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Re: Man aminitas are so much better than psilos but you need to get the right ones [Re: drr]
    #21933629 - 07/12/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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If you  don't care what Terence McKenna has to say then you obviously haven't watched this yet




I didn't mean to say I don't care what McKenna said. I just don't like the way some people say a drug doesn't work and then quickly refer to someone else's propositions.
If a person has no success with a specific drug then it's not the drug to blame, imo.

There is scientific evidence that muscimol is a psychoactive drug and it's been used as such for thousands of years.

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Re: Man aminitas are so much better than psilos but you need to get the right ones [Re: Amanita86]
    #21933646 - 07/12/15 01:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Haha to each his own I say. Like I said before if you like them I feel happy for you.


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Re: Man aminitas are so much better than psilos but you need to get the right ones [Re: Pandemoon] * 1
    #21933817 - 07/12/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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If you  don't care what Terence McKenna has to say then you obviously haven't watched this yet




I didn't mean to say I don't care what McKenna said. I just don't like the way some people say a drug doesn't work and then quickly refer to someone else's propositions.
If a person has no success with a specific drug then it's not the drug to blame, imo.

There is scientific evidence that muscimol is a psychoactive drug and it's been used as such for thousands of years.

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LOL No worries man I was being sarcastic

I think its funny how people cling to the guy's words regarding psychedelics. I think he's interesting at best.

Also, I agree with you. The guy that says it has no effect is being stubborn. Anecdotal evidence oh the whole is the opposite of his experience, it would be stupid to assume that everybody else is wrong just because you try a drug a couple times and it doesn't work for you.


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Re: Man aminitas are so much better than psilos but you need to get the right ones [Re: impatientguy]
    #21933824 - 07/12/15 02:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You've tried them dried and fresh. Have you ever tried them slightly cooked? This is supposedly the only way to truly experience them.
Supposedly slightly cooking them converts ibotenic acid to muscimol, intensifying the experience. 
Of course this is just things that I've read, not actual experience. Just my two cents, though.


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Re: Man aminitas are so much better than psilos but you need to get the right ones [Re: natedawgnow]
    #21933828 - 07/12/15 02:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

^^ What he said... That's why I asked if he cooked them before


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Re: Man aminitas are so much better than psilos but you need to get the right ones [Re: drr]
    #21933852 - 07/12/15 03:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Lol no it has never had an effect on me ever and I'm not clinging to Terrences words  I just think he knew his shit about mushrooms and was quite a reliable source of info on them. Most ppl who have tried them that I know (only two others) said the same thing I said and they got it from different vendors than me. And I tried a tincture from fresh ones with no effectsuccess so that's my experience with them I'm not trying to be stubborn like you said I'm just sharing my experience.


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Re: Man aminitas are so much better than psilos but you need to get the right ones [Re: impatientguy]
    #21933857 - 07/12/15 03:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Cooking them, from what I read, kills the actives and makes it edible just for calories


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Re: Man aminitas are so much better than psilos but you need to get the right ones [Re: impatientguy]
    #21933885 - 07/12/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

"Although classified as poisonous, reports of human deaths resulting from its ingestion are extremely rare. After parboiling—which weakens its toxicity and breaks down the mushroom's psychoactive substances—it is eaten in parts of Europe, Asia, and North America." Saw this on wiki it also said it was used by some tribes an an ethnogen so Idk I don't care for it personally


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Re: Man aminitas are so much better than psilos but you need to get the right ones [Re: impatientguy]
    #21933894 - 07/12/15 03:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

No bro, that's why I said lightly cooked, not scorched. Every preparation recommends heating it up slightly to convert the ibotenic acid.
Even the one in the shroomery about proper preparation of amanita:

"The ibotenic acid fraction is converted, via the refluxing in water, into muscimol. Inconsequential amounts of other alkaloids ARE present, but largely inactive mentally."


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Re: Man aminitas are so much better than psilos but you need to get the right ones [Re: jesuisravi]
    #21933896 - 07/12/15 03:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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i see why there are so many negative reports on aminitas. there are some that just cause bad trips. But when you get good ones, they are the most incredible entheogen in existence.




