937295 - 07/13/15 01:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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insanemike said: If you have a 100% success rate, it was because you have excellent sterile procedure and I commend you for that. What your 100% success rate was not from was oust+glade. Be proud that you have a very good understanding of sterile procedure and leave it at that because these folks are not going to back down.
I could care less if they back down or not, simply stating what has worked for me and sharing that with the community, thank you for your statement, my sterile procedure as a whole is what I recommend, Glade+Oust being a part of that, I'm simply going to leave it out and say that it has no effect which the others are trying to say. A can of glade+oust, some off brand hand sanitizer, a proper SAB, and a clean room will go a long ways.
Promoting oust is not sterile procedure and you did not state what your sterile procedure was in the op. If your sterile procedure as a whole is what you recommend than you should definitely write up a tek that has step by step instructions with a decent amount of pics to follow along with.
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TravelAgency
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: insanemike]
#21937323 - 07/13/15 01:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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No offense but I don't believe anyone who says They never lost a jar. Far too many variables in place. Even with Hamloafs immaculate clean room I'm sure he gets a contam from time to time (which I believe is why he just did a major douche of it).
Just sayin
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lovesquare
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: SteveRogers]
#21937330 - 07/13/15 01:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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If I were you i would stop arguing with people who have been doing this literally a decade before you even registered here. Chill out and open your ears. We are glad you have success with this method. We are simply trying to prevent others from reading this and taking bad advice.
Stating one's success is arguing? Again, makes no sense. Bad advice? Yet it has worked for someone for nearly 5 years? Share one's own experience, to be put down?
-------------------- If you go down round the bend in the river, You're gonna find a few changes been going down there. If you go down to the gas-powered flatland, Where most of the people just think that they're free, Remember the peace that you had on the mountain, Come back to the love that you had here with me...
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lovesquare
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rbalzer said: but oust works for him, so any other tek is moot. not even worth trying 
You can use whatever tek you want, this is what I use, I share, and what I trust.
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lovesquare
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: insanemike]
#21937339 - 07/13/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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insanemike said: If you have a 100% success rate, it was because you have excellent sterile procedure and I commend you for that. What your 100% success rate was not from was oust+glade. Be proud that you have a very good understanding of sterile procedure and leave it at that because these folks are not going to back down.
I could care less if they back down or not, simply stating what has worked for me and sharing that with the community, thank you for your statement, my sterile procedure as a whole is what I recommend, Glade+Oust being a part of that, I'm simply going to leave it out and say that it has no effect which the others are trying to say. A can of glade+oust, some off brand hand sanitizer, a proper SAB, and a clean room will go a long ways.
Promoting oust is not sterile procedure and you did not state what your sterile procedure was in the op. If your sterile procedure as a whole is what you recommend than you should definitely write up a tek that has step by step instructions with a decent amount of pics to follow along with.
Did you even read the original post? Glade+Oust, hand sanitizer, a proper SAB is all I use and I've NEVER failed. Think what you want, I'll stick to what works for me, and if sharing one's own experiences is frowned upon, LOL, this site wouldn't be what it is today.
-------------------- If you go down round the bend in the river, You're gonna find a few changes been going down there. If you go down to the gas-powered flatland, Where most of the people just think that they're free, Remember the peace that you had on the mountain, Come back to the love that you had here with me...
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SteveRogers
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
#21937344 - 07/13/15 01:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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And that is fine. Our concern here is for posterity. When new users stumble upon this through a google string or shroomery search result, they will read your method and assume it is a route to success. If you could get over yourself for a second, you would realize that the MULTITUDE of very experienced cultivators on this board do not rely on aerosol sanitizers. This is for a reason and not to bust your balls.
Chill out. Enjoy the success you are having.
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Psilosopherr
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: SteveRogers]
#21937348 - 07/13/15 01:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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SteveRogers said: And that is fine. Our concern here is for posterity. When new users stumble upon this through a google string or shroomery search result, they will read your method and assume it is a route to success. If you could get over yourself for a second, you would realize that the MULTITUDE of very experienced cultivators on this board do not rely on aerosol sanitizers. This is for a reason and not to bust your balls.
