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LearysGrandson
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Pharmahuasca?
#21933556 - 07/12/15 01:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey guys, so I am having some confusion on this whol pharmahuasca thing. I have heard that you can eat straight up freebase 45 minutes after some rue tea or any MAOI and you will have an ayahuascaesque trip. Is this true? I have also heard that it can be converted into a salt. Do I have to convert it into a salt and how does it affect the experience as opposed to eating freebase?
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impatientguy
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I think the acid in your gut will turn it into a salt. So ya that sounds right to me man.
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LearysGrandson
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Do you know if it is better to convert it into a salt though?
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impatientguy
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Haha no sorry but it will once it hits your gut I think
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Eggtimer
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From what I've read freebase will work but might be weaker and can upset the stomach.
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natedawgnow
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I have personally done pharma and traditional aya many many times. This is my method: I use extracted DMT freebase at 1 mg per body pound, so for me that's 175 mg, which is a really strong trip. Half that will knock you out but I enjoy strong doses.
Then I either use extracted thh or I make a tea from rue. I take a shotglass of lemon juice and pour my deemz into it to effectively alter the deemz into DMT citrate, which helps you digest it.
If I make tea, I drink half of it then wait 20 minutes, then pour my shot of lemon and deemz into the rest of the tea and gulp it down. If I use extracted thh I take 200 mg before I take my deemz shot, or just mix it in with the shot as well.
Works for me everytime and I've done it quite a lot. I've also just made a pill with extracted DMT and THH mixed into a capsule and it works just fine as well.
Pharma and aya have given me my best psychedelic experiences so far. Miles beyond any high dose of shrooms or L. But I've also had experiences I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. Good luck!
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It supposedly will work as you say, but I've always converted it to a salt. You can get a bag of fumaric acid for less than $20 and it will last you a lifetime of DMT conversions. Once you have that it only takes like 30 minutes to do the conversion.
The advantages of it already being in salt form is that your stomach will be able to use it right away, so it may come on quicker and with less nausea. Letting your stomach acids convert the freebase could make a more unpredictable come-up with more nausea and more product loss as some of it is destroyed before being converted.
You could also just put the freebase in a glass of orange juice or a likewise acidic drink. Then give it like 20-30 minutes to convert to salt form before drinking. But IME even after a half hour I've been able to see undissolved freebase in the glass of my juice, so it doesn't seem to work as well as the fumaric acid which is an instantaneous reaction.
DMT Fumarate is also the only salt form which can be dried and stored as a crystal. It's really nice to be able to convert 10 pharmahuasca doses at once and just save them in capsules for when you want it. DMT fumarate is even more stable than the freebase crystal and will store for a long time.
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natedawgnow
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Re: Pharmahuasca? [Re: Icon]
#21933793 - 07/12/15 02:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ya agreed, I've just always stuck with the concentrated lemon juice method and it works wonders every time. I only do pharma or aya once a year nowadays, which is definitely more than enough!
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Re: Pharmahuasca? [Re: Icon]
#21934034 - 07/12/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Icon said: You could also just put the freebase in a glass of orange juice or a likewise acidic drink. Then give it like 20-30 minutes to convert to salt form before drinking. But IME even after a half hour I've been able to see undissolved freebase in the glass of my juice, so it doesn't seem to work as well as the fumaric acid which is an instantaneous reaction.
Dude, OJ isn't acidic enough. You need to add vinegar or citric acid to water, making the water as acidic as necessary.
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Re: Pharmahuasca? [Re: s240779]
#21935191 - 07/12/15 09:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've tried with citric acid as well and did pH tests at the time to make sure it was acidic enough. But never got the results I wanted. After making the fumarate I'd never go back.
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lfds2pid
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Re: Pharmahuasca? [Re: Icon]
#21935486 - 07/12/15 10:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wouldn't the salt exist as ionized species in aqueous solution, anyway? Is dissolving crystals of the salt in the gastric contents actually faster than deprotonation of the freebase?
I would be interested to see a side-by-side test of dissolution rates of the various salts of DMT and DMT freebase in ~0.1M HCL(aq) at a constant temperature and with a prescribed method of agitation, to test whether Icon's theory holds true with more rigorous tests than the anecdotal report provided.
If anybody has supplies for the test, they should do it. It's not like it's going to destroy the DMT to dissolve it in acidic water.
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Re: Pharmahuasca? [Re: lfds2pid]
#21935601 - 07/12/15 11:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dunno how to answer your question. Just sprinkled 10mg in a tsp of vinegar though and it did completely dissolve after about a minute of agitating. So that could work if you don't mind drinking vinegar... But yea, no idea how the different acids react once in the stomach. I'd still prefer to take a dried capsule of fumarate crystals that have been washed of excess acid.
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