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Re: Guns control, where do you stand? [Re: daytripper05]
    #21937019 - 07/13/15 11:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Of course UPS and fedex don't have that problem. They aren't constrained by the post office's mandate to deliver letters to any address in the US.

Good luck getting UPS to deliver your cable bill for $.50


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Re: Guns control, where do you stand? [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
    #21937023 - 07/13/15 12:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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They don't even mention the second amendment in those quotes bro. Quit partying and go to class.

EDIT: They loosely reference it under limited context though, so I'll give you your D.




They don't mention the rights of gays to marry either, yet there it is.

Alas, I can't even give your incomplete reasoning a grade at all.


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Re: Guns control, where do you stand? [Re: koods] * 1
    #21937034 - 07/13/15 12:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Fucking Scalia.




Well, that decision says that it is perfectly fine to ban weapons that are not in common use or are dangerous or unusual. Later he writes that a ban on guns like the M-16 would not necessarily be unconstituional.





M-16's are not readily available to civilians without extensive paperwork and background checks.

The civilian version... AR-15, is however and using the 'in common use' standard... would not be subject to a ban. In 2013 there were an estimated 5 million in private hands. Seems pretty 'common".

http://s.telegraph.co.uk/graphics/ar-15/


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Re: Guns control, where do you stand? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21937044 - 07/13/15 12:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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The Constitution is not a body of opinion. :picard:




How incredibly fortunate for American citizens. Of course, honesty should compel you (but likely won't) to notice I didn't say it was a 'body of opinion'.


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Re: Guns control, where do you stand? [Re: koods]
    #21937049 - 07/13/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Of course UPS and fedex don't have that problem. They aren't constrained by the post office's mandate to deliver letters to any address in the US.

Good luck getting UPS to deliver your cable bill for $.50




They likely could if there wasn't a monopoly on delivering that type of mail.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: Guns control, where do you stand? [Re: daytripper05]
    #21937050 - 07/13/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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...

Total hypocrisy. Here's an idea... How about we legalize drugs, give gay people equal rights, and let people own guns. More freedom for everyone, because you know... People that break the law and harm people with guns don't give a shit about the law in the first place. People will just get a gun in the same way they do now.

My state already does background checks. If you don't have a damn near perfect record you have to wait like 3-6 weeks for a more details checked. Luckily for me, I can walk into any store and but a gun off the shelf and walk out the door in 30 minutes.




Possession of a rifle is legal in every state for sane law-abiding people (some do have hassles attached to the right though). Handguns are legal for open carry and concealed carry with a permit in almost all the states too, but in a few they're basically a privilege in a practical sense. Gun rights are pretty well defended for the most part. You definitely do not want psychotic people to be running around with concealed weapons though. Don't go crazy.

My state does background checks too, but if you have a concealed carry permit, you've already had a background check, so it's no big deal. When I went to get my permit it was in my wallet within 10 minutes of arriving at the sheriffs' office. If we want to diminish violence, we should work on real socioeconomic problems that actually increase violent crime. Reducing poverty would be a good start.


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Re: Guns control, where do you stand? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21937060 - 07/13/15 12:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
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BlindSophist said:
The Constitution is not a body of opinion. :picard:




How incredibly fortunate for American citizens. Of course, honesty should compel you (but likely won't) to notice I didn't say it was a 'body of opinion'.




Observation might compel her to notice that you didn't say much of anything at all.


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Re: Guns control, where do you stand? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21937066 - 07/13/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

BlindSophist said:
The Constitution is not a body of opinion. :picard:




How incredibly fortunate for American citizens. Of course, honesty should compel you (but likely won't) to notice I didn't say it was a 'body of opinion'.




No, but you did suggest that the opinions of the founders regarding the proper execution of the constitution should matter more than the opinion of even a knowledgeable and rational present-day observer who disagrees with those opinions.

The founding fathers are not "better" than anyone living today and the constitution should be interpreted through the lens of present-day reality, not the far-flung fancy of an eighteenth-century dandy.


Edited by Sophistic Radiance (07/13/15 12:25 PM)


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Re: Guns control, where do you stand? [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
    #21937067 - 07/13/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

At least I provided quotes and links.