Chill out. Enjoy the success you are having.
indeed. Luck is not a good tek to share
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knomadic_niki
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: SteveRogers]
#21937368 - 07/13/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Glade+Oust
Found at Lowes, not that expensive and saves a lot of time and trouble.
Turn off heat or AC, wait 15 minutes, spray room and adjacent rooms thoroughly. Use hand sanitizer on the walls of the SAB, load up your Still-Air-Box, hand sanitizer your jars, spray inside your SAB, let settle for a few minutes, continue with sterile work, 0 contaminates after nearly 100 grain to grain transfers.
I have also done hundreds of grain to grain transfers. Guess how much "Oust" I used......none. Proper technique and clean spawn is the key. You could put me, a SAB, and one hundred grain jars in a room lined with trichoderma wall to wall. I will do 100 Grain to Grain transfers and still come out a winner. Aerosol sanitation is far far far overrated by those who don't understand that a few log reduction in airborne contaminants is irrelevant.
Glad you are having literally a perfect success rate though......not that I believe that.
that might be the scariest thing i've ever imagined! wall to wall trichoderma? :::shudders:::
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lovesquare
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: SteveRogers]
#21937377 - 07/13/15 01:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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SteveRogers said: And that is fine. Our concern here is for posterity. When new users stumble upon this through a google string or shroomery search result, they will read your method and assume it is a route to success. If you could get over yourself for a second, you would realize that the MULTITUDE of very experienced cultivators on this board do not rely on aerosol sanitizers. This is for a reason and not to bust your balls.
Chill out. Enjoy the success you are having.
I'm not at all in a uproar, and if it has proven successful for one's grain to grain transfers I'm sure it would prove successful for other growers alike, regardless if the majority doesn't support it because A)they haven't tried it or B) They've had success with other procedures, neither of which should be a deterrent. This works for me, and will work for someone else, to each their own, and this post was only meant to help those that are interested. A member with sterile procedures that have a proven track record should be shared, regardless of opinions, it HAS actual worked, so I presented it to the community to do as they wish.
-------------------- If you go down round the bend in the river, You're gonna find a few changes been going down there. If you go down to the gas-powered flatland, Where most of the people just think that they're free, Remember the peace that you had on the mountain, Come back to the love that you had here with me...
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lovesquare
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rbalzer said: indeed. Luck is not a good tek to share
Luck has nearly nothing to do with my procedure, one does not just get "lucky" after a hundred quart jars, with proper techniques that have worked for him. I'm not saying that I contribute 100% of my contaminentless to my procedure, but it sure seems to provide.
-------------------- If you go down round the bend in the river, You're gonna find a few changes been going down there. If you go down to the gas-powered flatland, Where most of the people just think that they're free, Remember the peace that you had on the mountain, Come back to the love that you had here with me...
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SteveRogers
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
#21937394 - 07/13/15 01:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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lovesquare said: A member with sterile procedures that have a proven track record should be shared, regardless of opinions, it HAS actual worked, so I presented it to the community to do as they wish.
YOU HAVE NO TRACK RECORD AT ALL. You have barely been registered for a month.
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Psilosopherr
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
#21937402 - 07/13/15 01:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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SteveRogers said: And that is fine. Our concern here is for posterity. When new users stumble upon this through a google string or shroomery search result, they will read your method and assume it is a route to success. If you could get over yourself for a second, you would realize that the MULTITUDE of very experienced cultivators on this board do not rely on aerosol sanitizers. This is for a reason and not to bust your balls.
Chill out. Enjoy the success you are having.
I'm not at all in a uproar, and if it has proven successful for one's grain to grain transfers I'm sure it would prove successful for other growers alike, regardless if the majority doesn't support it because A)they haven't tried it or B) They've had success with other procedures, neither of which should be a deterrent. This works for me, and will work for someone else, to each their own, and this post was only meant to help those that are interested. A member with sterile procedures that have a proven track record should be shared, regardless of opinions, it HAS actual worked, so I presented it to the community to do as they wish.
I swear you've typed the same paragraph three times now.
We know you're not in an uproar, but your amusingly childish reactions to our advice is comical.
Not to mention the hypocrisy of the this statement "if the majority doesn't support it because A)they haven't tried it or B) They've had success with other procedures, neither of which should be a deterrent."
OP is a hoot.
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