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WBS is a pain in the *** for transfer jars
    #21935447 - 07/12/15 10:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Anything easier to use than WBS? I'm probably either going to inject the jars directly 1CC each, or continue to do Agar transfers...... that process took almost all day straining 30thousand times....... for 10 quarts dry (that ended up being about 15 jars 3/4 full, PC'd strained 3-4 times) I had leftover jars i could use, and a about another 1.5 amt of WBS..... I guess Rye is easier to use? I got a 40 lb bag of wbs for 20 bucks...  have a tiny sink strainer and not a lot of room to work with. I could really only do 5 quart jars in the PC at a time.... Suggestions?


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Re: WBS is a pain in the *** for transfer jars [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #21935596 - 07/12/15 11:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I like oats. Doesnt get millet and milo everywhere.


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Re: WBS is a pain in the *** for transfer jars [Re: chaka333]
    #21935615 - 07/12/15 11:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Not sure what's going on here...?  What's the pain in the ass?

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Oneida-Oversink-Colander/15149549

I use this strainer. It works perfectly for WBS.

If you use 'regular' pasta strainers WBS will get everywhere.  Did you say you strained the WBS AFTER you PC'd the jars?


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Re: WBS is a pain in the *** for transfer jars [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #21935754 - 07/13/15 12:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Not sure why it would take that long.

For the rinsing part I like to take it outside and use a spray nozzle attached to a hose to get the pressure to really rinse it well in less time.

WBS is pretty easy once you get the hang of it but for the ease nowadays I opt for the rye even if it costs a tad bit more:shrug:


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Re: WBS is a pain in the *** for transfer jars [Re: mushmagic]
    #21935975 - 07/13/15 03:03 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Basically i did thiS

24 hours in a bucket w water
Rinse [it was 10 quarts + so i did this 4 times ubtil it was all done]
Pressure cooker- used it as a pot, simmered until 5% burst
rinse another 4x
removed excess water via paper towels
Put it back in jars with proper lids
pc'd 6 quart jars 2 times and another 3 once. Took all day. Better method?


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Re: WBS is a pain in the *** for transfer jars [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #21935978 - 07/13/15 03:03 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Not sure what's going on here...?  What's the pain in the ass?

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Oneida-Oversink-Colander/15149549



I use this strainer. It works perfectly for WBS.

If you use 'regular' pasta strainers WBS will get everywhere.  Did you say you strained the WBS AFTER you PC'd the jars?




This is exactly what i have


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Re: WBS is a pain in the *** for transfer jars [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #21936295 - 07/13/15 07:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well for one you don't need to rinse again after the simmer and which will help you a little time-wise by steam drying and then if needed you can get the last little bit of moisture with papertowels.

Also definitely no point it cooking your jars twice so that should cut quite a bit more time out as well.


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Re: WBS is a pain in the *** for transfer jars [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #21936571 - 07/13/15 09:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:whathesaid: as well.



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Basically i did thiS...
24 hours in a bucket w water
Rinse [it was 10 quarts + so i did this 4 times ubtil it was all done]




Rinse THEN soak in hot tap water with 1 tbsp gypsum. 
Then I boil the grains for 5-10 minutes.  I do this so the grains are hot and can be easily steam dried.  After just 5 minutes of shaking the recently boil grains in the colander they are almost completely dry on the surface. 


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rinse another 4x
removed excess water via paper towels




When rinsing the grains after the simmer it makes it impossible to do the steam dry technique. 


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pc'd 6 quart jars 2 times and another 3 once. Took all day. Better method?




You should only have to PC the jars once for 90mins at 14-15psi.


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Re: WBS is a pain in the *** for transfer jars [Re: shroomyaxn]
    #21936807 - 07/13/15 11:00 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You don't want to simmer WBS. :facepalm:

Just bring to a boil and strain. Load into jars and pressure cook.


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Re: WBS is a pain in the *** for transfer jars [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #21936827 - 07/13/15 11:08 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I use that same strainer... It adjusted and fits in this sink...get two for bigger batches...works amazing


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Re: WBS is a pain in the *** for transfer jars [Re: Darkhome]
    #21936833 - 07/13/15 11:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

No simmering wbs :takingnotes:
Thanks elasticaltiger... I've been wondering if I should start bringing it to a boil... Hard to get the last of the millet to colonize


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Re: WBS is a pain in the *** for transfer jars [Re: Darkhome]
    #21938489 - 07/13/15 06:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

what kind of wbs are you using?

walmart has pennington finch seed. works great.

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Re: WBS is a pain in the *** for transfer jars [Re: Darkhome]
    #21939264 - 07/13/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)


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I use that same strainer... It adjusted and fits in this sink...get two for bigger batches...works amazing



Same here.  Does work amazing when incorporating sinks.  I got mine from Walmart years ago and it's surprisingly still doing its job. 

I use rye. So my method stated above regarding boiling the grain would work with rye berries perfectly. 
Give rye a shot.


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Re: WBS is a pain in the *** for transfer jars [Re: shroomyaxn]
    #21939288 - 07/13/15 09:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I like stealing my window screen.  Huge surface area so I can lay the grains out in single layer and they steam dry super quick.