You should think before clicking on 'continue'. Why start now though?


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Re: Guns control, where do you stand? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21937073 - 07/13/15 12:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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No, but you did suggest that the opinions of the founders regarding the proper execution of the constitution should matter more than the opinion of even a knowledgeable and rational present-day observer who disagrees with those opinions.




Yes, who would know better about what they meant? Those who wrote it... or those who along come centuries later? The opinions of the writers carry a good deal more weight.


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The founding fathers were not "better" than anyone living today and the constitution should be interpreted through the lens of present-day realities and needs.




Not even remotely. It should be interpreted as written.


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Re: Guns control, where do you stand? [Re: koods]
    #21937077 - 07/13/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Of course UPS and fedex don't have that problem. They aren't constrained by the post office's mandate to deliver letters to any address in the US.

Good luck getting UPS to deliver your cable bill for $.50




I pay my cable internet (don't have cable) bill online bro. Times need to change. Either the government programs gets into the year 2015 or they go bankrupt like any other private enterprise.

Did you know... The post office wouldn't even be open today if it weren't for junk mail. That's right... Private companies paying post office to send their junk mail is keeping the entire thing afloat. Roughly 80% of all mail sent through USPS is junk mail.


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Re: Guns control, where do you stand? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21937083 - 07/13/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

How you reconcile this

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luvdemshrooms said:
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BlindSophist said:
No, but you did suggest that the opinions of the founders regarding the proper execution of the constitution should matter more than the opinion of even a knowledgeable and rational present-day observer who disagrees with those opinions.




Yes, who would know better about what they meant? Those who wrote it... or those who along come centuries later? The opinions of the writers carry a good deal more weight.




with this

Quote:

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The founding fathers were not "better" than anyone living today and the constitution should be interpreted through the lens of present-day realities and needs.




Not even remotely. It should be interpreted as written.




is absolutely beyond my comprehension.


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Re: Guns control, where do you stand? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21937085 - 07/13/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

A great many obvious things are.


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Re: Guns control, where do you stand? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21937088 - 07/13/15 12:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
Quote:

BlindSophist said:

...

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The founding fathers were not "better" than anyone living today and the constitution should be interpreted through the lens of present-day realities and needs.







Not even remotely. It should be interpreted as written.




It should be read in the context that it was written in, and it should be reflected on with modern concerns and conditions in mind.



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At least I provided quotes and links.

You should think before clicking on 'continue'. Why start now though?




At this point I suggest we settle our dispute with a founding-fathers-style pistol duel. It's what they would have done, so it must be right. You seem to like quoting Alexander Hamilton, so you can be him.


Edited by Mr.GuessWork (07/13/15 12:20 PM)


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Re: Guns control, where do you stand? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21937090 - 07/13/15 12:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Oh wow, another great debate with LDS closed by getting called stupid. You truly are a master. :whatever:


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Re: Guns control, where do you stand? [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
    #21937103 - 07/13/15 12:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'd be unlikely to allow myself to be shot.

In the meantime, I'll simply suggest you read a good deal more.


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Re: Guns control, where do you stand? [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #21937104 - 07/13/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Don't worry. He doesn't know it yet, but he's going to lose the pistol duel.


EDIT: :lol: That's pretty much what Hamilton said before he lost his last (and maybe first) pistol duel in real history. That was beautiful, LVS. I'd almost believe it was intentional.


Edited by Mr.GuessWork (07/13/15 12:24 PM)


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Re: Guns control, where do you stand? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21937109 - 07/13/15 12:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Oh wow, another great debate with LDS closed by getting called stupid. You truly are a master.




The debate was won long before that. Also, I didn't call you anything. I simply agreed you have an inability to comprehend simple concepts.


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Re: Guns control, where do you stand? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21937117 - 07/13/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

How disingenuous of you to exclude the wanking graem.


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Re: Guns control, where do you stand? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21937122 - 07/13/15 12:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

He's still figuring out how to quote things in context. Go easy on him. He's got a duel coming up that he's not prepared for.


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