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Is this Cobweb mold?
    #21933706 - 07/12/15 02:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I am starting my first grow and after three weeks my jars look like this, is this the dreaded cobweb mold?





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Re: Is this Cobweb mold? [Re: BionicMonkey]
    #21933712 - 07/12/15 02:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That first pic is essential lol and it's all blurred


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Re: Is this Cobweb mold? [Re: BionicMonkey]
    #21933717 - 07/12/15 02:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Mycelium, but you shouldn't have opened the cake before it fully colonized...

Also there is a contamination forum which would be a better place to ask.


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Re: Is this Cobweb mold? [Re: OPB]
    #21933723 - 07/12/15 02:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

What does it smell like?


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Re: Is this Cobweb mold? [Re: BionicMonkey]
    #21933729 - 07/12/15 02:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Definitely contaminated......what contam is not important.


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Re: Is this Cobweb mold? [Re: impatientguy]
    #21933734 - 07/12/15 02:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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That first pic is essential lol and it's all blurred



I disagree, the second pic shows the contam.....the first pic is not that essential.


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Re: Is this Cobweb mold? [Re: PussyFart]
    #21933747 - 07/12/15 02:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Now that I look at the second pic I see what you mean. That top is mycelium though. It's those classic finger like structures of aerial mycelium. The side does have a problematic spot as you say though.


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Re: Is this Cobweb mold? [Re: PussyFart]
    #21933751 - 07/12/15 02:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That's kinda what I thought lol looked kinda patchy at the top but I'm not as experienced as you so Idk haha


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Re: Is this Cobweb mold? [Re: PussyFart]
    #21933755 - 07/12/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

something looks really off with myc/bac growing on top of where there should be dry verm.
OP needs to re-check how he makes and preps his cakes! www.mushroomvideos.com is as simple as it gets.


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Re: Is this Cobweb mold? [Re: spacechildo]
    #21933764 - 07/12/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

the contam forum sucks nearly no one there knows what the fuck they're talking about aside from kizzle and it's usually pretty dead.

I see no cobweb at all it's fucked though, clearly, and you should start over


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Re: Is this Cobweb mold? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21933777 - 07/12/15 02:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Why is it open? It's not fully colonized! If it wasn't contaminated before it is now.


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Re: Is this Cobweb mold? [Re: TravelAgency]
    #21933781 - 07/12/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

it was before it was open anyway


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Re: Is this Cobweb mold? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21933804 - 07/12/15 02:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah that creamy barrier doesn't look good- and methinks the Verm layer was wet


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Re: Is this Cobweb mold? [Re: TravelAgency]
    #21933820 - 07/12/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks all I appreciate it! I thought it looked a little sketchy,
So if the verm layer gets wet in the PC should I just start over completely?


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Re: Is this Cobweb mold? [Re: BionicMonkey]
    #21933829 - 07/12/15 02:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Thanks all I appreciate it! I thought it looked a little sketchy,
So if the verm layer gets wet in the PC should I just start over completely?




Yes. Also cover the tops with tinfoil and make sure the water level is below the jars...then the top won't get wet.


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Re: Is this Cobweb mold? [Re: OPB]
    #21933837 - 07/12/15 02:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

we take the foil off after the sterilization cycle so the dry verm barrier dries out. of course it comes out wet after sterilization you're heating up your jars the moisture in the PF jar redistributes and the verm will get a little damp.


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Re: Is this Cobweb mold? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21933868 - 07/12/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yes. The point of the tinfoil is to keep water from running into the holes while in the pc. *I know you know this Bodhisatta I am just clarifying for the OP*


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Re: Is this Cobweb mold? [Re: OPB]
    #21933883 - 07/12/15 03:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

if the tops come out wet after the PC you don't need to start over, if your jars get too wet because you didn't use foil at all you start over.


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Re: Is this Cobweb mold? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21934019 - 07/12/15 03:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The first picture has a shitty oil paint effect on it..... The second picture is healthy mycelium but, your dry verm barrier is wet and the myc grew up into it. Either way, the lid shouldn't be off. Make sure your verm and top of the jar is completely dry or something will grow... Myc or mold.

Where the hell do you people see a contam? That's super rhizo with wet verm falling down the side.


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Re: Is this Cobweb mold? [Re: BAILEYx215]
    #21934021 - 07/12/15 03:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It's fucked...


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Re: Is this Cobweb mold? [Re: BAILEYx215]
    #21934042 - 07/12/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

if you cant see that cake is fucked you should focus on asking and not answering questions!


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Re: Is this Cobweb mold? [Re: spacechildo]
    #21934064 - 07/12/15 03:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:rofl:


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Re: Is this Cobweb mold? [Re: spacechildo]
    #21934081 - 07/12/15 03:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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if you cant see that cake is fucked you should focus on asking and not answering questions!



It's covered in healthy white myc. Theres wet verm falling from the top and sticking to the glass. He shouldn't have opened it but, I don't see a contam anywhere. There's definitely no cobweb...


You can even see the rhizo strands in the first picture. Look anything like cobweb?


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Re: Is this Cobweb mold? [Re: BAILEYx215]
    #21934421 - 07/12/15 05:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It's that solid creamy white looking barrier you can clearly see from the side view. It's fucked.

It's easy as hell to tell once you know and understand what you are looking at. I have had jars that had a THIN but solid barrier between the colonizing mycelium and the BRF mix. After some experience you can just tell...

