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Re: Has anybody tried micro dosing before bed to enhance dreaming? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#21937457 - 07/13/15 02:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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The best substance I've come across for LD'ing is Galantamine. Here's a post from my journal detailing one experiment with it:
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I've been doing more experimentation with this substance, usually on Sat and Sun mornings when I don't have to be up too early. My findings so far are that timing is key – from ones bedtime to what time one wakes up and doses, to how long one stays awake.
The most successful formula I've hit upon is bedtime around 2:30 am. Take 600 mg of alpha gpc (choline) and 200 mg of 5-htp for REM rebound.
Wake after 4 hours sleep and take 16 mg Galantamine and another 600 mg of alpha GPC and a tablet of high strength vitamin B. The one I’m using has 714 times the RDA of B6, so pretty high. The B vitamin might be unneeded, but there’s a lot of research showing that B6 increases both dream recall and vividity.
It should be noted that I regularly go to sleep around 2:30-3am, so other people might have to find the right places within their own circadian rhythm – this is what works for me.
I also take Piracetam after the Lucid Dreams to counter the effects of the Galantamine – I've read this stops tolerance building.
At first the 16 mg Galantamine was too much, but taking it at the correct time within the sleep cycle (and perhaps a certain familiarity with its effects at this dose) ensures it doesn't affect getting back to sleep.
I have been using a mind machine over the past week (a Laxman), and using it while meditating, this might explain the lucidity and control felt in this morning’s experiments.
On taking the Galantamine this morning, I did a breath based meditation, which led me into sleep. Also, when going to sleep last night, I set the intent to have an OBE or a Lucid Dream while also doing a breath based meditation.
The Lucid Dreams themselves were just phenomenal. They started off a bit hazy and perhaps driven by base desire (a link with the initial low lucidity?) but after utilising a tactile based reinforcement technique (stamping my feet and clapping my hands hard) they quickly turned into experiences in which I had full emotional and tactile sensation. At one point I tasted a bit of card, and I could feel its glossy texture on my tongue. It was pretty amazing.
The characters I interacted with in the LDs seemed fully aware and capable of deep conversation.
I experienced no sleep paralysis just LD after LD, after false awakening, after LD. I actually didn't know how to wake up! I've never experienced anything like this before, usually LDs don’t last long and one tries to extend them, but I felt like I’d been in the LDs for hours and I couldn't wake up. I physically felt apprehension for a short while and went and spoke to one of the LD characters near me at the time about this.
Not long after this I woke up very groggy, and asked my wife if I was awake, I then stumbled to the window and opened it, and climbed onto the sill. She was shouting that I was awake and to get away from the window. Waves were crashing below, which should have told me that I was still in a LD. She pulled me from the window and back into bed. Not long after I managed to force myself awake. I think the hazy nature was because I was near waking, so neither reality or the LD environment had complete grasp of my senses.
During the LDs I seemed to have complete control. At one point I wanted to visit my daughter, and I found myself in a locale which was touched with her presence. It looked more child-like. I found her and picked her up and walked with her for a while.
After some time we found ourselves in a narrow passage, flanked on each side by tall, old stone brick walls. Trees were overhead, and I sensed we were in a countryside locale. At one end of the passage was an unkempt looking youth, at the other a fox like beast.
The youth was telling me the beast was dangerous and I should stay away. I next seemed to be infused with knowledge of the situation, I flew up to get a view of the area I was in, and was experiencing an influx of knowledge. The people the youth belong to had taken some of the fox like beasts ancestors into captivity and bred them with other creatures. They had created a troll like form of the fox creature and now there was animosity on both sides.
Other experiences included flying military style helicopters while shouting with glee as I swooped at high speed across a green countryside landscape. I was talking to other people in nearby helicopters joining me in this game.
I had quite a few experiences of speaking to people I know in RL, they were highly articulate, and we could have full conversations. But they didn't recognise me. It was interesting to note the expressions moving across their face as they tried to work out who I was.