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Re: WBS is a pain in the *** for transfer jars [Re: CMOSS]
    #21939370 - 07/13/15 09:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

yep. this


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Re: WBS is a pain in the *** for transfer jars [Re: eatyualive]
    #21947044 - 07/15/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The problem i have here is that 15 jars is a pain in the ass to do this method. I have LIMITED SPACE. I have one strainer so every time i rinse them, at all, I have to do multiple loads and rinses and drains [3-4 EACH RINSE] which makes a decent mess.... I do rinse before soaking them, and i meant i did three loads of PC. not pressure cooking the same kind twice

So what i learned here is... boil the wbs, and the second it boils, strain it? I have a 32 quart PC and i dont have a strainer that can do 15 jars worth of wbs at once- im kind of looking for a different method here. It works so far, my jars are colonizing fine, but there has to be a more efficient way or grain so i dont have to keep dumping and draining


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Re: WBS is a pain in the *** for transfer jars [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #21947083 - 07/15/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

buy 2 strainers? :shrug:

fooman has a great wbs prep if you need to do 3 pc runs on the go.
just grab the grain you need after 3-4 hrs or so and let the rest soak while you wait for the pc to finish.


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Re: WBS is a pain in the *** for transfer jars [Re: spacechildo]
    #21947571 - 07/15/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Is straining it the second it boils the thing to do? Simmering seemed to wor for me, i have OK growth going on so far...  wewk or two away from being able to do the tubs!


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Re: WBS is a pain in the *** for transfer jars [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #21947591 - 07/15/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

hmm, no thats not how he does it. here, check it out


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Re: WBS is a pain in the *** for transfer jars [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #21947605 - 07/15/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

read that :smile:

I use a bucket, my presto pc as a pot, and a diy strainer (see below)(upscale version from link). When the water boils I dump it in the bucket, with 1/4 cup gypsum then pour my wbs in (from the bag). Soak a half hour/hour then dump on the strainer. Fill the bucket up with hot water one time and slowly dump it over the wbs to rinse. Then spread evenly. Set timer for 15 minutes, then flip (wear gloves on metal screen) and load jars.

one half full presto lets me do like 20lbs wbs/bucket, and the screen holds 40lbs if you're in a hurry.....



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Re: WBS is a pain in the *** for transfer jars [Re: filthyknees]
    #21947653 - 07/15/15 02:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

This is the method i'm doing next.

Why the gypsum vs verm? Doesnt wbs have moisture issues compared to rye? I thought verm was used with wbs to hold excess moisture if theres too much or not enough...
im definitely making a strainer this way. I'd rather have one big one than two small ones. And the method alone seems to take ess time. Thanks!


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Re: WBS is a pain in the *** for transfer jars [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #21947680 - 07/15/15 02:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I put gypsum in with my soak water.

I do not put verm in with my wbs when jarring - proper soak/strain achieve proper moisture content.

I do include verm when I pasteurize substrate, coir for me


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Re: WBS is a pain in the *** for transfer jars [Re: filthyknees]
    #21947827 - 07/15/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I put wbs in my pc jars with verm, and the first transfers are almost 1 1/2 weeks and arent 50% yet. Im about to do more agar jars and more wbs jars. I used columbian rust and was going to get something more agressive, growth wise... I just gotta find a method that works for me i guess. To be honest id rather do away with the agar, but i know without it i might end up wasting a bunch of jars from contam or trich or something which you can see with the agar. Although tbh i really only did 1/4 of a glad round [bottom was cut into 4] [screw top] each transfer.


i keep throwing out lids because o drill them and they rust


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Re: WBS is a pain in the *** for transfer jars [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #21948068 - 07/15/15 03:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I use the no cook method for my wbs. I've been doing fine with it.


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    #21948521 - 07/15/15 05:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I just did 5qt of WBS. The bitch to me was getting the seed dry after the soak and cook. Still not positive I did a good enough job, but I have growth showing up. I fucked up and did my injections on most of it straight down the middle though so I have little spots of fuzz where it hit and not sure how deep it goes. I've been looking for a source on oats but I don't wanna drive way out to BFE to get to a feed store.


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Re: WBS is a pain in the *** for transfer jars [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
    #21948849 - 07/15/15 06:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

BFE


Bum.. fuck..... something?


what can i do about rusty lids or do to  prevent it


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Re: WBS is a pain in the *** for transfer jars [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #21948990 - 07/15/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Bum Fuck Egypt. Maybe its just southern vernacular. Scrub em with a pad, I wouldnt concern yourself to much though, they are gonna rust. If they start getting real flaky, buy more. Like 3 bucks for a pack of 12 or something


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    #21949063 - 07/15/15 07:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I always use a windows screen over my sink as my screen and then I dump onto a towel


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    #21949092 - 07/15/15 07:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

^^^Remembering this for next time


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Re: WBS is a pain in the *** for transfer jars [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #21949365 - 07/15/15 09:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

ahh.... I wasn't sure if the rust would effect anything... Where can i buy just lids?


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Re: WBS is a pain in the *** for transfer jars [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #21949445 - 07/15/15 09:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Walmart or anywhere that sells canning supplies


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Re: WBS is a pain in the *** for transfer jars [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #21949611 - 07/15/15 10:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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So what i learned here is... boil the wbs, and the second it boils, strain it? I have a 32 quart PC and i dont have a strainer that can do 15 jars worth of wbs at once- im kind of looking for a different method here. It works so far, my jars are colonizing fine, but there has to be a more efficient way or grain so i dont have to keep dumping and draining




After my rye has boiled for 5-10 minutes I pour into the wire strainer and shake until the steam has stopped evaporating.  This is the only time i use the strainer. 

To rinse grains, the dump and pour method is actually the most efficient in my opinion.  I probably have to fill, swirl and dump 4-5 times.


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