Bury that in an a small hole outdoors with some Hpoo and you may still get something.


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Re: Is this Cobweb mold? [Re: BAILEYx215]
    #21934423 - 07/12/15 05:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

No its bacterial.


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Re: Is this Cobweb mold? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21934450 - 07/12/15 05:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

100% of the time when I've wondered if I had a contam, the answer wound up being, "Yes!"

Put the lid back on and store somewhere way away from any other grows and check out for yourself what happens in the next few days.

And btw now that you've opened the lid you better start some serious disinfecting/sterilizing in that area.


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Re: Is this Cobweb mold? [Re: ShroominMe]
    #21934474 - 07/12/15 05:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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And btw now that you've opened the lid you better start some serious disinfecting/sterilizing in that area.



why? does bacteria have legs


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Re: Is this Cobweb mold? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21934479 - 07/12/15 05:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)


bacterial.


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Re: Is this Cobweb mold? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21940448 - 07/14/15 02:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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bacterial.




OP- "So if the verm layer gets wet in the PC should I just start over completely?"

Can't be sure because we're only looking at a picture. But the "Bacteria" looks like, and is at the same spot in the jar where a wet verm barrier would be.


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Re: Is this Cobweb mold? [Re: BAILEYx215]
    #21940665 - 07/14/15 05:16 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:facepalm: retire your eyes its fucked


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Re: Is this Cobweb mold? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21940801 - 07/14/15 06:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)


The myc looks strong and healthy. Why does the bacteria look exactly like saturated vermiculite? There's even flakes of it all over the top of the jar and falling down the sides. Exactly like a verm barrier. Why is the bacteria the same exact color as verm? It even has little chunks in it and you can see the golden verm flakes in the midddle. What kind of bacteria is that?

Everyone on here is so damn negative. It's like they want to be the first person to tell someone their shit's fucked up or they failed. All anyone does is talk shit. With or without knowledge, doesnt matter.


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Re: Is this Cobweb mold? [Re: BAILEYx215]
    #21940886 - 07/14/15 07:32 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Why is the bacteria the same exact color as verm?

Everyone on here is so damn negative. It's like they want to be the first person to tell someone their shit's fucked up or they failed. All anyone does is talk shit. With or without knowledge, doesnt matter.




:facepalm:

if you think bac looks like verm you need some serious help.

and we arent negative we're simplysaying it as it is. so far you're the only one here talking shit and lacking in knowledge..


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Re: Is this Cobweb mold? [Re: BAILEYx215]
    #21940891 - 07/14/15 07:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It looks like a shit ton of solution wss used to knock that up.. I agree that its most likely bacteria from the syringe possibly ? Whatever it is it has mycellium yes, but that top is suspect for sure.


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Re: Is this Cobweb mold? [Re: BAILEYx215]
    #21941258 - 07/14/15 09:28 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Everyone on here is so damn negative. It's like they want to be the first person to tell someone their shit's fucked up or they failed. All anyone does is talk shit. With or without knowledge, doesnt matter.




Link to the post where I first discovered that IDing contamination can be difficult when first starting out.

grainbrain and Pastywhyte gave me some excellent constructive criticism, and instead of arguing with them, I followed through on my experiment with the understanding that things would possibly crap out.
And they did.
So I thanked people for helping me, started over again, and now that I look back at the jar of mine in that thread, today, I'd throw it in the Schyulkill before using it for any work.

Don't get mad if someone tells you your stuff is contaminated or that your analysis on something is incorrect; especially TC and/or mods.  They got where they are by knowing what they're doing.  FFS, I was a research virologist and laboratory specialist for over a decade before getting into this hobby.  I grew all manner of cells, bacteria, viruses, made purifications and vaccines, and I thought when I started out "how tough could this really be?"  Man, was I presumptuous (and maybe a bit pretentious.) 
There's always something more to learn, whether it's moving from BRF jars and spore syringes to agar and grains for bulk, or going from jars to bags, learning to clone, learning to isolate, learn, learn, learn...  Keep reading, practicing, and taking the advice of those who know more than you do.  You won't learn anything by arguing.


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    #21941276 - 07/14/15 09:32 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Is this Cobweb mold? [Re: BAILEYx215]
    #21941301 - 07/14/15 09:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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The myc looks strong and healthy. Why does the bacteria look exactly like saturated vermiculite? There's even flakes of it all over the top of the jar and falling down the sides. Exactly like a verm barrier. Why is the bacteria the same exact color as verm? It even has little chunks in it and you can see the golden verm flakes in the midddle. What kind of bacteria is that?

Everyone on here is so damn negative. It's like they want to be the first person to tell someone their shit's fucked up or they failed. All anyone does is talk shit. With or without knowledge, doesnt matter.



We aren't trying to be negative, just honest. Albeit, sometimes a little brutal honesty. The answer may be a negative one to you, but non-the-less the right answer. Sorry about the contam man. But we are not going to lie to you. We want you to succeed....:thumbup:

After seeing some of the different contams a few times, you will be able to spot them much easier. It took me awhile too. And I am still learning and will keep continuing to learn through my own and other peoples' experience. As long as we learn something, only a positive can come out of even a negative experience.


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Re: Is this Cobweb mold? [Re: FreeWorldOrder]
    #21941333 - 07/14/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

its not even his jar. Dunno what this dude really wants.. :rolleyes:


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