Most of the experiences were bright and good. A couple were dark - interestingly, it was when I entered dark rooms that I felt any negative presence, or felt constrained by an negative entity. But having such a degree of lucidity, I easily escaped these situations.
I'm still smiling as I type up these experiences. Again, I've never experienced not being able to wake up from LDs before!
Galantamine effects the acetylcholine receptors, nicotine does also, which explains its effects in inducing LD's (for people who haven't built a tolerance to nicotine.)
I can induce LD's without using substances, but it usually requires a fair bit of work beforehand, these substances make it a lot easier and also make the LD's a lot more coherent and longer lasting.
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Coincidentiaoppositorum said: Has anybody had experience with compounds specifically for dreaming like Calea zacatechichi?
-E. Borodin
Yes, very much recommended Havent tried microdosing for this specifically, but stopping weed and smoking or drinking some calea really gives you intense dreams
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Re: Has anybody tried micro dosing before bed to enhance dreaming? [Re: thoraxx]
#21939999 - 07/13/15 11:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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how much calea do you typically smoke to get effects?
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Re: Has anybody tried micro dosing before bed to enhance dreaming? [Re: misterjingo]
#21940027 - 07/13/15 11:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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misterjingo said: The best substance I've come across for LD'ing is Galantamine. Here's a post from my journal detailing one experiment with it:
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I've been doing more experimentation with this substance, usually on Sat and Sun mornings when I don't have to be up too early. My findings so far are that timing is key – from ones bedtime to what time one wakes up and doses, to how long one stays awake.
The most successful formula I've hit upon is bedtime around 2:30 am. Take 600 mg of alpha gpc (choline) and 200 mg of 5-htp for REM rebound.
Wake after 4 hours sleep and take 16 mg Galantamine and another 600 mg of alpha GPC and a tablet of high strength vitamin B. The one I’m using has 714 times the RDA of B6, so pretty high. The B vitamin might be unneeded, but there’s a lot of research showing that B6 increases both dream recall and vividity.
It should be noted that I regularly go to sleep around 2:30-3am, so other people might have to find the right places within their own circadian rhythm – this is what works for me.
I also take Piracetam after the Lucid Dreams to counter the effects of the Galantamine – I've read this stops tolerance building.
At first the 16 mg Galantamine was too much, but taking it at the correct time within the sleep cycle (and perhaps a certain familiarity with its effects at this dose) ensures it doesn't affect getting back to sleep.
I have been using a mind machine over the past week (a Laxman), and using it while meditating, this might explain the lucidity and control felt in this morning’s experiments.
On taking the Galantamine this morning, I did a breath based meditation, which led me into sleep. Also, when going to sleep last night, I set the intent to have an OBE or a Lucid Dream while also doing a breath based meditation.
The Lucid Dreams themselves were just phenomenal. They started off a bit hazy and perhaps driven by base desire (a link with the initial low lucidity?) but after utilising a tactile based reinforcement technique (stamping my feet and clapping my hands hard) they quickly turned into experiences in which I had full emotional and tactile sensation. At one point I tasted a bit of card, and I could feel its glossy texture on my tongue. It was pretty amazing.
The characters I interacted with in the LDs seemed fully aware and capable of deep conversation.
I experienced no sleep paralysis just LD after LD, after false awakening, after LD. I actually didn't know how to wake up! I've never experienced anything like this before, usually LDs don’t last long and one tries to extend them, but I felt like I’d been in the LDs for hours and I couldn't wake up. I physically felt apprehension for a short while and went and spoke to one of the LD characters near me at the time about this.
Not long after this I woke up very groggy, and asked my wife if I was awake, I then stumbled to the window and opened it, and climbed onto the sill. She was shouting that I was awake and to get away from the window. Waves were crashing below, which should have told me that I was still in a LD. She pulled me from the window and back into bed. Not long after I managed to force myself awake. I think the hazy nature was because I was near waking, so neither reality or the LD environment had complete grasp of my senses.
