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Invisiblejesuisravi
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Genetic Diversity and the taste of mushrooms
    #21930618 - 07/11/15 08:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I have been wonderstruck when reading mushroom trip reports over the years by how differently people describe the taste of psilocybin mushrooms. Some call them earthy, some say they taste like nuts, like old sweaty socks, like barf, etc. The descriptions fall into three broad categories, 1)good tasting, 2)bad tasting 3)so so tasting. I say wonderstruck because for me there is just no way these mushrooms fit in any categroy but the second and then the word "bad" needs to be replaced by  one of its superlatives, like horrible maybe, or dreadful, something like that. Lately, however I've come across a bit of information about a human type--scientifically proven to exist--called the "supertaster" that might make understandable how people can so differ about a subject that to me seems impossible to differ over. The supertaster--to quote form Wikipedia-- is a person who experiences the sense of taste with far greater intensity than average. Women are more likely to be supertasters, as are those from Asia, South America and Africa.[1] The cause of this heightened response is unknown, although it is thought to be related to the presence of the TAS2R38 gene, the ability to taste PROP and PTC, and at least in part, due to an increased number of fungiform papillae.[2] Any evolutionary advantage to supertasting is unclear. In some environments, heightened taste response, particularly to bitterness, would represent an important advantage in avoiding potentially toxic plant alkaloids. In other environments, increased response to bitterness may have limited the range of palatable foods. It may be a cause of picky eating, but picky eaters are not necessarily supertasters, and vice versa.( end quote) Supertasting is a genetically influenced phenomenon that predisposes persons endowed or cursed with it to avoid certain kinds of foods that the rest of the population finds  yummy or at least passibly edible. Among these food are--again I quote Wiki:Certain alcoholic beverages[15] (gins, tequilas, and hoppy beers)
Brassica oleracea cultivars (become very sulfurous, especially if overcooked)
Brussels sprouts[18][19][20]
Cabbage[18]
Kale[20]
Coffee[18]
Grapefruit juice[19]
Green tea[19]
Soy products[19]
Carbonated water[21]
Mushrooms
Anise and licorice
Lower-sodium foods[22 (end of quote)

So maybe the next time someone is tempted to say something, as Terence McKenna once did ("Some people can't stomach these mushrooms. I don't know what's up with that.") that he/she can't understand how people find mushrooms "yucky" when they taste just fine, or at least OK, to them, they can recall this Supertaster gene and feel the pain of those of us who might be saddled therewith--apparently about a quarter of the human population.


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Re: Genetic Diversity and the taste of mushrooms [Re: jesuisravi]
    #21930886 - 07/11/15 09:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I only like the taste when I'm shroomed.


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Re: Genetic Diversity and the taste of mushrooms [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #21932458 - 07/12/15 08:16 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I wish I could say the same, but my disgust with that psilocybin taste is unconditional.


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almost nothing important that ever happens to you happens because you engineer it. Destiny has no beeper; destiny always leans trenchcoated out of an alley with some sort of 'psst' that you usually can't even hear because you're in such a rush to or from something important you've tried to engineer. ”
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Re: Genetic Diversity and the taste of mushrooms [Re: jesuisravi]
    #21933224 - 07/12/15 12:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

To me they don't taste like any other mushroom that I have tasted. I would describe the taste as formidable.


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Re: Genetic Diversity and the taste of mushrooms [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #21941083 - 07/14/15 08:36 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

"formidable"? Isn't that French for "shitty"?


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almost nothing important that ever happens to you happens because you engineer it. Destiny has no beeper; destiny always leans trenchcoated out of an alley with some sort of 'psst' that you usually can't even hear because you're in such a rush to or from something important you've tried to engineer. ”
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Re: Genetic Diversity and the taste of mushrooms [Re: jesuisravi]
    #21942895 - 07/14/15 04:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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for·mi·da·ble
ˈfôrmədəb(ə)l,fərˈmidəb(ə)l/
adjective
adjective: formidable

    inspiring fear or respect through being impressively large, powerful, intense, or capable.




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Re: Genetic Diversity and the taste of mushrooms [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #21943224 - 07/14/15 06:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Are these dealer shrooms? :lol:


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Re: Genetic Diversity and the taste of mushrooms [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21943898 - 07/14/15 08:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

No. I don't buy into 'dealer shrooms'. I think that if you know how to grow them, 'you know how to grow them.'


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Re: Genetic Diversity and the taste of mushrooms [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #21943983 - 07/14/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I know I was just kidding since all these other people are saying dealer shrooms are more potent than ones anyone else could grow which is complete bs. Just isolate your best fruits


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Re: Genetic Diversity and the taste of mushrooms [Re: jesuisravi]
    #21944021 - 07/14/15 09:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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jesuisravi said:
the ability to taste PROP and PTC



I can taste both of these (took a cool little test thing a while back), and mushrooms taste fine to me. Not good, not bad, just okay. It's a very distinctive taste though. I imagine that not all people like the taste, and that's fine. It's not a taste that I would eat as a food product.

There's nothing wrong with you if you don't like the taste, but try not to get all superior about it and claim that you have "supertaste." The fact is that you just don't like the taste, and that's fine. No need to get all high and mighty about it.


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Re: Genetic Diversity and the taste of mushrooms [Re: nooneman]
    #21944068 - 07/14/15 09:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I like the taste- but have only had dried shrooms. I'm not sure what fresh ones would taste like.

To me, it tastes almost like seasoned chicken--a strong umami flavor. I don't understand why I have never heard anyone else interpret the taste this way; but that is exactly how they taste to me.


I don't think differences in reported taste is necessarily due to genetic-based differences in taste. I think a lot of it may be psychological. Some people may be disgusted by the texture or revolted by the idea that they are eating a fungus.


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Re: Genetic Diversity and the taste of mushrooms [Re: jesuisravi]
    #21944138 - 07/14/15 09:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I don't taste anything because I just cut them into small pieces, squish them into pills/balls and wash them down with cordial :P

I can eat 80g fresh without so much as gagging this way.


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Re: Genetic Diversity and the taste of mushrooms [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #21944173 - 07/14/15 09:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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4HO-DMT said:
No. I don't buy into 'dealer shrooms'. I think that if you know how to grow them, 'you know how to grow them.'




I may have grown some dealer grade myself.
I literally almost went to jail today. Tested ONE SINGLE mushroom of a clone cluster candidate and had to to do a hell of a lot of fast talking to a Chicago cop to not get roughed up.

Been doing this for 25 years+ and over 7 hours later it is with extreme difficulty that I type this warning.

OH MY FUCK. NO MAOI. NO TEA. NOTHING. OFF THE DAMN CAKE RAW.

*I lied. Used Heptane and Citric/Ascorbic acid....but the specimen was fresh haha


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