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Psilosopherr
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Re: Has anybody tried micro dosing before bed to enhance dreaming? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#21941933 - 07/14/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think I'm going to have to try this stuff. Sounds like a marvelous social enhancer. Would be nice to try before a D&D session or a party
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Trichome_Delta9


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Re: Has anybody tried micro dosing before bed to enhance dreaming? [Re: wolf8312]
#21942587 - 07/14/15 03:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Trichome_Delta9 said: im sure someone could fall asleep if they really wanted to micro dosing ive done it a couple times and stayed up just so i can see what affects such small doses had to offer.
im sure it could affect dreams most psyches do IME.
cigarettes and nicotine will make it harder to dream and recollect them. just some advise.
Last trip I had for a good long while now, I got home after a long day and got drunk. On a drunkern impulse I decided to dose some shrooms and waiting to come up I actually fell asleep and awoke tripping out of my mind.
I know I was also having some fucked up crazy dreams before waking up, within which I was dreaming and tripping balls at the same time. Obviously what with the drink and being unconcious at the time its not all that easy to remember but it was rather out of control as I recall, very sinister and alien. Perhaps it was just violently trying to wake me up! Havent tripped since.
Tryptamines man, even if you fall asleep coming up can be rough!
one time fell asleep on an 8th to avoid a bad trip because the dude i was with said he wanted to punch me in the face for dropping out of school, had some weird dream but hard to remember them now. woke up tripping and thought rob dyrdek was god for a sec. i dont even really like the dude but i was TRIPPIN.
turned out to be not that bad of a trip very mixed with "good" and "bad"
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Re: Has anybody tried micro dosing before bed to enhance dreaming? [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
#21942814 - 07/14/15 04:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why the fuck can't people understand you can't say shit like that to people while they're tripping. I was frying on an eighth of mushrooms and I went to go lay down in my buddy's rooms because I was tripping way to hard and only knew like half the people there, anyways as I'm laying down I hear my friend super drunk just yelling that I should stop taking Xanax pissed me the fuck off because then everyone thought I was just some junkie getting all fucked up on bars.
Drunk people are literally the worst people to be around while on psychedelics.
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Jobbypot Smith
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Re: Has anybody tried micro dosing before bed to enhance dreaming? [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
#21942819 - 07/14/15 04:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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rbalzer, you should set your alarm for 2 or 3 hours before you would normally wake up, and dose then.
You'll be so tired from just waking up , you should fall back to sleep straight away. If its a small enough dose hopefully you'll stay asleep.
When the peak hits you should be in heavy REM
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Re: Has anybody tried micro dosing before bed to enhance dreaming? [Re: Jobbypot Smith]
#21943225 - 07/14/15 06:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Jobbypot Smith said: rbalzer, you should set your alarm for 2 or 3 hours before you would normally wake up, and dose then.
You'll be so tired from just waking up , you should fall back to sleep straight away. If its a small enough dose hopefully you'll stay asleep.
When the peak hits you should be in heavy REM
thats not a bad idea. I usually wake up around 6 AM every night anyway.
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sudly
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Re: Has anybody tried micro dosing before bed to enhance dreaming? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#21944115 - 07/14/15 09:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've tried this before but I struggle to sleep for several hours after microdosing, it usually energises my mind and I can't stop thinking enough to sleep.
After a heavy dose at midday I do sleep well but I haven't seen a noticeable difference of my dreams after ingesting psilocybin.
I do however use circaden branded melatonin 30 mins before I go to sleep and it almost always induces vivid, surreal lucid dreams were I am aware of whats going on and can control my surroundings and behaviour to a large extent.
instead of dosing shrooms i'd recommend melatonin, from experience melatonin works 90% of the time at enhancing dreams, shrooms maybe 15%.