During the LDs I seemed to have complete control. At one point I wanted to visit my daughter, and I found myself in a locale which was touched with her presence. It looked more child-like. I found her and picked her up and walked with her for a while.
After some time we found ourselves in a narrow passage, flanked on each side by tall, old stone brick walls. Trees were overhead, and I sensed we were in a countryside locale. At one end of the passage was an unkempt looking youth, at the other a fox like beast.
The youth was telling me the beast was dangerous and I should stay away. I next seemed to be infused with knowledge of the situation, I flew up to get a view of the area I was in, and was experiencing an influx of knowledge. The people the youth belong to had taken some of the fox like beasts ancestors into captivity and bred them with other creatures. They had created a troll like form of the fox creature and now there was animosity on both sides.
Other experiences included flying military style helicopters while shouting with glee as I swooped at high speed across a green countryside landscape. I was talking to other people in nearby helicopters joining me in this game.
I had quite a few experiences of speaking to people I know in RL, they were highly articulate, and we could have full conversations. But they didn't recognise me. It was interesting to note the expressions moving across their face as they tried to work out who I was.
Most of the experiences were bright and good. A couple were dark - interestingly, it was when I entered dark rooms that I felt any negative presence, or felt constrained by an negative entity. But having such a degree of lucidity, I easily escaped these situations.
I'm still smiling as I type up these experiences. Again, I've never experienced not being able to wake up from LDs before!
Galantamine effects the acetylcholine receptors, nicotine does also, which explains its effects in inducing LD's (for people who haven't built a tolerance to nicotine.)
I can induce LD's without using substances, but it usually requires a fair bit of work beforehand, these substances make it a lot easier and also make the LD's a lot more coherent and longer lasting.
sounds interesting, weird that I'd not heard of it before. Doesn't seem scheduled either. I'll have to try it
I suppose nothing dream related is scheduled 
quite the dream experience! read it all. I'm able to LD somewhat reliably if its on my mind a lot at the time. Haven't gotten nearly as deep as you have though. Mine always end really quickly.
I've tried rubbing my hands together in LD to achieve tactile sensation and enhance lucidity, but it hasn't worked very well. I like the idea of stomping your feet and clapping much better. Maybe slap myself in the face. Or maybe pinching yourself achieves the best results and that's where that saying originated from 
I have a feeling that the info you just gave me may help my dreaming immensely. I thank you
Edited by Psilosopherr (07/14/15 12:05 AM)
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Re: Has anybody tried micro dosing before bed to enhance dreaming? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#21940046 - 07/13/15 11:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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im sure someone could fall asleep if they really wanted to micro dosing ive done it a couple times and stayed up just so i can see what affects such small doses had to offer.
im sure it could affect dreams most psyches do IME.
cigarettes and nicotine will make it harder to dream and recollect them. just some advise.
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Re: Has anybody tried micro dosing before bed to enhance dreaming? [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
#21940087 - 07/14/15 12:06 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Trichome_Delta9 said: im sure someone could fall asleep if they really wanted to micro dosing ive done it a couple times and stayed up just so i can see what affects such small doses had to offer.
im sure it could affect dreams most psyches do IME.
cigarettes and nicotine will make it harder to dream and recollect them. just some advise.
what makes you say that about nicotine?
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Re: Has anybody tried micro dosing before bed to enhance dreaming? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#21940096 - 07/14/15 12:08 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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i read about it alot when trying to quit years ago that when you quit you dream more vividly and much more often than if you smoke cigs are ingest nicotine.
im sure you could read more about it online. its been years since ive researched all that dream stuff.
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Re: Has anybody tried micro dosing before bed to enhance dreaming? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#21940295 - 07/14/15 01:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I still don't understand why everyone gets inhibited dreams from weed 
It seems to enhance my dream memory a thousand-fold. I remember my dreams maybe 4 out of 7 days of weed whereas normally it would be like one a month if I am lucky.