There is a guy who is somekind of shaman. He has based his life on hunting and ingesting amanitas. There is a video of him on Youtube eating a huge fresh amanita like a big mac. He holds seminars a workshops on the amanita and where to find it, identify it, prepare it. He is about 50 years old. Lately he has had to reduce his intake of his beloved mushroom because he is suffering from liver damage. Look him up. Maybe I am presenting him in a bad light.




Yeah I know that guy, Hawk is his name and I have been debating back and forth with myself over whether or not to buy his book for a while now. I would've bought it already except you can only pay by Western Union and I always forget to bring the payment info with me when I pass by Western Union.

However, I am a little weary of him. First off, he sounds very elitist to me. I read some of a debate between him and another aminita researcher on here and I felt like he is the type who just thinks his ideas are right no matter what and does not even address other peoples arguments in a fair manner.

Also, the other guy quoted a line from Hawk's book in which Hawk claims to have suffered eighteen overdoses, the last of which caused to lie on the ground having seizures, a massive heart attack and liver failure. He then asks,  does this sound like the sort of person you want to get your information from?

And I have to say, no, no it doesn't. Honestly, Hawk sounds like an aminita ADDICT To me. I mean, 18 overdoses? I could understand maybe having 5 overdoses, maybe even 6 or 7 pver the years but eighteen? Come on. Its hard for me to trust someone for spiritual knowledge who seems to value getting high on aminita more than his own life. But curiosity may still drive me to purchase the book.

Personally I am not worried about my liver because I figure if Hawk is still alive after all the aminita he has done, I will most likely be ok considering I use way, way less than he does and I don't find it necessary to take high doses. I am sure high doses would be amazing, but I seem able to get in touch with God on low doses too. Anyway, yeah crazy guy that Hawk fellow. His wife Venus is also a shaman, I dunno maybe she is less crazy. I would like to read the book.


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Re: Man aminitas are so much better than psilos but you need to get the right ones [Re: impatientguy]
    #21933933 - 07/12/15 03:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Lol IME there aren't ANY positive effects from the two actives in amanita mushrooms Terrence McKenna agrees haha




First of all, I would like to say that I am a HUGE Terrence Mckenna fan.

However, there are some things I think he was simply wrong about. For instance he didn't like mescaline either. THis is what he said about mescaline:

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"To my mind, the psychedelics can be chemically defined, with very few exceptions, as indoles. Now the only exception to this is mescaline. Mescaline is not an indole. It's a phenylethylamine, or some people consider it a cyclicized amphetamine, which is a phenylethylamine. I am not fond of mescaline. It seems to me that to get to psychedelic levels with it, you have to take so much that you're fairly rattled. It's hard on you, and it's hard on you the next day. And many people who are great devotees of peyote, when you question them very closely, it isn't the quality of the visions. It's some more murky thing. It's that they like hanging out with Native Americans, they like drumming all night, they love ceremonies, they like going to the southwest, but it's not the quality of the visions. It's not that mescaline can't do that, it certainly can. If you read these early researchers, like Heinrich Cluvere, S. Weir Mitchell, Havloc Ellis, I mean, these are wonderful descriptions of full-on psychedelic states. But they were using pure mescaline, you know, and close to a gram a throw, which is a lot. Most people when they take pure mescaline, if you actually measure the amount that they're taking, they're taking well under what is clinically considered the effective dose. If you look in the Murke manual or the P.D.R., the clinically recommended dose of pure mescaline is 750 milligrams. Three quarters of a gram of alkaloid! Very few people actually take that." Terence Mckenna





He is right that mescaline is hard on you, but why does he think the experience is somehow less worthwhile if you don't have amazing visions? You can learn so much from mescaline and I greatly prefer it to mushrooms. Its my favorite psychedelic. You dont need to take insane doses to learn about yourself with mescaline either.

So I trust Terrence Mcknenna when it comes to typtamines but that's it.

Also another thing like I said at the beginning I have had aminitas from different sources. Some aminitas just give me unpleasant trips. If I had only tried those aminitas I would probably think aminitas sucked also. So its possible Terrence Mckenna just never tried good ones.


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Re: Man aminitas are so much better than psilos but you need to get the right ones [Re: drr]
    #21933959 - 07/12/15 03:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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LOL No worries man I was being sarcastic .. I think he's interesting at best. .. Also, I agree with you. ..