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Re: Has anybody tried micro dosing before bed to enhance dreaming? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
#21944428 - 07/14/15 10:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Rebelutionsssss said: Why the fuck can't people understand you can't say shit like that to people while they're tripping. I was frying on an eighth of mushrooms and I went to go lay down in my buddy's rooms because I was tripping way to hard and only knew like half the people there, anyways as I'm laying down I hear my friend super drunk just yelling that I should stop taking Xanax pissed me the fuck off because then everyone thought I was just some junkie getting all fucked up on bars.
Drunk people are literally the worst people to be around while on psychedelics.
one time when me and a friend were tripping i told him i would kick his ass in a video game jokingly, and he got really upset. but the thing is before we were ever friends i actually did fight him and beat him up when we were both in 3rd grade.
anyways he got in my face and i wasnt sure how to diffuse the situation because we were both peaking. so it dies down and im feeling very wierd in his house, and i ask him wheres your dog. but his dog had just died weeks earlier, he said he told me, but i know he didnt, because we were just talking about his grandfathers death the week prior. And then im like i should just leave, cause i could se he wanted to cry, and he really hated me in that moment.
so a 3rd sober friend, walks in and says to chill out to me. and im like really fucked up because i cant seem to say anything right and i remember he let me sit in his very nice leather chair, probably worth 1000 dollars. i say thank you for letting me sit in your chair, and he perks up and say it is nice isnt it. And im like yea you should be thankful, in my head it didnt sound rude, but it really was. and he was like why i paid for it, and at this point i realize i upset him again, and i walk out of his house and leave, and then they call me up even more upset because they dont want me to get arrested for walking around on acid at 1 in the morning. so they have to pick me up and take me back and then the whole trip was silent as fuck after that.
unsurprisingly, we havent talked in a few years.
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Re: Has anybody tried micro dosing before bed to enhance dreaming? [Re: LackToast]
#21946899 - 07/15/15 11:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Smoked more calea last night and remembered my dreams quite well.
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Rebelutionsssss said: Why the fuck can't people understand you can't say shit like that to people while they're tripping. I was frying on an eighth of mushrooms and I went to go lay down in my buddy's rooms because I was tripping way to hard and only knew like half the people there, anyways as I'm laying down I hear my friend super drunk just yelling that I should stop taking Xanax pissed me the fuck off because then everyone thought I was just some junkie getting all fucked up on bars.
Drunk people are literally the worst people to be around while on psychedelics.
one time when me and a friend were tripping i told him i would kick his ass in a video game jokingly, and he got really upset. but the thing is before we were ever friends i actually did fight him and beat him up when we were both in 3rd grade.
anyways he got in my face and i wasnt sure how to diffuse the situation because we were both peaking. so it dies down and im feeling very wierd in his house, and i ask him wheres your dog. but his dog had just died weeks earlier, he said he told me, but i know he didnt, because we were just talking about his grandfathers death the week prior. And then im like i should just leave, cause i could se he wanted to cry, and he really hated me in that moment.
so a 3rd sober friend, walks in and says to chill out to me. and im like really fucked up because i cant seem to say anything right and i remember he let me sit in his very nice leather chair, probably worth 1000 dollars. i say thank you for letting me sit in your chair, and he perks up and say it is nice isnt it. And im like yea you should be thankful, in my head it didnt sound rude, but it really was. and he was like why i paid for it, and at this point i realize i upset him again, and i walk out of his house and leave, and then they call me up even more upset because they dont want me to get arrested for walking around on acid at 1 in the morning. so they have to pick me up and take me back and then the whole trip was silent as fuck after that.
unsurprisingly, we havent talked in a few years.
I've had a similar experience. Kept saying things with good intentions that really upset my friend. Its a hard thing to stop doing in the moment.
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Re: Has anybody tried micro dosing before bed to enhance dreaming? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#21947008 - 07/15/15 12:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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yea it really its hard to control your stupidity when tripping. As for the question at hand ifeel like tripping in your dreams would be a waste of acid, but thats because i dont come around it that often. And if taking enough to where you actually could be tripping, i would be to anxious to fall asleep anyways.
