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Best % Alcohol For Cactus Powder Extraction?
    #21933258 - 07/12/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yet another question for which I can find no definite answer.

I'm wanting to try an alcohol extraction on some San Pedro powder but have read the % of alcohol actually makes a difference.  Now I don't know if it's true or not but I found several posts saying that if you use a lower alcohol with a little water in it actually extracts more alkaloids and you get a better experience, can anyone else confirm this?

What alcohol would people recommend? Could I just get 99% ad add a little water or?


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Re: Best % Alcohol For Cactus Powder Extraction? [Re: sarahnya]
    #21933286 - 07/12/15 12:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I like around 30 percent just because any more is a waste of ever clear. Plus if you use alcohol and water you get the full spectrumof alkaloids. extract and tea together. Filter it well!!


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Re: Best % Alcohol For Cactus Powder Extraction? [Re: impatientguy]
    #21933296 - 07/12/15 12:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Get ever clear and remove the core and wax of the cactus

it takes a while but your end product will be very potent


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Re: Best % Alcohol For Cactus Powder Extraction? [Re: impatientguy]
    #21933301 - 07/12/15 12:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Best % Alcohol For Cactus Powder Extraction? [Re: impatientguy]
    #21933309 - 07/12/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

30% alcohol or water?

What do you use for a filter?  Can I use a cheesecloth?


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Re: Best % Alcohol For Cactus Powder Extraction? [Re: impatientguy]
    #21933317 - 07/12/15 12:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I've purchased powdered San Pedro and Dried P Torch chips so I guess the preparation bit has already been done.

I do have 5 30cm cuttings (3 SP 2 Bridgesii) on the way too but I'm tempted to plant those and let em grow for now.


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Re: Best % Alcohol For Cactus Powder Extraction? [Re: sarahnya]
    #21933327 - 07/12/15 12:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

A clean white t shirt is what I use when I have a lot to filter and I use around 20-30%everclear


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Re: Best % Alcohol For Cactus Powder Extraction? [Re: sarahnya]
    #21933332 - 07/12/15 12:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Balls.  Apparently Everclear isn't legal in the UK?  http://www.quora.com/Is-it-possible-to-buy-Everclear-in-the-UK


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Re: Best % Alcohol For Cactus Powder Extraction? [Re: sarahnya]
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Re: Best % Alcohol For Cactus Powder Extraction? [Re: sarahnya]
    #21933369 - 07/12/15 12:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah that should work but you will have to make sure it's completely dry so you don't ingest any iso. You can drink everclear. But if you can't get it than iso will work too.


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Re: Best % Alcohol For Cactus Powder Extraction? [Re: impatientguy]
    #21933406 - 07/12/15 12:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Hmm I'd rather something edible too though, what else can I use?

I looked up Bacardi 151 but it was £65 a bottle!


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Re: Best % Alcohol For Cactus Powder Extraction? [Re: sarahnya]
    #21933416 - 07/12/15 12:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Haha well even vodka would work  since you planned on diluting the everclear anyway. But it might leave some impurities behind so vodka work work if ya want crystals. But it will give you a crude extract.


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Re: Best % Alcohol For Cactus Powder Extraction? [Re: impatientguy]
    #21933422 - 07/12/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Sorry I meant vodka won't work if ya want crysals but it will leave you a pretty good crude extract


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Re: Best % Alcohol For Cactus Powder Extraction? [Re: impatientguy]
    #21933560 - 07/12/15 01:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Ah no I want all the alkaloids present. I was just gonna dry it as much as poss, roll it in flour to make little pills and down em.


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Re: Best % Alcohol For Cactus Powder Extraction? [Re: sarahnya]
    #21933564 - 07/12/15 01:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Vodka sounds ideal for you then haha


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Re: Best % Alcohol For Cactus Powder Extraction? [Re: sarahnya]
    #21933593 - 07/12/15 01:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

FWIW, you could just do a water extract and evaporate it to a tar. The alkaloids are readily soluble in water.


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Re: Best % Alcohol For Cactus Powder Extraction? [Re: impatientguy]
    #21933597 - 07/12/15 01:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Is the rest of the content in it water then?  I'm gonna have to goto the liquor store, they are gonna think I'm a piss head.


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Re: Best % Alcohol For Cactus Powder Extraction? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #21933599 - 07/12/15 01:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Add a splash of vinegar per boil to help make the alkaloids more soluable in water if you use the water route


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Re: Best % Alcohol For Cactus Powder Extraction? [Re: impatientguy]
    #21933601 - 07/12/15 01:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, vinegar or citric acid or HCl...


