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lovesquare
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Contaminants worst enemy and my Grain to Grain strategy.
#21936987 - 07/13/15 11:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Glade+Oust
Found at Lowes, not that expensive and saves a lot of time and trouble.
Turn off heat or AC, wait 15 minutes, spray room and adjacent rooms thoroughly. Use hand sanitizer on the walls of the SAB, load up your Still-Air-Box, hand sanitizer your jars, spray inside your SAB, let settle for a few minutes, continue with sterile work, 0 contaminates after nearly 100 grain to grain transfers.
Update!
Just wanted to add how I do my grain to grain transfers in unison with the above info. I preloosen the rings, prior to spraying inside the SAB, let it settle. Take your previously shaken (well) master grain jar and remove the ring, also removing the rings of the to be transfered to jars. Quickly pop the lid of your master grain jar and the one to be transfered too, and pour about 1/12th of the master grains into the jar. No need to be exact, quickly replace both lids, and ring up the tranfered jar.
Repeat for a dozen jars,(or more depending on your desired colonization times, taking into factor the amount used to transfer to each jar.) Once finished, remove everything from your sab and store in your colonization location. Avoid excess surfaces to furthur prevent possible contamination, or utilize surface disinfectants properly and use the tools that work best for you.
Edited by lovesquare (07/14/15 10:19 AM)
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insanemike

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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
#21937013 - 07/13/15 11:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Clean transfers have more to do with sterile technique than they do with how sanitized the air is.
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: insanemike]
#21937032 - 07/13/15 12:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Credit where credit is due.
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Psilosopherr
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: Dhearic]
#21937055 - 07/13/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Check out "how I do g2g in a SAB" linked in my sig.
He suggests using soapy water to clean the SAB instead of alcohol or bleach. The water stays on the walls/bottom during clean procedures, and supposedly contams will 'stick' to the water.
My contam rates have gone way down since I switched to soapy water. I don't even use sprays anymore. Waste of time/money IMO
Edited by Psilosopherr (07/13/15 12:14 PM)
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lovesquare
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: insanemike]
#21937068 - 07/13/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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insanemike said: Clean transfers have more to do with sterile technique than they do with how sanitized the air is.
If grains were properly soaked, pressure cooked at 15 psi for 120 minutes, let cool, transfered to a hand sanitizered SAB, there jars hand sanitized theirself, with the air inside and outside the SAB sanitized, their would be much less contamination all around. It was my first time EVER handling grains when i utilized this method, not one single contam over the years I was growing actives.
-------------------- If you go down round the bend in the river, You're gonna find a few changes been going down there. If you go down to the gas-powered flatland, Where most of the people just think that they're free, Remember the peace that you had on the mountain, Come back to the love that you had here with me...
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insanemike

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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
#21937094 - 07/13/15 12:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm not trying to tell you what you can and cannot do. By all means, do what you think is best. I was just stating a fact. Personally, I prefer a flowhood over a SAB any day of the week but I live in a drafty old trailer though.
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Psilosopherr
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
#21937101 - 07/13/15 12:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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lovesquare said:
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insanemike said: Clean transfers have more to do with sterile technique than they do with how sanitized the air is.
If grains were properly soaked, pressure cooked at 15 psi for 120 minutes, let cool, transfered to a hand sanitizered SAB, there jars hand sanitized theirself, with the air inside and outside the SAB sanitized, their would be much less contamination all around. It was my first time EVER handling grains when i utilized this method, not one single contam over the years I was growing actives.
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36fuckin5
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That stuff's useless. Just use proper technique in your SAB and use soapy water to clean it and there's no need for it.
-------------------- Redd Foxx said: If you're offended I don't give a shit and don't come see me no more. Pat The Bunny said: A punk rock song won't ever change the world, but I can tell you about a couple that changed me. bodhisatta said: i recommend common sense and figuring it out. These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.
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SteveRogers
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
#21937145 - 07/13/15 12:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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lovesquare said:

Glade+Oust
Found at Lowes, not that expensive and saves a lot of time and trouble.
Turn off heat or AC, wait 15 minutes, spray room and adjacent rooms thoroughly. Use hand sanitizer on the walls of the SAB, load up your Still-Air-Box, hand sanitizer your jars, spray inside your SAB, let settle for a few minutes, continue with sterile work, 0 contaminates after nearly 100 grain to grain transfers.
I have also done hundreds of grain to grain transfers. Guess how much "Oust" I used......none. Proper technique and clean spawn is the key. You could put me, a SAB, and one hundred grain jars in a room lined with trichoderma wall to wall. I will do 100 Grain to Grain transfers and still come out a winner. Aerosol sanitation is far far far overrated by those who don't understand that a few log reduction in airborne contaminants is irrelevant.
Glad you are having literally a perfect success rate though......not that I believe that.
-------------------- "General, I am loyal to nothing......except The Dream"
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lovesquare
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: 36fuckin5]
#21937205 - 07/13/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I use what works for me, and a perfect success rate doesn't lie, saying it's useless for someone it works for, makes no sense, bashing someone's sterile technique that has proven 100% success rate, makes no sense. All I'm trying to do is let people know what has worked for me, yet you strong headed folks rather criticize. If this helps one person avoid contaminants, it was worth it.
-------------------- If you go down round the bend in the river, You're gonna find a few changes been going down there. If you go down to the gas-powered flatland, Where most of the people just think that they're free, Remember the peace that you had on the mountain, Come back to the love that you had here with me...
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Psilosopherr
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
#21937213 - 07/13/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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lovesquare said: I use what works for me, and a perfect success rate doesn't lie, saying it's useless for someone it works for, makes no sense, bashing someone's sterile technique that has proven 100% success rate, makes no sense. All I'm trying to do is let people know what has worked for me, yet you strong headed folks rather criticize. If this helps one person avoid contaminants, it was worth it.