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Re: Has anybody tried micro dosing before bed to enhance dreaming? [Re: LackToast]
#21947124 - 07/15/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah psilocybin seems like it might not be the best tool for the job. definitely wouldn't waste rare LSD on dreaming experiments.
I'm interested in extracting muscimol from amanita muscaria and using that for dreaming. Or maybe I'll just make a tea.
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Coincidentiaoppositorum
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Re: Has anybody tried micro dosing before bed to enhance dreaming? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#21955084 - 07/17/15 08:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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rbalzer said: Yeah psilocybin seems like it might not be the best tool for the job. definitely wouldn't waste rare LSD on dreaming experiments.
I'm interested in extracting muscimol from amanita muscaria and using that for dreaming. Or maybe I'll just make a tea.
Muscimol (and ibotonic acid and other alkaloids found in amanita muscuria) is the only psychoactive associated with psychedelics that I have not tried.
It was described to me as a deleriant, when I hear that word I always think of my experiences with atropine/scopolomine via datura species, which were horrible, I actually did derive some meaningful gnosis from from a high dose datura tea experiance, but it was something I would NEVER want to repeat, these compounds are poisons that cause hallucination, not psychedelics...
Any way it's scared me away from testing amanita muscuria. Is there anything worth experiencing involved with the compounds in this species? Or is it a deleriant?
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Coincidentiaoppositorum said: ... These compounds are poisons that cause hallucination, not psychedelics.
Any way it's scared me away from testing amanita muscuria. Is there anything worth experiencing involved with the compounds in this species? Or is it a deleriant?
Low to medium doses of fly agaric (1-7g) can be very visionary, emotional, peaceful and euphoric. Higher doses tend to be rough and chaotic, frantic, hard to remember. Kind of delirant, yes, but it will not produce any real hallucinations. It's more of a trippy drunkenness.
Dosing too high, Datura will make you black out for days and you will see and talk to people that are not there, and you might also black out totally but be able to walk around and talk to others as if you are sober. When you wake up after days you have no recollection of the "trip"..
Fly agaric doesn't wort this way! If you take too much, you will sleep deeply, nothing more. Never ever did a person die from eating fly agaric, that's a myth! The worst thing that can happen to you is that you vomit heavyly, and than black out and take a deep sleep for 10 hours or so weaking up pretty refreshed.
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Re: Has anybody tried micro dosing before bed to enhance dreaming? [Re: Pandemoon]
#21956690 - 07/17/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've noticed Celastrus Paniculatus seeds help me dream pretty well, also seems to help in the recalling of the dreams a bit. I've been taking 15 seeds nightly for about a week now, i'm definitely noticing benefits from it and not just in the dream department.
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Re: Has anybody tried micro dosing before bed to enhance dreaming? [Re: Sabnock]
#21956746 - 07/17/15 03:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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The matrix movie is a pretty good picturation of lucid dreaming vs this reality
There are gatekeepers in lucid dreaming reality that you must face to gain access to source/reprogram your reality/control your reality
It's your shadow
You can also jump out of buildings and fly, teleport in lucid dreams
And even weirder, false awakenings
Waking up where you went to bed, thinking you are awake, going to work/school Only to find out something is 'slightly off' that day, and suddenly something chases you and you can fly/jump out of the building, or crawl up the air at school
Nothing is better than lucid dreaming, it's so intense, flying is the best feeling ever
You won't get there easier by tripping I think, tripping reduced my amount usually It requires a very clear mind to get there and control your reality
No coffee, no weed, no psychedelics, do exercise before bed (so you sleep more relaxed)
I used to cycle 20km before bed then I often got LDs, relaxed mind and body a lot
The key is dream journal for me, always do dream journal each morning when you wake up(within 1-2 secs of waking up, else the dream is already forgotten..) When you start to remember 2-3 dreams each night, you are almost assured the lucid dreams start
You will get success within a few weeks with the WB2B / WILD methods this way, at least they work for me
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Lucid dremaing is like awakening in this reality, you think it was real, but then it was just a dream You could be living your whole life in a dream, that's how real it feels
Unlike tripping you cannot hurt yourself inside it, because your body is paralyzed, but that doesn't mean you should not respect it You can lose parts of yourself if you do it wrongly
Respecting it is not taking other drugs IMO , I have tried dream herb, salvia, ilex guayusa , none helped reliably Salvia gave me 3 dreams a night, too intense, and not very controlable, uncontrolable very lucid dreams
The real control is always from a pure and relaxed mind
What psychedelics do is make it harder to have analytical thought, and that can make it harder to find out your reality is "fake" You need that clearmindedness to attain lucidity...