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Re: Best % Alcohol For Cactus Powder Extraction? [Re: impatientguy]
    #21933603 - 07/12/15 01:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah vodka doesn't have much in it but water and alcohol. But it has a little residue I'd imagine.


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Re: Best % Alcohol For Cactus Powder Extraction? [Re: sarahnya]
    #21933607 - 07/12/15 01:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Does water work as well?  I would have thought a mix would work a bit better.


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Re: Best % Alcohol For Cactus Powder Extraction? [Re: sarahnya]
    #21933616 - 07/12/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think the jury is still out on if one is better than the other.


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Re: Best % Alcohol For Cactus Powder Extraction? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #21933620 - 07/12/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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FWIW, you could just do a water extract and evaporate it to a tar. The alkaloids are readily soluble in water.



This..  But don't take it to tar, take it down to a shot or two of drink.  It'll get in you quicker..


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Re: Best % Alcohol For Cactus Powder Extraction? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #21933622 - 07/12/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Agreed. I just use both a little acidic water and a splash of everclear. I figure I'm getting the full spectrum that way.


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Re: Best % Alcohol For Cactus Powder Extraction? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #21933642 - 07/12/15 01:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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FWIW, you could just do a water extract and evaporate it to a tar. The alkaloids are readily soluble in water.




One big difference between alcohol and water extractions is that when extracting with alcohol the powder does not expand by volume. This makes it a hell lot easier to handle.


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Re: Best % Alcohol For Cactus Powder Extraction? [Re: Amanita86]
    #21933650 - 07/12/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Oh god I really don't wanna drink concentrated cactus, I think I'd rather have tea lol


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Re: Best % Alcohol For Cactus Powder Extraction? [Re: sarahnya]
    #21933655 - 07/12/15 02:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You don't want to drink anything like that trust me dry it scrape it and put it in capsules


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Re: Best % Alcohol For Cactus Powder Extraction? [Re: Dr. Delban]
    #21933673 - 07/12/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Does  it still expand if you use a water/alcohol mix?

Will regular vodka be enough, I'm finding it hard to find a higher %.

Is there any other safe alcohol or is it OK to use the other stuff if I give it long enough to evap?


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Re: Best % Alcohol For Cactus Powder Extraction? [Re: sarahnya]
    #21933678 - 07/12/15 02:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Vodka diluted to about 30% and some acid mixed in will be a wonder solvent for your cactus


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    #21933682 - 07/12/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Iso is fine if fully evaporated


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Re: Best % Alcohol For Cactus Powder Extraction? [Re: sarahnya]
    #21933692 - 07/12/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Oh god I really don't wanna drink concentrated cactus, I think I'd rather have tea lol



That's what I'm saying, tea.  1 and done..  The smell's gonna trip you up more than the taste will.


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Re: Best % Alcohol For Cactus Powder Extraction? [Re: Amanita86]
    #21933709 - 07/12/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

IMO it just tastes to bad to do that if you dry it out you can just eat like ten to 20 little balls or like 10  00 capsules


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Re: Best % Alcohol For Cactus Powder Extraction? [Re: impatientguy]
    #21933724 - 07/12/15 02:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah little balls sound great lol

So regular vodka 30% plus  70% water and a dash of lime?

Just looking for a good full spectrum extraction here :smile:

Close as tea without drinking snot, although I do intend to try the snot when my cuttings have gotten bigger.


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    #21933736 - 07/12/15 02:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yes but I would just use some distilled vinegar. Lime juice will work though


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    #21933740 - 07/12/15 02:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Just for the future, if you want to try the tea.. if you slice up the cactus and boil it fresh it doesn't make snot.  Check out the traditional preparations.  It's not snot, it's a tinted liquid.  And it takes about 2 swallows to "get there".. 

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Re: Best % Alcohol For Cactus Powder Extraction? [Re: sarahnya]
    #21933753 - 07/12/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Is rubbing alcohol ok?


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    #21933761 - 07/12/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Just for the future, if you want to try the tea.. if you slice up the cactus and boil it fresh it doesn't make snot.  Check out the traditional preparations.  It's not snot, it's a tinted liquid.  And it takes about 2 swallows to "get there".. 

Just for future reference :thumbup:




I'm glad you said this as thats just the way I was thinking of making the tea :smile:

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    #21933768 - 07/12/15 02:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Iso is rubbing alcohol :thumbup:


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    #21933770 - 07/12/15 02:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You'll be able to tell when your chunks are spent.  Keep them in one pot simmering, and dump those washes into another set just enough to steam.  You can hold it up to light and see through it when you're done and you can use a callendar as a strainer, no shirt needed..


