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Flushroom
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Starting my first grow soon
#21932012 - 07/12/15 03:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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All right, so I've already bought and made almost all the equipment I'm going to need for my first grow, now I'm just waiting for the spore print (Brazilian cube) to arrive and looking for some big plastic boxes and a submersible aquarium temperature regulator to make a fruiting chamber 
Here's what I got so far:
-20 wide mouthed cups -Foil (to cover cups) -Pressure cooker (to sterilize stuff) -DIY glove box (to make spore syringe and to inoculate cups with substrate) -DIY alcohol lamp (to sterilize syringe tip (wont be used in glove box)) -Syringes -Vermiculite (for substrate and roll) -Brown rice (will grind into flour(for substrate)) -Gypsum (for substrate) -Rye (for substrate) -Horse poop (for substrate) -Cow poop (for substrate) -Perlite (for fruiting chamber flooring/bedding (you get what I mean))
Now, I understand that because this is my first grow I should just stick to the tek I chose, but I like to experiment, so here my plan:
Verm, BRF (2 (cakes) (1 (with gypsum)- 1(without gypsum)) Rye, Horse poop (2(1-1)) Rye, Cow poop (2(1-1)) Rye, Horse poop, BRF (2(1-1)) Rye, Cow poop, BRF (2(1-1)) Rye, Horse poop, Verm (2(1-1)) Rye, Cow poop, Verm (2(1-1)) Rye, Horse poop, Verm, BRF (2(1-1)) Rye, Cow poop, Verm, BRF (2(1-1)) Rye, Horse poop, Cow poop, Verm, BRF (2(1-1))
The point of this is to see what the mushrooms will grow better on. I will be dunking and rolling them and dunking in between flushes. They will be kept in a temperature controlled fruiting chamber like the one shown in the pf tek for simple minds.
If I'm missing something please point it out, If any one thinks I should just pick one substrate mix and stick with it, let me know,
Flushroom.
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shroomyaxn



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Re: Starting my first grow soon [Re: Flushroom]
#21942170 - 07/14/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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So it sounds like you will be making cakes and putting them into a SGFC, correct?
If so, the items below could be used for a bulk grow, like a mono-tub.
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Flushroom said: -Rye (for substrate) -Horse poop (for substrate) -Cow poop (for substrate)
Also, the rye is technically referred to as a spawn. It will be spawned to your pasteurized substrate.
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OPB
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Re: Starting my first grow soon [Re: shroomyaxn]
#21942493 - 07/14/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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It sounds like you have a great grasp on this but I have to say. You should pick one simple tek, do it successfully a handful of times, and then conduct your tests. You don't want your findings to be the result of mistakes you made in a process you haven't fully mastered. Just a suggestion from a scientist who's bitten off more than he could chew in the past.
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Re: Starting my first grow soon [Re: OPB]
#21942564 - 07/14/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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OPB said: It sounds like you have a great grasp on this but I have to say. You should pick one simple tek, do it successfully a handful of times, and then conduct your tests. You don't want your findings to be the result of mistakes you made in a process you haven't fully mastered. Just a suggestion from a scientist who's bitten off more than he could chew in the past.
I agree. Haven't heard of people putting gypsum into PFTek cakes before- I'd run them with out it IMO, it's used more for bulking. But yes, do some cakes first, then since you already have a bunch of spawn and sub, go to bulk. But I'd still recommend starting with cakes so you get a feel for how they grow and react to things before you accidentally waste a bunch of material. Find some Teks, follow them exactly, and enjoy.
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spacechildo
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You have a PC so just go for it man!
I'm concerned about the temp controlled fruiting chamber you speak of. the fungifun tek shows an incubator, a place to keep your jars warm while they are colonizing if your house is freezing cold.
dont heat a FC, just heat a room (if needed). Its pretty hot in Ukraine these days I hear...
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Flushroom
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Re: Starting my first grow soon [Re: shroomyaxn]
#21971152 - 07/20/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I read a bit about growing in bulk (not enough tho), will the yield be greater than a cake grow? Is it easier to take care of them when they're being grown in bulk?
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Flushroom
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Re: Starting my first grow soon [Re: OPB]
#21971172 - 07/20/15 03:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think I will, I read a bit more about first grows and it sounds like new growers screw up quite often. I'll probably end up doing a tek that uses rye and horse poop.
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Flushroom
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Re: Starting my first grow soon [Re: spacechildo]
#21971212 - 07/20/15 03:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wouldn't the mushrooms grow better at the ideal growing temperature? Or would there be no difference between that and room temperature? Also, if I end up growing in the winter I'll be using it, gets pretty cold out here.