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Re: Man aminitas are so much better than psilos but you need to get the right ones [Re: Pandemoon]
    #21934120 - 07/12/15 04:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Like I said if you guys enjoy then then I'm happy for ya but I don't like them.


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Re: Man aminitas are so much better than psilos but you need to get the right ones [Re: impatientguy]
    #21934180 - 07/12/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe it's the connection to nature that makes them more spiritual?

Maybe if you seed some psilocybes in your favorite forest and trip there when you harvest you would get a very spiritual trip too?


Forest harvesting is always nice, forest tripping is even nicer

I don't really long for other mushrooms, there are plenty of psilocybes , many different kinds and maybe each with their own trip effect


The joy of growing your own food in nature and eating it
and the joy of growing your own mushrooms in nature?;-)


But maybe just maybe one day I might try an amanita (muscaria) if nature speaks to me / fall over one


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Re: Man aminitas are so much better than psilos but you need to get the right ones [Re: lessismore]
    #21934210 - 07/12/15 04:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yea psilocybin blows amanitas out of the water times 1000


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Re: Man aminitas are so much better than psilos but you need to get the right ones [Re: Sadburner]
    #21934864 - 07/12/15 07:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I you happen to find good amanitas, they can give you a nice and gentle delirant trip, although other times they can be very unpleasant... Wish there was an easy way to calculate dosages, but it is all trial n error...

Anyway I still prefer psylocibin though, tryptamines are the only kind of substance that allows me to go that deep in consciousness


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Re: Man aminitas are so much better than psilos but you need to get the right ones [Re: lessismore]
    #21934887 - 07/12/15 07:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Maybe it's the connection to nature that makes them more spiritual?

Maybe if you seed some psilocybes in your favorite forest and trip there when you harvest you would get a very spiritual trip too?


Forest harvesting is always nice, forest tripping is even nicer

I don't really long for other mushrooms, there are plenty of psilocybes , many different kinds and maybe each with their own trip effect


The joy of growing your own food in nature and eating it
and the joy of growing your own mushrooms in nature?;-)


But maybe just maybe one day I might try an amanita (muscaria) if nature speaks to me / fall over one





No it has nothing to do with that. I have very spiritual trips on psilocybin mushrooms also but they don't compare to aminita.

The fact of the matter is that Psilocybin mushroom are just another run of the mill psychedelic drug. I mean really, they aren't THAT different from DMT, mescaline, LSD, etc. If I had to give up psilocybin mushrooms forever, it would be no great loss for me. I would just trip on ayahuasca or mescaline instead. Aminita on the other hand are unique and irreplaceable.

You can take them every day. The effects are more predictable and controllable. One major problem with psilocybin is you cant control it. Lets say I want to feel like X so I take some psilocybin and instead of making me feel like X it makes me feel Y. You see? Every trip is different. Aminita is more manageable and less strenuous on the brain.

As Ive said elsewhere, psilocybin represents the expanding force and aminita represents the contracting force. You need both forces. So in that sense I see it as kind of silly to compare them. Each is good in its own way. But so many people on this site seem to want to come and say psilocybin is so much better so I feel the need to respond and say no it isnt..


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Re: Man aminitas are so much better than psilos but you need to get the right ones [Re: Deviate]
    #21934931 - 07/12/15 08:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I dont get all the amanita hype I personally am terrified of them. Thier closely related to a mushroom that literally gives me nightmares the amanita phalloides. Im not even joking it gives me nightmares because I hunt mushrooms and I have had dreams where I ID a cubensis and eat it only to find out its actually amanita phalloides. I can't see myslef eating a amanita muscaria because of the name. Amanita phalloides is a horrible way to die they're the kind of thing a mushroom hunter tells as a spooky campfire story.


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Re: Man aminitas are so much better than psilos but you need to get the right ones [Re: Deviate]
    #21934937 - 07/12/15 08:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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So in that sense I see it as kind of silly to compare them. Each is good in its own way. But so many people on this site seem to want to come and say psilocybin is so much better so I feel the need to respond and say no it isnt..




Interesting thread and interesting point, but considering your thread title, you've certainly contradicted yourself here.


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