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    #21933784 - 07/12/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Does  it still expand if you use a water/alcohol mix?

Will regular vodka be enough, I'm finding it hard to find a higher %.

Is there any other safe alcohol or is it OK to use the other stuff if I give it long enough to evap?




Go to polish shop or speak to some polish people if you know any. Ask them about 95% imported ethanol for liquor production, they should be able to get you 500ml for £10-20. I used it for all of my extr. until now that I'm testing this 99% rocket fuel from *bay


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    #21933818 - 07/12/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks loads.  I take it that it does the trick then. Do you prep with acid too..?


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    #21933840 - 07/12/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Does  it still expand if you use a water/alcohol mix?

Will regular vodka be enough, I'm finding it hard to find a higher %.

Is there any other safe alcohol or is it OK to use the other stuff if I give it long enough to evap?




Go to polish shop or speak to some polish people if you know any. Ask them about 95% imported ethanol for liquor production, they should be able to get you 500ml for £10-20. I used it for all of my extr. until now that I'm testing this 99% rocket fuel from *bay




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    #21933858 - 07/12/15 03:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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    #21933867 - 07/12/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I bet it tastes just great!

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    #21935919 - 07/13/15 02:09 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Just showing off... This is over 2cm deep



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    #21936000 - 07/13/15 03:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Nice.

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    #21936396 - 07/13/15 08:36 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Just showing off... This is over 2cm deep






Nice.

What kind of dosage from S Pedro, P. Torch and bridgesii dry powder should I be going for?  I want a decent trip but not my head blown off!




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    #21936405 - 07/13/15 08:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Best % Alcohol For Cactus Powder Extraction? [Re: Dr. Delban]
    #21936978 - 07/13/15 11:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Have you tried mescaline or cacti in any form in the past?




Nope just Shrooms, Ayahuasca and Salvia.

Everything I've read about the cactus sounds good though, right up my street so to speak.


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    #21936994 - 07/13/15 11:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Looks fantastic, I'm jealous!

I so can't wait to try it out for myself, I'm excited like a kid lol


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Re: Best % Alcohol For Cactus Powder Extraction? [Re: sarahnya]
    #21937465 - 07/13/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The first time I tried ethanol tar I used 50g of powder, then next time I did 100g. Try 50g first but to be honest, cacti potency varies much.


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    #21937480 - 07/13/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Hmm could I perhaps prepare 100g. But take 50 if after 2 hours not much is happening, take another 50g?


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    #21937633 - 07/13/15 02:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yes but wait 4 hours.


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    #21969203 - 07/20/15 05:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Right I've got a big bottle of alcohol ready to go. I'm just waiting on my powder. 

Just want to know how much water and vodka to add per 50g dry pedro powder.

Also what's the best way of separating it, does anyone have any one by links to a really good tek etc that definitely works.

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Re: Best % Alcohol For Cactus Powder Extraction? [Re: sarahnya]
    #21970022 - 07/20/15 09:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I just tried an extraction with nothing but water with a splash of vinegar added per pull and I ended up with a much cleaner product overall than when I use the Everclear and water. Just thought I should post my results, also I only did two pulls but my pedro skins were dewaxed and powdered. I think blending it when it's wet or powdering it when it's dry(before you boil it) releases the actives in fewer pulls  when getting your crude extract.


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    #21970254 - 07/20/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I just tried an extraction with nothing but water with a splash of vinegar added per pull and I ended up with a much cleaner product overall than when I use the Everclear and water. Just thought I should post my results, also I only did two pulls but my pedro skins were dewaxed and powdered. I think blending it when it's wet or powdering it when it's dry(before you boil it) releases the actives in fewer pulls  when getting your crude extract.




That's really interesting. Could to let me know if it turns out to be more potent?  It's just I would have thought a water alcohol mix would have been better.


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Re: Best % Alcohol For Cactus Powder Extraction? [Re: sarahnya]
    #21970825 - 07/20/15 01:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Using water will make it swell too much. Alcohol is better. Just let it settle and then pour the liquid off or use a large syringe to pull the liquid.


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    #21973791 - 07/21/15 12:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Used some to make an acetate and so far I've pulled 2 g of acetate from 2 pulls and I only had 55 g of the crude extract to start. I'll still probably try for another pull or 2.
Since the water pulls very little oil (without the everclear) the acetate/citrate/hcl you get is pretty clean IMO. If I had to guess I'd say about 10-15g would be a good starting dose for the crude extract made with the vinager water boil.  Sorry if this was hard to follow I'm pretty buzzed amt.