It's actually bugging me, I only start to dream 2-3 hours before I wake up and when the dreams get intense I end up waking up earlier than I would like because the second I close my eyes again I go right back into the dream
But yeah, I smoke a lot of weed, especially before bed, and it not only helps me remember my dreams but it seems to make them much more vivid as well, it's hard to tell when it's a dream and when it's not.
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Re: Has anybody tried micro dosing before bed to enhance dreaming? [Re: Gottaloveacid]
#21940363 - 07/14/15 02:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Gottaloveacid said: I remember my dreams maybe 4 out of 7 days of weed.
I can see you like weed
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Re: Has anybody tried micro dosing before bed to enhance dreaming? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
#21940476 - 07/14/15 03:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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i;ve fallen asleep on the comup of lsa very vildy fun dream but like dreaming dude just take like
melatonin shits wild as fuck
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Re: Has anybody tried micro dosing before bed to enhance dreaming? [Re: Shroomopotamus]
#21940479 - 07/14/15 03:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Melatonin blows.
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Re: Has anybody tried micro dosing before bed to enhance dreaming? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
#21940481 - 07/14/15 03:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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ur so wrong wild i tell ya WILD!!!!!
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Re: Has anybody tried micro dosing before bed to enhance dreaming? [Re: Guardian187]
#21941064 - 07/14/15 08:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Coincidentiaoppositorum said: I've wanted to try this with ACRB/PHS yage, take a few small sips before sleep.
I take peganum harmala seeds before sleep from time to time, not in a 3g dose, maybe half that, and it does appear to enhance my dreaming experience, keep in mind these doses shouldn't do all that much to you otherwise, I mean I can tell there's harmine in my system, but those not as sensitive May not even notice it.
Aren't their nootropics that claim to enhance dreaming?
Has anybody had experience with compounds specifically for dreaming like Calea zacatechichi?
-E. Borodin
I've heard good things about nootropics and dreaming but haven't personally tested. I cannot sleep with psychedelics either... Maybe weed would help, but I'm curious to test it out.
What would be considered a micro dose? Less than 1g?
3g is the effective dose for MAO inhibition as well as psychological effects.
Before I sleep I take anywhere from a small pinch to 1.5g of the powdered peganum harmala seeds, in low dose harmala alkaloids induce a drowsey state, and seem to intensify my dreams.
Calea zacatechichi is an herb specifically for dreaming, I have heard it doesn't do much otherwise, but is amazing for dreams. I have not tested it, but it's available through several ethnobotanical vendors, and may be interesting to experiment with.
Can anybody recommend a specific nootropic for dreaming?
-E. Borodin
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Re: Has anybody tried micro dosing before bed to enhance dreaming? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
#21941151 - 07/14/15 08:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Rebelutionsssss said: Melatonin blows.
Though it's hard to discern any effects from melatonin it is N-acetyl-5-methoxy-tryptamine, it's produced in the pineal body from serotonin, pinoline (6-MEO-tetrahydro-beta-Carboline) is also produced by the pineal body via melatonin metabolization. Pinoline is near identical to the harmala alkaloids in peganum harmala and banisteriopsis caapi plants. Pinoline is also found in higher levels in buddhist monks and yogis. So if your consuming melatonin which is converted to pinoline, then melatonin (aside from regulating circadian rhythm and other hormonal functions) is having a neurochemical effect which can enhance dreaming and spiritual preceptions by increasing levels of pinoline as well as other endogenous tryptamine neurotransmitters which may have an effect on dreaming and mystical states... (Due to all this tryptamine chemistry, many speculate that endogenous DMT is produced in the pineal body, and speculate that stimulation of the pineal body increases endogenous DMT levels) (It's also speculated that DMT May play a role in REM sleep, which is why I want to microdose yage before bed, because it would be raising levels of pinoline similar beta-Carbolines (harmine/harmaline/THH) as well as DMT, and may have an effect on dreaming.)
