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crispy86
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panic attack on weed...
#21934029 - 07/12/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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so, from age 16-25 i puffed herb and concentrate 24/7 with no problems and have had my medical card in 3 different states. to put it short without sounding arrogant, i know my herb.
that being said, i've been taking breaks from smoking since age 25 (i'm 29). was sober for a year and a half, then started smoking again and found it anxiety-provoking for the first month until i built my tolerance back up. it literally felt like i took a low micd hit of L every time i puffed.
recently, after 6 months of sobriety, i puffed 2 or 3 hits of herb on 4th of July. i found it anxiety-provoking, but not enough for me to have a really disturbing experience. it just felt like i was on some low micd L for a couple hours.
the 5th of July, during the day, i took one puff. i had instant anxiety which led to a full-blown panic attack 20 minutes later. i started to walk away from the elevator back to my hotel room, my vision was fading in and out, and i eventually fell to the ground as i was fading in and out of consciousness. next thing i know i'm laying in my bed in the hotel and felt like i was dissociating from reality. it felt like a dream.
i've never experienced anything like this before, and it made me question if i ever should smoke weed again.
i have a long history of anxiety, panic attacks, and i suffer from a rare pseudo-neurological/psychological condition known as conversion disorder.
any advice on what may have happened, or if i should even consider smoking weed again? was this simply a matter of low tolerance to extremely potent medical marijuana?
i miss puffing, but if this were to happen every time i use it, then i'm gonna have to say goodbye to it
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Re: panic attack on weed... [Re: crispy86]
#21934066 - 07/12/15 03:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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any advice on what may have happened, or if i should even consider smoking weed again? was this simply a matter of low tolerance to extremely potent medical marijuana?
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have a long history of anxiety, panic attacks, and i suffer from a rare pseudo-neurological/psychological condition known as conversion disorder.
THC is a psychotic and will precipitate latent mental issues like anxiety mania, delusions, etc
I have even witnessed panic attacks from people not suffering from any mental distress. 
Your pulse jumps some, you are intoxicated, blood pressure can be effected, paranoia 
That shits a recipe for a freak out man! Try a CBD rich strain, its an antipsychotic and sedative. I will go from hypomanic to manic (bipolar II) from sativa dominant strains and with indica strains (especially afghanis) i am actually calmed down and able to sleep.
Tread lightly and avoid sativas if possible, or at least until you have more off a tolerance 
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Re: panic attack on weed... [Re: crispy86]
#21934075 - 07/12/15 03:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Could very well be low tolerance and high potency weed. If you want to keep puffing, buy a lower potency strain from the med shop. They have so many to choose from I'm sure you won't have any problems. Good luck!!
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Re: panic attack on weed... [Re: Toadstool5]
#21934099 - 07/12/15 03:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Toadstool5 said:
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any advice on what may have happened, or if i should even consider smoking weed again? was this simply a matter of low tolerance to extremely potent medical marijuana?
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have a long history of anxiety, panic attacks, and i suffer from a rare pseudo-neurological/psychological condition known as conversion disorder.
THC is a psychotic and will precipitate latent mental issues like anxiety mania, delusions, etc
I have even witnessed panic attacks from people not suffering from any mental distress. 
Your pulse jumps some, you are intoxicated, blood pressure can be effected, paranoia 
That shits a recipe for a freak out man! Try a CBD rich strain, its an antipsychotic and sedative. I will go from hypomanic to manic (bipolar II) from sativa dominant strains and with indica strains (especially afghanis) i am actually calmed down and able to sleep.