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    #21983497 - 07/23/15 07:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I just tried an extraction with nothing but water with a splash of vinegar added per pull and I ended up with a much cleaner product overall than when I use the Everclear and water. Just thought I should post my results, also I only did two pulls but my pedro skins were dewaxed and powdered. I think blending it when it's wet or powdering it when it's dry(before you boil it) releases the actives in fewer pulls  when getting your crude extract.




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Re: Best % Alcohol For Cactus Powder Extraction? [Re: sarahnya]
    #21983502 - 07/23/15 07:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Right, I've received my sp powder today.

So I've got 2 jars with 60g powder in each. I've put a mix of vodka, lemon and water in one and lemon juice and water in the other to see how things turn out. 

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Re: Best % Alcohol For Cactus Powder Extraction? [Re: sarahnya]
    #21983660 - 07/23/15 08:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If it's powdered id say yes.3 plus should do it And I did trip once from it but that's all I've had time for so far haha. It's potent


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    #21983661 - 07/23/15 08:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

*3 pulls should do it


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    #21983693 - 07/23/15 09:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

How much did you use and how many days did you do each pull over?


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    #21983701 - 07/23/15 09:09 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

For the water acid extract I just added my powdered cactus to the water and dropped in around a quarter cup of vinegar and boiled for like 45 mins the next pull I did for 30 and the last I only did like 10 mins because the biter Ness and color stopped leaching from the cactus. I add a splash of vinegar per pull. Makes the alkaloids more water soluable.


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    #21983713 - 07/23/15 09:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I use enough water to make the cactus flow around like thick water/just enough to cover it. Make sure it doesn't run out of water and burn in the pan.


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    #21983871 - 07/23/15 09:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If I'm on low slow cooking, should I cook longer ?

Also my jars with the alcohol and powder in have expanded massively and now fill the whole jar. Have I done something wrong ?


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    #21983912 - 07/23/15 10:03 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yep but would just boil it vigorously  for a while each pull. mescaline is VERY heat stable and won't break down at the temp that water boils, 212° F, so as long as there is water in the pan to take the heat it won't ever get above 220 and you mesc will be potent


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    #21983927 - 07/23/15 10:09 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

And if you boil it you can do it all in one day having it scraped up and weighed and all in one day. 


I would say it's the cactus absorbing the water and alcohol. And as long as you do a second pull you get all of the stuff trapped in the cactus from the first pull anyways.  But if your not boiling the mixture it's best to let it sit a few days to fully extract and break down the cactus.

That's why I just do it on the stove top, it's just so fast that way lol


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    #21983987 - 07/23/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah I'm actually doing both at the same time cus hey you gotta try everything once lol

My problem is the cactus in the alcohol has expanded so much it's almost filled the jar, will it separate if I leave it be?


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    #21984008 - 07/23/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Probably not but if you do a second pull you will get any leftover residual from the first.  If you do a third pull you'll get the residuals from the second pull so just at least do 3 pulls


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    #21984048 - 07/23/15 10:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

How do I do the first pull when I can't get it to separate, this is the cold water and alcohol btw. It's getting confusing now talking about tea one minute and jars the next.


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    #21984076 - 07/23/15 10:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Haha I get ya.  You'll just have to get what liquid you can from the first pull. I squeeze mine through a t shirt and most of the pulp will drain. Then you do the second pull.


I use the shirt method whether I'm doing jars or tea. Just because a shirt can be squeezed so hard without ripping.  I'll even take that crudely filtered liquid and fine filter it with a paper towel draped over a spaghetti strainer or other similar strainer item


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    #21984086 - 07/23/15 11:00 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Ah ok I was thinking dark material would form on top and I'd use a syringe to get it off.

No worries ill use a damp cheesecloth and a bigger jar for the next pull!


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    #21984795 - 07/23/15 01:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Right, I must be doing something wrong.

I just added a load of water to the slow cooker to make it runny again and tried straining it through a cheesecloth and a t shirt.  Everything went through the cheesecloth, powder, water the lot.  With the t shirt it just sits on top not draining through.  When I squeezed it the powder and cactus snot all went through the t shirt.

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    #21985188 - 07/23/15 02:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Hmm well the swelling problem with the jars is obviously too much water.  If I use 70 % running alcohol is it still likely to swell up as much?


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    #21988004 - 07/24/15 12:30 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yes it will still swell. If the t shirt isn't working then Idk what to do man. If you get it in a ball in the t shirt the goodies should be able to be wrung out of the pulp. It's always worked for me this way.  And it will have a snotty consistentsy but you should still catch a lot of fiber and stuff with shirt, reducing the amount needed to consume.