This guy really doesn't want our help.
nobody was even bashing you. You're being overly sensitive
Edited by Psilosopherr (07/13/15 12:56 PM)
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36fuckin5
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
#21937219 - 07/13/15 12:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Your success is probably completely coincidental. I've done easily thousands of G2G before. Most without using any kind of sprays. I've lost a few here and there (and had bad problems at a couple points) but the vast majority have been successful.
I'm glad it works for you but it's just an unnecessary step. If you didn't use it you would likely also have success.
-------------------- Redd Foxx said: If you're offended I don't give a shit and don't come see me no more. Pat The Bunny said: A punk rock song won't ever change the world, but I can tell you about a couple that changed me. bodhisatta said: i recommend common sense and figuring it out. These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.
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lovesquare
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rbalzer said:
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lovesquare said: I use what works for me, and a perfect success rate doesn't lie, saying it's useless for someone it works for, makes no sense, bashing someone's sterile technique that has proven 100% success rate, makes no sense. All I'm trying to do is let people know what has worked for me, yet you strong headed folks rather criticize. If this helps one person avoid contaminants, it was worth it.

This guy really doesn't want our help.
I never asked for your help. Rather I'm the one helping, stating how I have avoided ALL contaminants throughout my grows.
-------------------- If you go down round the bend in the river, You're gonna find a few changes been going down there. If you go down to the gas-powered flatland, Where most of the people just think that they're free, Remember the peace that you had on the mountain, Come back to the love that you had here with me...
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Psilosopherr
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
#21937233 - 07/13/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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lovesquare said:
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rbalzer said:
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lovesquare said: I use what works for me, and a perfect success rate doesn't lie, saying it's useless for someone it works for, makes no sense, bashing someone's sterile technique that has proven 100% success rate, makes no sense. All I'm trying to do is let people know what has worked for me, yet you strong headed folks rather criticize. If this helps one person avoid contaminants, it was worth it.

This guy really doesn't want our help.
I never asked for your help. Rather I'm the one helping, stating how I have avoided ALL contaminants throughout my grows.
which is almost certainly pure luck.
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36fuckin5
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
#21937235 - 07/13/15 01:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I also just noticed you reccomended spraying it in the SAB, and using hand sanitizer to clean it. Those are dangerous tactics. If you flame anything you're likely to blow your SAB up. Never use flammable things in your SAB.
-------------------- Redd Foxx said: If you're offended I don't give a shit and don't come see me no more. Pat The Bunny said: A punk rock song won't ever change the world, but I can tell you about a couple that changed me. bodhisatta said: i recommend common sense and figuring it out. These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.
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lovesquare
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: 36fuckin5]
#21937236 - 07/13/15 01:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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36fuckin5 said: Your success is probably completely coincidental. I've done easily thousands of G2G before. Most without using any kind of sprays. I've lost a few here and there (and had bad problems at a couple points) but the vast majority have been successful.
I'm glad it works for you but it's just an unnecessary step. If you didn't use it you would likely also have success.
Hence why you have lost some, along being successful, I have NEVER lost a single jar, figured I'd share what I utilize to help others, and yes it works for me, I wouldn't change a thing, regardless if I could still be successful without it, not worth the $5 unspent IMO.
-------------------- If you go down round the bend in the river, You're gonna find a few changes been going down there. If you go down to the gas-powered flatland, Where most of the people just think that they're free, Remember the peace that you had on the mountain, Come back to the love that you had here with me...
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lovesquare
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: 36fuckin5]
#21937242 - 07/13/15 01:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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36fuckin5 said: I also just noticed you reccomended spraying it in the SAB, and using hand sanitizer to clean it. Those are dangerous tactics. If you flame anything you're likely to blow your SAB up. Never use flammable things in your SAB.
You don't flame anything for Grain to Grain.
-------------------- If you go down round the bend in the river, You're gonna find a few changes been going down there. If you go down to the gas-powered flatland, Where most of the people just think that they're free, Remember the peace that you had on the mountain, Come back to the love that you had here with me...
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insanemike

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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
#21937249 - 07/13/15 01:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you have a 100% success rate, it was because you have excellent sterile procedure and I commend you for that. What your 100% success rate was not from was oust+glade. Be proud that you have a very good understanding of sterile procedure and leave it at that because these folks are not going to back down.
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lovesquare
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rbalzer said:
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lovesquare said:
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rbalzer said:
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lovesquare said: I use what works for me, and a perfect success rate doesn't lie, saying it's useless for someone it works for, makes no sense, bashing someone's sterile technique that has proven 100% success rate, makes no sense. All I'm trying to do is let people know what has worked for me, yet you strong headed folks rather criticize. If this helps one person avoid contaminants, it was worth it.

This guy really doesn't want our help.
I never asked for your help. Rather I'm the one helping, stating how I have avoided ALL contaminants throughout my grows.
which is almost certainly pure luck.
I doubt it's luck, a freshly clean room and these tactics have a proven track record for myself, in an uncarpeted room of course.
-------------------- If you go down round the bend in the river, You're gonna find a few changes been going down there. If you go down to the gas-powered flatland, Where most of the people just think that they're free, Remember the peace that you had on the mountain, Come back to the love that you had here with me...
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Psilosopherr
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Re: Contaminants worst enemy. [Re: lovesquare]
#21937255 - 07/13/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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you're not making any worthwhile points OP.
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