Tread lightly and avoid sativas if possible, or at least until you have more off a tolerance  
i'll never touch sativa dominant strains again
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crispy86
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natedawgnow said: Could very well be low tolerance and high potency weed. If you want to keep puffing, buy a lower potency strain from the med shop. They have so many to choose from I'm sure you won't have any problems. Good luck!!
thanks. unfortunately, where i'm living currently, there are no med shops. so, i'll just have to be cautious in the future
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Re: panic attack on weed... [Re: crispy86]
#21934217 - 07/12/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thats the hardest thing without knowing the source or having reliable lab results. You never know if its a 10mg bowl of 1:1 THC:CBD or a 30mg bowl with 5:1 THC:CBD
I cant wait for someone to start selling 1:4 THC:CBD metered dose inhalers that kick out ~10mg per inhalation! Make the hemisuccinic salt of the cannabinoids, add lost aromatic compounds, load up the cartridges, and eliminate the carcinogenicity of smoking without the loss in potency from vaping.
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Re: panic attack on weed... [Re: Toadstool5]
#21934221 - 07/12/15 04:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Toadstool5 said: Thats the hardest thing without knowing the source or having reliable lab results. You never know if its a 10mg bowl of 1:1 THC:CBD or a 30mg bowl with 5:1 THC:CBD
I cant wait for someone to start selling 1:4 THC:CBD metered dose inhalers that kick out ~10mg per inhalation! Make the hemisuccinic salt of the cannabinoids, add lost aromatic compounds, load up the cartridges, and eliminate the carcinogenicity of smoking without the loss in potency from vaping. 
^ this
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Re: panic attack on weed... [Re: crispy86]
#21934488 - 07/12/15 05:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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crispy86 said: .... i started to walk away from the elevator back to my hotel room, my vision was fading in and out, and i eventually fell to the ground as i was fading in and out of consciousness. next thing i know i'm laying in my bed in the hotel and felt like i was dissociating from reality. it felt like a dream.....
I've experienced what you described in the quote above before from cannabis....sans the anxiety.
That part in particular sounds just like having low blood pressure and being very stoned. In high doses and/or with low tolerance, cannabis can have quite a strong dissociative effect for me.....where I become rather withdrawn from the external world and my body and lose perception of time completely.
To me it just sounds like you had some underlying anxiety combined with very low blood pressure. Having the low blood pressure is what caused you to drop down to the ground and fade in & out of consciousness like that, as well as adding to the dissociated head space...and if you didn't know that was happening because of low blood pressure, I'm sure it only compounded your anxiety bringing you into a full on panic.
It can go both ways....Anxiety/panic can bring on a drop in blood pressure exacerbating the situation, and having low blood pressure from smoking weed will cause you to feel really weird which can bring on anxiety if you don't know what's happening or why you're feeling the way you are.
...if that makes any sense .
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Re: panic attack on weed... [Re: openmind]
#21934589 - 07/12/15 06:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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smoking weed will cause you to feel really weird which can bring on anxiety if you don't know what's happening or why you're feeling the way you are
I still panic after knowing its just a side-effect
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Re: panic attack on weed... [Re: Toadstool5]
#21934604 - 07/12/15 06:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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This is basically why I don't smoke anymore. It was making me feel like a nut case
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Re: panic attack on weed... [Re: openmind]
#21934606 - 07/12/15 06:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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openmind said:
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crispy86 said: .... i started to walk away from the elevator back to my hotel room, my vision was fading in and out, and i eventually fell to the ground as i was fading in and out of consciousness. next thing i know i'm laying in my bed in the hotel and felt like i was dissociating from reality. it felt like a dream.....
I've experienced what you described in the quote above before from cannabis....sans the anxiety.
That part in particular sounds just like having low blood pressure and being very stoned. In high doses and/or with low tolerance, cannabis can have quite a strong dissociative effect for me.....where I become rather withdrawn from the external world and my body and lose perception of time completely.
To me it just sounds like you had some underlying anxiety combined with very low blood pressure. Having the low blood pressure is what caused you to drop down to the ground and fade in & out of consciousness like that, as well as adding to the dissociated head space...and if you didn't know that was happening because of low blood pressure, I'm sure it only compounded your anxiety bringing you into a full on panic.
It can go both ways....Anxiety/panic can bring on a drop in blood pressure exacerbating the situation, and having low blood pressure from smoking weed will cause you to feel really weird which can bring on anxiety if you don't know what's happening or why you're feeling the way you are.
...if that makes any sense .