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spacechildo
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Re: Starting my first grow soon [Re: Flushroom]
#21971691 - 07/20/15 05:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Flushroom said: I read a bit about growing in bulk (not enough tho), will the yield be greater than a cake grow? Is it easier to take care of them when they're being grown in bulk?
yes yes and yes.
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Flushroom said: I think I will, I read a bit more about first grows and it sounds like new growers screw up quite often. I'll probably end up doing a tek that uses rye and horse poop.
yes, yes, and horse poop needs to be properly pasteurized (another thing to screw up if you're new)
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Flushroom said: Wouldn't the mushrooms grow better at the ideal growing temperature? Or would there be no difference between that and room temperature? Also, if I end up growing in the winter I'll be using it, gets pretty cold out here.
they grow faster in hotter temps but often get more dense and fatter if grown in colder temps. if its cold, heat the room not the chamber.
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Machiavelliavore
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Re: Starting my first grow soon [Re: Flushroom]
#21971806 - 07/20/15 05:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Like others, I think you're attempting way too much.
The gypsum experiment: Because you're growing multispore, you probably won't be able to tell whether your results are gypsum related. That basically rules out an individual comparison. As far as comparing the two groups, you might get some vague sense, but again, it could be random variation, and as random parts of your project fail, it will become harder to compare to equivalent groups.
It's just gypsum. It's cheap. It likely doesn't have colossal effects. If you have it, use it. If you don't, then get some or don't use it.
I think there is a lack of understanding of the substrate dynamics on your part.
PF substrate is pieces of hydrated vermiculite coated in flour. One could call it breaded vermiculite. This prevents globs of gooey flour which the mycellium would have difficulty penetrating from forming. Flour is rarely used as a primary source of nutrition without vermiculite because it's hard to get good texture using it without real objects to coat.
With something like Rye and Shit, the rye has most of the nutrition concentrated mostly where the rye grains are. Pre-combining and sterilizing such a substrate is somewhat akin to Muda's tek.
The reason PF cakes and straight grains are the two typical mediums to receive spore syringe incolation is that there are nutrients everywhere the spores could conceivably germinate. In a pre-sterilized bulk substrate, this is not nearly as much the case, which is why Muda uses Liquid Inoculant. While a spore inoculation could work, it will probably be slow, since most of the mycellium will have to colonize its way through shit to get to the real metabolic power source, rye.
Poo added to PF cakes is usually done to get Pan species to fruit, though it may be a nice additive for cakes. Can't say, don't know.
Oh also, tracking ALL that data is time consuming and tiring. Focus on nailing your fruiting conditions.
Personally I would try PF cakes with some gypsum and shit added.
Then try some jars of rye spawn with gypsum, and spawn to pasturized shit + verm.
If I'm wrong on any of this info, feel free to correct me.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
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Flushroom
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So, I shouldn't go for a rye and horse poop mix? My impresion was that poop had some helpful nutrients in it, or something like that. If I do try to do PF tek with added gypsum and poop, how much poop should I use per cake (240ml cup)?
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Re: Starting my first grow soon [Re: Flushroom]
#21978842 - 07/22/15 03:36 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mad Season
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Re: Starting my first grow soon [Re: spacechildo]
#21978851 - 07/22/15 03:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: You have a PC so just go for it man!
I'm concerned about the temp controlled fruiting chamber you speak of. the fungifun tek shows an incubator, a place to keep your jars warm while they are colonizing if your house is freezing cold.
This. Also try a monotub. Also yeah you'll have to do proper pasteurization with manure. People may tell you not to do it, but I started with manure. Used a variant of Franks teks. It was successful too, you'll get a couple ounces too 
Here's Franks list. Best list ever. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17897163
Edited by Mad Season (07/22/15 03:45 AM)
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Flushroom
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Re: Starting my first grow soon [Re: Mad Season]
#21983105 - 07/23/15 03:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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All right, so I read a few of Franks articles, read about pasteurization, and decided not to go with poop this time around. I have decided to go with a modified pf tek (pf tek but with gypsum and a bit of coffee). I'll do that a few times, and when I get the hang of all the sterilization procedures and such, I'll try a bulk grow (inoculate jars with rye, spawn to poop, verm, coir).
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Machiavelliavore
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Re: Starting my first grow soon [Re: Flushroom]
#21984661 - 07/23/15 01:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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To be honest there's not much to get the hang of in terms of sterilizing. Flaming a needle and properly operating a pressure cooker?
But since you have all the PF tek stuff and don't have any mason jars for grain, might as well do it.
If you want to find a PF tek that uses poo, look up PF Tek for panaeolus cyanescens (pan cyan.) They should still be fine for cubes, though I don't know if there's an actually point to doing it.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
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