I've only done this with san pedro so I'm not sure about the torch chips. It should work the same though.


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    #21988043 - 07/24/15 12:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm gonna get a new tea shirt and double it up, what was happening before is that I was squeezing so hard it was pushing powder through the shirt.  Shame it's not course ground really.

Impatient, dud you filter your cold water and alcohol extraction jars the same way and how long did you you leave the material in there each time before straining ?


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    #21988076 - 07/24/15 12:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I've always alplied heat to my cactus extracts. Sorry if I made it sound any differently. But when I did the alcohol water boil and when I did the vinegar and water boil I did pulls of around 1 hour for the first, while boiling well, 30 mins for the second and maybe 20 mins for the third.        I'm sorry I even brought up the alcohol originally lol I was still experimenting myself with the best way to extract. I think heat and a splash of vinegar gives the cleaner product out of the two extraction methods.



I'm on mescaline atm so I'm sorry if this didn't make enough sense hahaha.  I find it much more recreational than mushrooms.


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    #21988237 - 07/24/15 01:34 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

lol take it easy, you don't wanna overdo it :tongue:

Ah well at least I'll know how to do the tea.  It's just filtering the damn stuff, it's so fine and snotty.  Ayahuasca was so much easier.

Has anyone any idea how to filter my jars, it just will not separate and looks like cactus porridge...


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    #21988354 - 07/24/15 02:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Try using paper towels not duble layered(it'll only make it slower) in a spaghetti strainer. It will take hours but if you go to bed once its set up it'll be done in the morning is my guess


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    #21988361 - 07/24/15 02:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Haha and I appreciate your concern for my wellbeing
honesty I'll probably be doing mesc like twice a month from now on.
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    #21988369 - 07/24/15 02:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I dunno how you find time, I need at least a couple of days off work to trip.  Especially if it lasts over 12 hours lol

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    #21988383 - 07/24/15 02:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Haha feels super warm and toasty so whenever I get the chance I take it haha
its very positive with an abundance of energy from my core. I even feel somewhat drunk.  I really want to fuck some fine ass hunnies to be completely honest!:wink:


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    #21988386 - 07/24/15 02:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

And I wish I could help you out with your extract. Lol feels like that's all I been doing lately is extractin stuff. But... I really like it I'm good at it too! Love me some good everclear shatter:crazy2:


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    #21988418 - 07/24/15 02:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Couldn't you just cut up fresh cacti into very thin slices, put that in a mix of distilled white vinegar and water, boil for a while, filter through a white tshirt and then boil that down and then put this concentrated alkaloid liquid onto glass plates or something and put those in a food dehydrator until it's fully evaporated, then scrape up the presumably crude alkaloids and clean with either mek or acetone to get pure mescaline, if desired? Hmm


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    #21988437 - 07/24/15 03:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That would work alright Haha.the thinner the better. I remove all of the core and wax and then do my vinegar water boil on that product to get a very nice product overall. It is a bit time consuming.  But maybe I'll try it just by slicing it thin and vinager water boiling it 3 times this upcoming extraction. Sounds a lot less time consuming to be honest


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    #21988446 - 07/24/15 03:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I like to take that crude extract and make mesc acetate. Easier dosing IMO also its only one capsule that way instead of ten lol swollowing those things make me feel sickish.and full. :sad:

:laugh: then I get super loaded from it and feel better again.    I have yet to vomit from any san pedro mixture or alkaloids.  But I did feel a little queezy tonight taking .3 of acetate 
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    #21988512 - 07/24/15 04:36 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well just an update. Decanting helped a lot, I just left the crudely filtered cactus in a glass jug until the crud went to the bottom and then pulled off the top layer and shoved the crud back in the slow cooker.

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    #21988522 - 07/24/15 04:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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    #21988535 - 07/24/15 04:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

About the dehydrator.  How can I actually get this fluid in there when I'm wanting to reduce to resin. The trays are too shallow for a cup.

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Re: Best % Alcohol For Cactus Powder Extraction? [Re: sarahnya]
    #21989985 - 07/24/15 12:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I don't use one. I just put it on the stove top at a boil and then I reduce the heat to the LOWEST setting when it starts to get thick so it doesn't burn. But if ya want just put it in a deep dinner plate and pop it in the dehydrator


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Re: Best % Alcohol For Cactus Powder Extraction? [Re: impatientguy]
    #22678234 - 12/20/15 02:47 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Just to update, Polish shops in the UK do indeed sell spirits with crazy high levels of alcohol (90% +).

I'll be trying again this spring.


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