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Re: Has anybody tried micro dosing before bed to enhance dreaming? [Re: lessismore]
#21956774 - 07/17/15 03:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mirrors are especially interesting in lucid dreams, have you ever tried looking into a mirror in one?;-)
Looks pretty surreal... , just like light switches that never work too
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lessismore
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Re: Has anybody tried micro dosing before bed to enhance dreaming? [Re: lessismore]
#21956814 - 07/17/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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DejavĂș , did you just see that cat pass twice? - then you must be dreaming ;P
Reality checking can make people insane... happened to a few people they say on ld4all/dreamviews forum
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Re: Has anybody tried micro dosing before bed to enhance dreaming? [Re: Pandemoon]
#21959387 - 07/18/15 06:00 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Pandemoon said:
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Coincidentiaoppositorum said: ... These compounds are poisons that cause hallucination, not psychedelics.
Any way it's scared me away from testing amanita muscuria. Is there anything worth experiencing involved with the compounds in this species? Or is it a deleriant?
Low to medium doses of fly agaric (1-7g) can be very visionary, emotional, peaceful and euphoric. Higher doses tend to be rough and chaotic, frantic, hard to remember. Kind of delirant, yes, but it will not produce any real hallucinations. It's more of a trippy drunkenness.
Dosing too high, Datura will make you black out for days and you will see and talk to people that are not there, and you might also black out totally but be able to walk around and talk to others as if you are sober. When you wake up after days you have no recollection of the "trip"..
Fly agaric doesn't wort this way! If you take too much, you will sleep deeply, nothing more. Never ever did a person die from eating fly agaric, that's a myth! The worst thing that can happen to you is that you vomit heavyly, and than black out and take a deep sleep for 10 hours or so weaking up pretty refreshed.
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Good to know.
Thanks,
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Coincidentiaoppositorum
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Re: Has anybody tried micro dosing before bed to enhance dreaming? [Re: lessismore]
#21959397 - 07/18/15 06:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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lessismore said: Mirrors are especially interesting in lucid dreams, have you ever tried looking into a mirror in one?;-)
Looks pretty surreal... , just like light switches that never work too
I always look different in my dreams, my hair will be short or my beard will be gone, or I'll be covered in tattoos that I don't have and so on...
I've been eating "XTC" pills in my dreams recently, I don't roll though, they induce a mescaline like experience...
I also had a dream of being in a car that someone was driving in reverse down a long winding road, I wake up and turn on CNN and they are reporting a story about a car in Hollywood driving trunk first for miles...all caught on tape...
What a ridiculous piece of media flosom to become synchronicity in my life....
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Re: Has anybody tried micro dosing before bed to enhance dreaming? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#21959488 - 07/18/15 07:21 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nutmeg does it for me. Even a normal dose used in cooking is enough to give me intense and strange dreams.
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sudly
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Re: Has anybody tried micro dosing before bed to enhance dreaming? [Re: Electric Toaster]
#21959752 - 07/18/15 09:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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DXM induces what could be called a dissacociative day dream, like dreaming with your eyes open. Fun =)
If anyone's ever tried a antihistamine trip, it's very similar.
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