-E. Borodin
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Coincidentiaoppositorum said:
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Guardian187 said:
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Coincidentiaoppositorum said: I've wanted to try this with ACRB/PHS yage, take a few small sips before sleep.
I take peganum harmala seeds before sleep from time to time, not in a 3g dose, maybe half that, and it does appear to enhance my dreaming experience, keep in mind these doses shouldn't do all that much to you otherwise, I mean I can tell there's harmine in my system, but those not as sensitive May not even notice it.
Aren't their nootropics that claim to enhance dreaming?
Has anybody had experience with compounds specifically for dreaming like Calea zacatechichi?
-E. Borodin
I've heard good things about nootropics and dreaming but haven't personally tested. I cannot sleep with psychedelics either... Maybe weed would help, but I'm curious to test it out.
What would be considered a micro dose? Less than 1g?
3g is the effective dose for MAO inhibition as well as psychological effects.
Before I sleep I take anywhere from a small pinch to 1.5g of the powdered peganum harmala seeds, in low dose harmala alkaloids induce a drowsey state, and seem to intensify my dreams.
Calea zacatechichi is an herb specifically for dreaming, I have heard it doesn't do much otherwise, but is amazing for dreams. I have not tested it, but it's available through several ethnobotanical vendors, and may be interesting to experiment with.
Can anybody recommend a specific nootropic for dreaming?
-E. Borodin
calea seems to put me in a weird headspace. Hard to describe but I think I get some effects
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Re: Has anybody tried micro dosing before bed to enhance dreaming? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#21941723 - 07/14/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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rbalzer said: how much calea do you typically smoke to get effects?
Its not incredibly potent, i just pack a bowl or joint and see how it goes, right before bedtime is best Its a good sleep aid at higher dose, with a slight headspace similar to a heavy indica
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Re: Has anybody tried micro dosing before bed to enhance dreaming? [Re: thoraxx]
#21941749 - 07/14/15 11:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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thoraxx said:
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rbalzer said: how much calea do you typically smoke to get effects?
Its not incredibly potent, i just pack a bowl or joint and see how it goes, right before bedtime is best Its a good sleep aid at higher dose, with a slight headspace similar to a heavy indica
tried a good sized bowl of calea last night along with 3 small mushrooms.
Didn't remember any dreams. But I did smoke bud late in the day too
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Re: Has anybody tried micro dosing before bed to enhance dreaming? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#21941762 - 07/14/15 11:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I can't sleep even after a micro dose of shrooms. Piracetam is a better option for dream enhancement and recall. It works 10000x better than micro dose psychs and you can sleep on it.
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Re: Has anybody tried micro dosing before bed to enhance dreaming? [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
#21941846 - 07/14/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Trichome_Delta9 said: im sure someone could fall asleep if they really wanted to micro dosing ive done it a couple times and stayed up just so i can see what affects such small doses had to offer.
im sure it could affect dreams most psyches do IME.
cigarettes and nicotine will make it harder to dream and recollect them. just some advise.
Last trip I had for a good long while now, I got home after a long day and got drunk. On a drunkern impulse I decided to dose some shrooms and waiting to come up I actually fell asleep and awoke tripping out of my mind.
I know I was also having some fucked up crazy dreams before waking up, within which I was dreaming and tripping balls at the same time. Obviously what with the drink and being unconcious at the time its not all that easy to remember but it was rather out of control as I recall, very sinister and alien. Perhaps it was just violently trying to wake me up! Havent tripped since.
Tryptamines man, even if you fall asleep coming up can be rough!
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Re: Has anybody tried micro dosing before bed to enhance dreaming? [Re: Zombi3]
#21941919 - 07/14/15 12:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Zombi3 said: I can't sleep even after a micro dose of shrooms. Piracetam is a better option for dream enhancement and recall. It works 10000x better than micro dose psychs and you can sleep on it.
Hadn't heard of that. The reports on erowid sound quite promising.
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