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i actually suffer from chronic severe pain, and so my blood pressure is often high
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Re: panic attack on weed... [Re: Toadstool5]
#21934614 - 07/12/15 06:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Its funny i can handle high doses of psychedelics but every time i smoke weed i get extreme anxiety. If i smoke weed during a trip it derails it instantly
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Josh-v said: Its funny i can handle high doses of psychedelics but every time i smoke weed i get extreme anxiety. If i smoke weed during a trip it derails it instantly
what baffles me most is that i used to smoke really high potent strains...sativa or indica...and was never susceptible to reactions like this.
only other time i reacted with a panic attack was under similar circumstances...smoked after being sober for 18 months
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Re: panic attack on weed... [Re: crispy86]
#21937629 - 07/13/15 02:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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i actually suffer from chronic severe pain, and so my blood pressure is often high
Cannabis can drop one's blood pressure quite dramatically and quickly (I've collapsed/fainted and gone into convulsive syncope a few times from smoking weed, because of a drop in my blood pressure), and having anxiety can also lead to a drop in blood pressure.
I'm not saying that's exactly what happened, but it sure sounds like what happened was a result of low blood pressure in one way or another.
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Josh-v said: Its funny i can handle high doses of psychedelics but every time i smoke weed i get extreme anxiety. If i smoke weed during a trip it derails it instantly
Same here, in a way....
I use cannabis daily (only about 0.1g to 0.25g a day) and have been doing so for years now. It doesn't give me anxiety "everytime" I smoke it, but the times it has triggered anxiety for me....I'll say, cannabis has given me far more and far worse anxiety/paranoia than any psychedelic ever has*.
(*well, I actually had my First "bad time" after 9 years & 100+ trips on mushrooms this past winter)
I don't really experience anxiety from cannabis like I used to, it actually keeps me rather level headed, this mostly occurred years ago when I was smoking way more than I should have and also didn't have as much of a grip on "myself"....and I had a bit of an anxiety attack once last year from a single dab that was way too big . But when the herb did give me the anxious feels, they were no joke, way more pronounced and far more uncomfortable than any edgy feels that have arisen during my times with psychedelics.
I never like to smoke during the come up of a trip, but during the peak or tail end of a trip I do...and it thrusts me waaaaay way out there. I can most certainly see, and have seen it happen, cannabis completely derailing someones trip and throwing them for one hell of a loop. I've been amazed many times at how much potentiation the herb can have with psychedelics.
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Re: panic attack on weed... [Re: openmind] 1
#21937742 - 07/13/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I used to get anxiety off weed, but I'd keep smoking to try and understand where it came from. I can't explain why, but it seemed moments of anxiety would arise when I tried to force my perception to baseline. I'd get a dual perception of highness and the sober mind states, then it would hit me how altered I actually was which would spark the anxiety. It made no sense.
Lately I've been pushing just how high I can get, and it's like I've found a whole new facet of being high. Time just ceases to exist, and my environment takes on very trippy qualities. Last night the sound of running water was being interpreted as voices whispering and babelling, I was getting stuttering vision, and I could break apart music similar to an LSD experience. Also, I re-watched interstellar and discovered lots of dialogue and meaning I'd missed on previous viewings.
I also started to do breath based meditation when super high, and that's generated some pretty intense experiences.
IMO, the anxiety is not generated by the weed, but something about the weed experience is manifesting it. I don't like the idea of carrying such anxiety, which is why I kept pushing myself to get high, to try and resolve it and be able to relax into the high.
A possible side effect of being super high is a blood sugar crash. I experience this as tremors, which can kick in an anxiety response. Just eat something sweet, or even a spoon or so of sugar to remedy it.
I guess what my meandering post is trying to say, is that it's possible to overcome weed anxiety with a bit of time and determination.
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A possible side effect of being super high is a blood sugar crash. I experience this as tremors, which can kick in an anxiety response. Just eat something sweet, or even a spoon or so of sugar to remedy it.
Very good point! If OP has diabetes that may have been a reason why he fainted.
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